What's going on with Epik and Rob Monster?

[MapleDots]

I'm catching the tail end of this, seems to be some kind of controversy...

https://domaingang.com/domain-news/rob-monster-off-twitter-after-christchurch-massacre-controversy/

Must be something odd to evoke this type of a response from one of our members.

 

[DN Playbook]

Deleting account, much better than seeing an Account Suspended message. I read Twitter were suspending accounts that were passing it along.

My question is what was it about the account that justified deleting it in the first place. Most people would just delete the few offending tweets and that's it. Unless the account was filled with condemning tweets and it would take too long to delete them one by one.

 

[Rob Monster]

@Rob Monster. You have made it clear about the unborn. But your posts in connection with the NZ Killer and insistence that it is right because it is "free speech" begs the debate whether you find ALL lives precious. In fact, your anonymize platform still has the video live for all to "analyze".

I gave the order this morning to retire that IPFS gateway. We support IPFS as a censorship-resistant file format but it does not belong on Anonymize. When that gateway comes down, those links will stop working.

 

[Rob Monster]

Deleting account, much better than seeing an Account Suspended message. I read Twitter were suspending accounts that were passing it along.

Networking events - marketing, networking. That's the point. Sometimes all it takes is a chat and a hat.

Not sure why people keep saying it was 1 thing. I guess people don't read.

"The thing is that even if you don't believe in God, most Americans do"

Same site:
https://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/belief-in-god/

That has been dropping over the years. From 71% to 63% from 2007 to 2014. We have more information today, so that's expected.

It is not knowledge, it is apostasy, and it was all prophesied nearly 2,000 years ago:

Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth? - Luke 18:8

For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. - 2 Timothy 3:3-5

However, you are certainly right, JB, America is following the European example and becoming more Godless. I think has less to do with information and more to do with propaganda and distraction. After all it is pretty hard for someone to be thinking about God after a porn session.

Nevertheless, you can be fully assured that a faithful remnant will remain. Lord-willing, I will be one of them and hopefully you can accept that and we can just go back to the business side of domaining as I think many here have now made their positions clear on the matter.

 

[DN Playbook]

I gave the order this morning to retire that IPFS gateway. We support IPFS as a censorship-resistant file format but it does not belong on Anonymize. When that gateway comes down, those links will stop working.

@Rob Monster. Thanks for that detail. Now, could you please answer this question below? You rose it and it deserves an answer.

@Rob Monster You wrote in the Twitter post linking to the killer's video, "maybe discerning eyes will dicypher the use of symbols and runes".

Can you enlighten us as to what those symbols and runes mean?

Was this anywhere expounded upon?

 

[carob]

@Rob MonsterIn fact, your anonymize platform still has the video live for all to "analyze".

In France Facebook and Youtube are being sued for showing that video.
https://www.lemonde.fr/pixels/artic...ntre-facebook-et-youtube_5440972_4408996.html

In the UK there is a criminal offence of "glorifying terrorism." It is not well defined so it could be applied very broadly.

I noticed in some of the Gab stuff that Epik was providing services of some kind to a Tommy Robinson, in the UK - who has been convicted of several criminal offences and promotes hate speech credited with causing attacks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Robinson_(activist).

Solicitors representing the victim are pursuing legal action against the social media firm on the basis Facebook was responsible for Robinson's posts as it had given him "special treatment [that] seems to be financially driven".[84] However, on 26 February 2019, Facebook announced that it had banned Robinson from the service for violating Facebook community standards and "posting material that uses dehumanizing language and calls for violence targeted at Muslims." They also cited violations of policies concerning "organized hate"

Tommy Robinson is a pseudonym, the real name is Julian Yaxley-Lennon. Perhaps he chose his pseudonym as a homage to gay rights activist Tom Robinson:

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[Rob Monster]

@Rob Monster. Thanks for that detail. Now, could you please answer this question below? You rose it and it deserves an answer.

Tom - I was not ignoring that request and was prepared to come back to it if folks were determined to go down that rabbit hole. We can do this in one of two ways:

1. I can simply say that I was inviting a CSI-style review of the crime scene to figure out what this guy was about. That is actually the truth and was the extent of my forensic work into the matter.

2. I can go investigate what others have said and report back to the group. However, if I do that, it will take a bit longer and will includes links and images that some might find objectionable.

Let me know.

 

[DN Playbook]

Tom - I was not ignoring that request and was prepared to come back to it if folks were determined to go down that rabbit hole. We can do this in one of two ways:

1. I can simply say that I was inviting a CSI-style review of the crime scene to figure out what this guy was about. That is actually the truth and was the extent of my forensic work into the matter.

2. I can go investigate what others have said and report back to the group. However, if I do that, it will take a bit longer and will includes links and images that some might find objectionable.

Let me know.

@Rob Monster

I would like to know what you think. Obviously the symbols and runes caught your attention. I don't think you would have asked people to discern what they mean unless you already had an idea.

 

[carob]

Here it is just 18 days ago, Epik proudly saying they are providing services to convicted criminal and hatemonger Tommy Robinson:

https://gab.com/epik

"Promoting lawful free speech" ?

No.

In May 2018, Robinson was sentenced to 13 months' imprisonment for contempt of court after publishing a Facebook Live video of defendants entering a law court, contravening a court order that disallows reporting on such trials while proceedings are ongoing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Robinson_(activist)

 

[Rob Monster]

In France Facebook and Youtube are being sued for showing that video.
https://www.lemonde.fr/pixels/artic...ntre-facebook-et-youtube_5440972_4408996.html

In the UK there is a criminal offence of "glorifying terrorism." It is not well defined so it could be applied very broadly.

I noticed in some of the Gab stuff that Epik was providing services of some kind to a Tommy Robinson, in the UK - who has been convicted of several criminal offences and promotes hate speech credited with causing attacks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Robinson_(activist).



Tommy Robinson is a pseudonym, the real name is Julian Yaxley-Lennon. Perhaps he chose his pseudonym as a homage to gay rights activist Tom Robinson:

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We are not hosting any of that content. There were 2 IPFS files put out there but I am not sure who posted them. At one point I linked to them. Those links are gone now and shortly our Anonymize IPFS gateway will be down.

As for Tommy Robinson, I have spoken to him on the phone once. I am not sure he is really enjoying his celebrity. Yes, we are his registrar. That much is true. If he goes to prison, I doubt he will be on YouTube.

Are you planning to condemn YouTube for posting his videos? He still has a channel there:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6wdP5hTf_phre6Q3kFiV2g

His Panodrama has a lot of views. I have not watched it personally. Hopefully justice is served in his case. When I talked to him, he seemed overwhelmed but did not seem like a violent guy.

I contrast that with Chris Cantwell, who I also spoke with and has since been removed by Gab. That guy was overly-caffeinated or something. As much as I believe anyone is redeemable, Chris did disappoint me.

On the session that I had with Striker, the original was taken down but someone made a backup, that was supposed to be a one-on-one visit. They turned it into a livestream. I had no idea. I promoted non-violence.

 

[Rob Monster]

@Rob Monster

I would like to know what you think. Obviously the symbols and runes caught your attention. I don't think you would have asked people to discern what they mean unless you already had an idea.

No, I really don't know. Since there was a crazy amount of symbols on his weapons, I thought they might be a clue. There are folks that are theorizing that the issue was not the CGI but multiple shooters.

Example:

https://video.watchmask.com/vid/watchmask/thecrowhouse__TSum0TG75M/video.html

I am personally done with the Christchurch rabbit hole. If you want to go down it, you are on your own.

 

[DN Playbook]

No, I really don't know. Since there was a crazy amount of symbols on his weapons, I thought they might be a clue. There are folks that are theorizing that the issue was not the CGI but multiple shooters.

Example:

https://video.watchmask.com/vid/watchmask/thecrowhouse__TSum0TG75M/video.html

I am personally done with the Christchurch rabbit hole. If you want to go down it, you are on your own.

@Rob Monster

You took us down along with you in this rabbit hole. So now it is important to bring everything into the light:

John 3:19 New International Version (NIV)
19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.

It is troubling that you are hosting so many conspiracy theory videos on your platform, watchmask.com, that claim to be spreading the truth, yet are forcing their own narratives upon the viewers.

 

[DN Playbook]

No, I really don't know. Since there was a crazy amount of symbols on his weapons, I thought they might be a clue.

@Rob Monster

So aren't you curious? Didn't you take the time to find out since you pointed them out?

 

[TheBaldOne]

I, for one, who have kept quiet on this subject, am satisfied that Rob Monster has acted now appropriately and been forthright and open in answering justified points raised concerning his posts and business. It is perhaps surely now that we should all take a step back and actually think whether carrying on debating this is actually doing more harm than good and giving oxygen to the horrific atrocity of the murders that took place, and by doing so, in some perverse way, glorifying it in some peoples unbalanced minds.

Finally, might I point out that by trying to incorporate the likes of Tommy Robinson (Julian Yaxley-Lennon) is smacking on censorship of those disliked by some, especially as the case in question has been ordered to be heard again as the original findings of the lower court that found him guilty and sentenced him have been found to be in error in law. I say this as someone who thinks that his actions are unwarranted and I personally find his political arguments simplified to the point of being ridiculous - but in the UK we like to try and uphold the belief that a person is innocent until being proved guilty in a court of law. Might I point out that in the UK, the Government has NOT proscribed the organisation that person belongs to - so why is it for others to suggest that Epik should do what the UK Government has not?

Further our laws in the UK are becoming so ridiculous in themselves that now a person can be arrested and appear in court for saying something that 'MIGHT' offend someone, putting it politely it is 'Political Correctness' gone haywire.

 

[frank-germany]

No, I really don't know. Since there was a crazy amount of symbols on his weapons, I thought they might be a clue. There are folks that are theorizing that the issue was not the CGI but multiple shooters.

Example:

https://video.watchmask.com/vid/watchmask/thecrowhouse__TSum0TG75M/video.html

I am personally done with the Christchurch rabbit hole. If you want to go down it, you are on your own.

I can see no runes on the weapon
just normal text

https://www.9news.com.au/2019/03/22...tack-facebook-youtube-social-media-extremists


these are runes:
https://www.google.com/search?q=run...wKHdytBCQQ_B0wGXoECA0QBg#imgrc=WfNDykVchyjZTM:

 

[NameLlama]

Epik: Let's get friendly with Neo Nazis on Gab
Epik Board: One Jewish member has stepped down

Epik Twitter: OMG JEWS ARE CONTROLLING THE MEDIA, LOOK AT THIS 4CHAN GRAPHIC

Monster Twitter: OMG SHOOTING VIDEO LOOKS FAKE
Namepros: Why would you post a shooter's video in twitter and say it looks fake? It was live-streamed.
Monster Namepros: CHECK OUT THIS VIDEO FROM INFOWARS.... MAYBE IT WASN'T CGI..MAYBE THERE WERE MULTIPLE SHOOTERS

 

[DN Playbook]

I can see no runes on the weapon
just normal text

https://www.9news.com.au/2019/03/22...tack-facebook-youtube-social-media-extremists


these are runes:
https://www.google.com/search?q=runes&newwindow=1&rlz=1C1XBRQ_enDE779DE779&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=WfNDykVchyjZTM%3A%2CHjhdbiqOSjci7M%2C%2Fm%2F03f1hs&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kTIvSIS-otE0l_nqJfYhbeUdM0yVg&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjK0O7kkJ7hAhUICewKHdytBCQQ_B0wGXoECA0QBg#imgrc=WfNDykVchyjZTM:

I believe that @Rob Monster did see runes, along with symbols. He's got an amazing eye. I just wish he came right out and say what they mean. Instead of teasing us.

 

[Rob Monster]

There comes a point when interrogatory becomes defamatory witch-hunt:

https://www.dnplaybook.com/from-a-s...litator-of-hate-and-promoter-of-conspiracies/

An objective observer at NamePros might be wondering if you are skating close to the edge there and want to prevent self-harm.

As it is, you have already corrected yourself at least once:

That said, I am happy to give you a call to answer all your questions on or off the record. Feel free to reach out anytime.

 

[DN Playbook]

Perhaps someone is telling you something....

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There comes a point when interrogatory becomes defamatory witch-hunt:

https://www.dnplaybook.com/from-a-s...litator-of-hate-and-promoter-of-conspiracies/

An objective observer at NamePros might be wondering if you are skating close to the edge there and want to prevent self-harm.

As it is, you have already corrected yourself at least once:

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That said, I am happy to give you a call to answer all your questions on or off the record. Feel free to reach out anytime.

The message I got was that "freedom of speech" seems to go one-way when the conversation becomes inconvenient.

And I will correct any factual error in anything I write. So please, @Rob Monster, feel free to counter with facts anything I wrote.

 

[frank-germany]

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There comes a point when interrogatory becomes defamatory witch-hunt:

https://www.dnplaybook.com/from-a-s...litator-of-hate-and-promoter-of-conspiracies/

An objective observer at NamePros might be wondering if you are skating close to the edge there and want to prevent self-harm.

As it is, you have already corrected yourself at least once:

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That said, I am happy to give you a call to answer all your questions on or off the record. Feel free to reach out anytime.

thank you for the link
I can see no problems there

just journalism
"free speech" so to say

but this time just quoting facts

 

[DN Playbook]

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There comes a point when interrogatory becomes defamatory witch-hunt:

https://www.dnplaybook.com/from-a-s...litator-of-hate-and-promoter-of-conspiracies/

An objective observer at NamePros might be wondering if you are skating close to the edge there and want to prevent self-harm.

@Rob Monster, please tell me that that is not a threat.