What's going on with Epik and Rob Monster?

[MapleDots]

I'm catching the tail end of this, seems to be some kind of controversy...

https://domaingang.com/domain-news/rob-monster-off-twitter-after-christchurch-massacre-controversy/

Must be something odd to evoke this type of a response from one of our members.

 

[DaveX]

@Rob Monster

I hope we can be friends even though my intellect far surpasses your childish and ignorant psycho babble. I do like you, even though I believe that you are truly only worthy of serving me and those like me. Although you are unable to form thoughts and make decisions that are logical, I believe you should be allowed to exist. If for any reason, because I believe even the lowest forms of life deserve to exist.

Now, please be neutral about my assertions. I could be right. I could be wrong. I suppose you will have no opinion.

I hope you know that I am a Christian and I don't mean to offend you. I hope that, based on your statements, you will truly understand that I could be right.

And by the way, I am a completely civil and loving person. Just because I might view you as a weak mind, doesn't mean I think you are a bad person. Just means I believe you exist with no real purpose and that you unnecessary.

And by the way, I know you support me, and by extension, my statements above. Right?

 

[DaveX]

An impressively articulated voice of reason. Since I cannot give you 5000 Likes, I extend my blessings to you and yours. May your voice never be forgotten in this industry and beyond.

And as you said, I extend my blessings to you and yours.

 

[mr-x]

I never fail to point out the truth. Christian Europe invaded the muslim world on its "crusades".

When I hear someone talk about the crusades, I like to point out the truth: Islam was spread by war and conquest. People have been fighting over the same ground in the middle east and north Africa for thousands of years.
https://www.thoughtco.com/before-of-the-crusades-350-1095-4070870

 

[frank-germany]

@Rob Monster

I hope we can be friends even though my intellect far surpasses your childish and ignorant psycho babble. I do like you, even though I believe that you are truly only worthy of serving me and those like me. Although you are unable to form thoughts and make decisions that are logical, I believe you should be allowed to exist. If for any reason, because I believe even the lowest forms of life deserve to exist.

Now, please be neutral about my assertions. I could be right. I could be wrong. I suppose you will have no opinion.

I hope you know that I am a Christian and I don't mean to offend you. I hope that, based on your statements, you will truly understand that I could be right.

And by the way, I am a completely civil and loving person. Just because I might view you as a weak mind, doesn't mean I think you are a bad person. Just means I believe you exist with no real purpose and that you unnecessary.

And by the way, I know you support me, and by extension, my statements above. Right?

wow

 

[Rob Monster]

Thank you for the compliment,

I admire your strong belief in your faith and I know that you have people of different race, religion, and gender working at your company that you get along with fine at a professional level, I like to know if I were a black pastor would I be welcomed in your home not for business, but for doing worship and bible study.

Yes, of course.

Last weekend, my wife and I housed a gay couple at our home for the long weekend. The one is a long-time friend of my wife -- they worked together right out of college and stayed friends through the years. He one is Mexican. His new husband is Spanish. I hugged them both, welcomed them into our home, showed them the city and organized a dinner with our 5 kids for the occasion of our youngest daughter's birthday. I even dressed like a hipster that weekend though it is not my go-to style, frankly. You get the idea. As you likely know, there are fundamentalist Christians that would cite Bible verses saying one should not have such fellowship, to which I say, nonsense. After all, Jesus Christ hung out with all types.

On the other hand, my neighbor is black, and married to a white woman. Since the Gab incident, he no longer talks to me. I still wave to him, greet him with a smile. His kids play in our back yard. We are still friends on Facebook but he thinks I have something against him because some liberal media told him that I am this, that and the other. As he whizzed by me this morning while out walking the dogs, I prayed for him. All will be revealed in eternity, and he will know that I did not love him any less and I regret that standing for free speech caused him to doubt my intentions. All the kids in the neighborhood know I am the same "Mr. Monster" who welcomes all.

Anyone who knows me, knows the truth. The media propaganda that is being fomented by the SPLC that portrays me as being hateful is a lie, and they fully know it. Unfortunately for them, they can't unperson me fast enough and more people will wake up as a result.

 

[frank-germany]

Last weekend, my wife and I housed a gay couple at our home for the long weekend. The one is a long-time friend of my wife -- they worked together right out of college and stayed friends through the years. He one is Mexican. His new husband is Spanish. I hugged them both, welcomed them into our home, showed them the city and organized a dinner with our 5 kids for the occasion of our youngest daughter's birthday. I even dressed like a hipster that weekend though it is not my go-to style, frankly. You get the idea

yes I get the idea

After all, Jesus Christ hung out with all types.

what could he do?
he was a jew

 

[DaveX]

he thinks I have something against him because some liberal media told him that I am this, that and the other.

You are incorrect in your theory. I believe you, Rob Monster, have taken a position based on extremist media. I believe your neighbor is far more wise than you.

You dismiss your neighbors intellect instead of understanding his history, and the reasons behind his distaste for your choices. Again, naive and short-sighted.

 

[mr-x]

In the USA, free speech is our first, natural right granted by our creator. The Government doesn't grant rights. Our Bill of Rights and Constitution are restraints on our Government, outlining what it CAN'T do.

After living under a monarchy, our founders considered free speech the most important natural right and listed it first. In the USA, you can mock our political leaders, burn our flag, refuse to pledge allegiance and use bad words.

Rob and I are of the same era when schools taught freedom required tolerance of bad ideas. Our highest courts have confirmed, the #1st Amendment doesn't just protect popular speech.

I'm not agreeing with everything or disagreeing with everything Rob has said, Please consider our culture, we were raised believing free speech, freedom of expression is our most import natural right.

Epik is upholding that tradition.

 

[DaveX]

In the USA, free speech is our first, natural right granted by our creator. The Government doesn't grant rights. Our Bill of Rights and Constitution are restraints on our Government, outlining what it CAN'T do.

After living under a monarchy, our founders considered free speech the most important natural right and listed it first. In the USA, you can mock our political leaders, burn our flag, refuse to pledge allegiance and use bad words.

Rob and I are of the same era when schools taught freedom required tolerance of bad ideas. Our highest courts have confirmed, the #1st Amendment doesn't just protect popular speech.

I'm not agreeing with everything or disagreeing with everything Rob has said, Please consider our culture, we were raised believing free speech, freedom of expression is our most import natural right.

Epik is upholding that tradition.

Fast forward to today. Technology has brought with it issues that our forefathers could not have imagined. I support free speech as long as it doesn't impede another persons pursuit of happiness. If something spoken by one person damages another person, it should not and does not fall under the protection of free speech.

 

[mr-x]

Fast forward to today. Technology has brought with it issues that our forefathers could not have imagined. I support free speech as long as it doesn't impede another persons pursuit of happiness. If something spoken by one person damages another person, it should not and does not fall under the protection of free speech.

I respect that. Slander, incitement to violence are not protected. Tolerance and offense are both part of living with other people, regardless of technology.

Nothing wrong with your opinion or obeying your conscience and not using Epik's services.

 

[DaveX]

I respect that. Slander, incitement to violence are not protected. Tolerance and offense are both part of living with other people, regardless of technology.

Nothing wrong with your opinion or obeying your conscience and not using Epik's services.

I don't have any problem with Rob Monster or Epik. However, based on my words you might think so. Funny how that works.

I do think Rob is hugely flawed. I do think Rob is naive. But I mean no disrespect. Just speaking my mind.

 

[Mister Funsky]

All this talk about free speech and who it hurts/offends/angers. Either speech is free or it is not.

Perhaps the united nations or some similar group will step up and define what free speech means on a global basis...they can have a list of what/where/when we can say something.

Then all this time discussing free speech can be used for productive things once it has defined, regulated and policed.

It would even expedite things if/when technology gets to the point where it can determined before we speak if we are going to say something wrong and prevent our mouths from forming and saying the words...what a burden from our minds to have that done for us.

Oh, yes...what about false speech? What about offensive speech (such as telling someone they exist with no real purpose)? Those should be regulated as well.

 

[DaveX]

All this talk about free speech and who it hurts/offends/angers. Either speech is free or it is not.

Perhaps the united nations or some similar group will step up and define what free speech means on a global basis...they can have a list of what/where/when we can say something.

Then all this time discussing free speech can be used for productive things once it has defined, regulated and policed.

It would even expedite things if/when technology gets to the point where it can determined before we speak if we are going to say something wrong and prevent our mouths from forming and saying the words...what a burden from our minds to have that done for us.

Oh, yes...what about false speech? What about offensive speech (such as telling someone they exist with no real purpose)? Those should be regulated as well.

The challenge is the subjective nature of the issue.

 

[Mister Funsky]

The challenge is the subjective nature of the issue

Exactly.

 

[Kate]

Please give me a break with free speech. It's pretty weak to hide behind free speech or God to push conspiracy theories or a far-right agenda.
At least take responsibility for your opinions but don't pretend you are fighting for free speech. It's two different things.
I'm saying this in general, not aiming one person in particular.

Besides, free speech does not make fringe ideas more acceptable. Free speech is simply meant to protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority, and leave room for critical thinking that goes the mainstream, because society cannot progress without opposing views. It does not mean all opinions are equally valid. Is racism acceptable ?

 

[DaveX]

I suppose @Rob Monster has determined he is "Taking A Beating" instead of having an educated exchange. Hence the sudden silence perhaps.

 

[Rob Monster]

I suppose @Rob Monster has determined he is "Taking A Beating" instead of having an educated exchange. Hence the sudden silence perhaps.

Actually, not quite that -- still have 232 unread emails since last night and a bunch of conference calls. I have a day job, but will catch up in due course now that Europe is finishing their day.

For anyone in Rust, Germany for CloudFest, look out for Nick Lim, CTO. He is impressing a lot of folks there with demos of BitMitigate. It is an amazing product and possibly the smart acquisition I ever did.

 

[frank-germany]

Actually, not quite that -- still have 232 unread emails since last night and a bunch of conference calls. I have a day job, but will catch up in due course now that Europe is finishing their day.

For anyone in Rust, Germany for CloudFest, look out for Nick Lim, CTO. He is impressing a lot of folks there with demos of BitMitigate. It is an amazing product and possibly the smart acquisition I ever did.

well adviced @Rob Monster to use this thread as promotion area

 

[TheBaldOne]

Is racism acceptable ?

Do you mean 'is discussion about racism acceptable?' or do you mean as you typed 'is racism acceptable ?' ?

There is a major difference between the two possible questions above. Without the first then we would not be able to debate and question the subject so as to evaluate the second. Without the first we enter into the Orwellian world of '1984' where we are dictated to by those in power who decide what we may or may not think.

 

[Rob Monster]

well adviced @Rob Monster to use this thread as promotion area

When God serves you lemons, make lemonade.

In the USA, free speech is our first, natural right granted by our creator. The Government doesn't grant rights. Our Bill of Rights and Constitution are restraints on our Government, outlining what it CAN'T do.

After living under a monarchy, our founders considered free speech the most important natural right and listed it first. In the USA, you can mock our political leaders, burn our flag, refuse to pledge allegiance and use bad words.

Rob and I are of the same era when schools taught freedom required tolerance of bad ideas. Our highest courts have confirmed, the #1st Amendment doesn't just protect popular speech.

I'm not agreeing with everything or disagreeing with everything Rob has said, Please consider our culture, we were raised believing free speech, freedom of expression is our most import natural right.

Epik is upholding that tradition.