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What's going on with Epik and Rob Monster?

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  1. TCK

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    This is where I think we diverge. All the texts I have read indicate that in hell, the common grave, there is no consciousness at all. Verse after verse compares death to sleep, the closest example that exists. A state of unconsciousness.

    When you consider all the verses regarding everlasting life in totality, they clearly show that there are 2 resurrections. The first one to life in heaven, and the second to life on earth.

    There are also 2 judgements, that of the living and that of the resurrected ones (second resurrection).

    Why 2 judgements and 2 resurrections? Because justice demands that everyone deserves the same opportunity to take their stand on God's side. There are many millions, or even billions of people that never had a chance to learn the truth about God and Christ that have died throughout history.

    For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. (Eccl. 9:5)

    Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest. (Eccl. 9:10)

    There are plenty of posts in this thread about conspiracy theories, flat earth, dinosaurs, etc. Figured, let's take it up a few notches.
     
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  2. Mister Funsky

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    Wish I had the energy to write more and stay awake to go on but this is my take...the 3 minute breakdown:

    When the unsaved die, they sleep...aka not in the presence of God, the creator. They cease to exist...done...over...kaput...worm food. Now this is assuming, of course, they have managed to get through this life without doing something that will get their ticket punched to qualify them as evil....think of the 'top ten' rules and regs Moses brought to us. Those (other humans-family-friends) that knew them in this life will no longer know or remember them assuming they themselves are saved and make it to Heaven. The unsaved are HISTORY (the good news is their worldly possessions will pass on to others and they (those that receive some of the deceased persons material possessions) may remember them for a few years...maybe even fondly for a while (until the money runs out or the jet ski/car/house breaks down, that is).

    Now, as for the demons or demon possessed (you know who you are) the story does not have a happy ending. They are the ones that will be left to a miserable existence...call it hell, call it a lake of fire, call it anything you wish but it will be absent of happiness and hope and may or may not include a significantly tortuous existence. The bottom line is they will be removed and absent from the presence of God and the peace and grace that would include...hope, love, happiness etc will be remembered but utterly unattainable...forever (and that is a mighty long time).

    Now we have that often misunderstood thousand years...those that remain will have ample opportunity to accept what will eventually get them into Heaven, the final reward etc. as God will send emissaries to the world to help get the stragglers to 'see the light' (although satan will be bound at that time and rampant evil will be in check, it is a significant long shot being 'saved' in that period as odds are most living on the planet right now will be dead before that period starts).

    Of course...I could be wrong.
     
  3. TCK

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    @Mister Funsky, you raise a lot of good points that are also shared by many.

    Have you ever asked yourself, why are people so anxious to go to heaven?

    Is it because life on earth feels or looks like hell?

    But what was life on earth like at the start of the human family?

    What if life on earth would be without death, suffering, crying, pain, war, injustice, crime, disasters, demons, wicked people, etc.? Would you want to die and go to heaven still?
     
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  4. Rob Monster

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    That duality makes more sense to me.

    There really is such a thing as a deal with the devil -- witches, magicians, occultists, and satanists know this well as do the folks that participate in ritual abuse. The recent Jeff Epstein news is just the tip of a very large iceberg that has been around for thousands of years for the Moloch-worshippers. The expression "special place in hell" is more than an idle expression -- it actually makes sense.

    On the other hand, for the folks whose lot was to be ignorant or deceived, those folks were fighting a mighty battle against a competent foe: Satan. Similarly many folks in Islamic theocracies similarly were mostly not given a fighting chance to search the truth. However, once Satan is bound, the power structure around him will collapse very quickly providing a fairer climate for searching the truth.

    Thanks for the input @Mister Funsky. It was helpful and in line with my thinking in terms of how God might specifically deal with those openly defied Him through willful and conscious allegiance to Satan. I believe this is most clearly significant through ritual abuse of children which is precisely why that appears to be a rite of passage for securing Satanic favor. They were warned but made a terrible choice:

    But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
    - Matthew 18:6

    That sounds pretty unambiguous.
     
  5. frank-germany

    frank-germany domainer since 2001 / musician Gold Account VIP

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    I didn't either


    why don't you talk about
    what your position versus gab is

    when you are the server host
    and the domain name registrar

    so you 100% guarantee the existence
    of white racism
     
  6. frank-germany

    frank-germany domainer since 2001 / musician Gold Account VIP

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    exactly this is what should concern every domainer
     
  7. frank-germany

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    now what will happen to those
    who are send to heaven
    but find it utterly boring
    and don't want to stay there?
     
  8. frank-germany

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    1) the duality creates the problem in the first place
    the idea of duality is the creator of all problems

    think about it
    all is one
    but you can't accept it

    we versus them
    is the core of all evil
     
  9. frank-germany

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    you are confusing reality with fairytales all the time
     
  10. Mister Funsky

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    We (believers and non believers alike) can not comprehend what pure love, happiness, painlessness, joy, etc. would be like. Just like most people can not comprehend how much a million dollars (or rocks, bottles, bugs, etc.) is. Those that may understand what a million 'x' would be like probably can't comprehend a billion 'x'...much less a trillion 'x'.

    So it is impossible for our limited human minds to understand the fullness of an afterlife/nextlife that is beyond our comprehension...so to try put it on a scale where boring is point of reference would be an illogical imagining.
     
  11. Mister Funsky

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    That's alot of questions...not sure if you are actually wanting me to respond to each one (although my answers could not be definitive). But in the 4th question (death, suffering, etc.) you are essentially describing Heaven in general with a few exceptions such a pure love/companionship/joy.
     
  12. Mister Funsky

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    I fully agree that those who hurt children in this life will pay a penalty beyond comprehension, and rightly so. It is frightening how many 'good' people in positions of money and power are active in child abuse/trafficking...and Epstein is just one that finally got caught.
     
  13. Rob Monster

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    As explained earlier in this thread, in America we have Chick-Fil-A. They sell chicken sandwiches. They are very popular. There are a lot of Christians that work there, and sometimes this causes controversy. People can choose to dine there, or not. They are wildly successful because they have a good product, hire good people, and perhaps they have goodwill in their communities. There are other examples, but this one does really stand out as a notable success story that continues even in a climate where tolerance for Christian world views are being challenged by a vocal and intolerant minority.
     
  14. TCK

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    When people describe what they imagine heaven to be like, they are actually describing earth before the rebellion. Since our minds are incapable of knowing and picturing the real nature of heaven, that is the closest reference point.
     
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  15. frank-germany

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    just for the records:
    are you trying to impose
    that I have no tolerance for Christians??

    come on I know a lot of Christians
    who would never think these fairy tales
    have to been taken literally

    obviously you do so
    I 'm referring solemnly to the nonsense you, Rob post here
     
  16. TCK

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    When you think about, it makes sense. How many people died in ignorance throughout history? That were misled by demonic ideas like worshiping nature and sacrificing humans to false gods, etc.

    They will need to be taught the truth so that when the final test comes (Satan is released from prison-like state of inactivity), they can demonstrate their position based on accurate knowledge.
     
  17. Rob Monster

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    Well, I did sometimes wonder what would be going on over those 1000 years with Jesus Christ ruling and reigning from the Throne of David. I also wondered how Christ could possibly give a fair hearing to everyone in a short time at the end of 1000 years! This made no sense logically.

    Your thesis would make more sense as unregenerate/deceived man could be called up progressively, be admonished/advised, and then still as mortal man -- only this time without Satan orchestrating chaos -- have the opportunity to redeem themselves, so to speak.

    Again, I might hesitate to teach this scenario as doctrine. I will be pleasantly surprised if it turns out this way. In the spirit ot a Berean, if you happen to have scripture to back up the scenario of progressive resurrection of the unregenerate to judgement, I would be fascinated to review them myself.

    The closest that I know is this one:

    For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
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    1 Corinthians 15:22-24

    Yes, there is a sequence implied. There is also reference to "all", which I interpret as everyone. And yes, @frank-germany, like it or not, I guess that would include you too. Assuming it plays out like that, it would be a case of "better late than never" and a prayer answered after all. I find that fascinating.
     
  18. Rob Monster

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    Speaking of free speech, anyone interested in searching for truth might want to pay attention to what is revealed from this Jeff Epstein indictment. Much of the emerging facts and evidence validates that Pizzagate was as advertised.

    Remarkably, Twitter is allowing the topic to be openly discussed, e.g. here:

    https://twitter.com/3Days3Nights/status/1150149974736474112

    I am not sure how much longer that thread will be around but it has some open source discovery themes, as well as references to efforts to formally expose this nonsense. One of them is backed up here:

    https://video.watchmask.com/lmILmnnTC10/

    This particular intelligence expert estimates approximately 8 million children per year are being disappeared, including about 800,000 in the US alone.

    There are also places where kids are simply bred like animals. Some of this has been exposed, including the likes of "John of God" in Brazil.

    The more one understands the depths of the depravity that is in operation, including high up in government, media and enterprise, the more it becomes in escapable that there really is a Satan.

    There are many variations, but I concur that Satan's hierarchy looks something like this -- although this model leaves out secret societies which have played important roles over the centuries:

    upload_2019-7-14_18-59-1.png

    The all-seeing eye at the top is the Eye of Horus, the symbol of Satan. It is the same iconic eye that you see on the US one dollar bill at the top of the pyramid. You don't need to have a faith, nor do you really have to look all that hard, to come to the conclusion that much of the world is coordinated and planned.

    These are pieces of the puzzle. Just as there are kids being disappeared, there are websites that are being disappeared. Even Archive.org regularly gets censored. This is Digital Bookburning. The antidote is faster propagation. When content spreads virally, it can't be burnt fast enough, only explained away.

    The opening context of this thread was that I was called out by industry pundits for allowing censored content to be visible on the web and to refuse to cooperate with actively censoring lawful content. Although there was no economic gain from it, I believe protecting lawful speech was the right decision.

    Looking ahead, I hope registrars, registries, and ICANN will collectively be a lot more vigilant to not be bullied into censoring lawful content. It is still too common and largely because a tiny vocal group of activists, some of whom are on payrolls, harass providers to comply with takedown requests.
     
  19. frank-germany

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    I don't believe in fairytales no more
    I have grown up since I was 5 years old ( a time when I was taught all this nonsense )

    you @Rob Monster have chosen to stay at that level and dive deeper into fairytales


    that's fine it's your private affair


    but I would suggest you keep it private
    and not promote it as
    "facts"
    imply
    "if you don't follow you might burn in hell forever"


    I encounter real problems in my life
    I don't need invented ones

    I strongly suggest you stop promoting fear obsessed ideas
     
  20. Rob Monster

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    Really Frank?

    If you can't handle the truth, for whatever reason, I suggest you unfollow this particular thread where truth is being explored. The cognitive dissonance will resolve itself one way or another. Yes, evil and depravity exists on a scale that to most people's minds is incomprehensible. There is a reason it exists and it has a lot to do with that fairy tale that you are trying really hard to convince yourself and others that it does not exist.
     
  21. frank-germany

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    maybe I 'll go ahead and will ignore you again
     
  22. frank-germany

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    or maybe not

    can't have you post that BS uncommented
     
  23. Rob Monster

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    As you like.

    Evidence presented logically outweighs opinions and ad hominem. And by evidence I don't mean 2 hour talkshow videos with random talking heads spouting their opinions. :)

    In other words, you can't say "Rob, you are a delusional moron". Rather you actually have to prove that the evidence as presented is invalid.

    Otherwise, people will simply ignore you no matter how lovely a guy you might be in person -- and I actually do believe that you are almost certainly a hoot to hang out with in person!
     
  24. frank-germany

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    gotcha

    go ahead and prove that your claims have some facts
    other then other fairytale
     
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    Haven't gotten into the Bible in a long while, and this wasn't a topic I ever researched, but a couple things come to mind as thought food. Whether there's any real beef to it.... :

    Those brought back are judged from what is already written in Book of the Dead and Book of Life. (And maybe some other book/s?). See Rev 20:12-13

    Also see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Life

    By 'works', which is mentioned in both Rev verses, I'm assuming here that it's not the works mentioned in eg. Jn 6:28-29.
     

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