What's going on with Epik and Rob Monster?

[MapleDots]

I'm catching the tail end of this, seems to be some kind of controversy...

https://domaingang.com/domain-news/rob-monster-off-twitter-after-christchurch-massacre-controversy/

Must be something odd to evoke this type of a response from one of our members.

 

[Domains - Wanted]

Didn't you guys know that before the internet people with unsavory views felt so alone.. They bottled it up until it went Pop.. So many mass murders as a result of this..! Now that we have internet to allow everyone their safe space echo chamber, it is great..You know, fewer murders and stuff..No more sweeping under the rug. Because good people can always barge in and counter them with love and logic! Lol
All those people on Gab are open to love and logic and facts, didn't you know, They are all in search of truth
Just go try to defuse them, it should work
No chance that they are all there to goad each other on, feeling good because they have finally found a large number of morons like themselves. No chance that they will exponentially inflate their hate and stupidity until it..Pops.

But free speech, free speech!
That doesn't give you free reign on the internet duh
Go outside and walk around with signs about Jews and Muslims and black people if you want
Let's see the reaction to THAT..

I'm with Rob on the subject of free speech. Period. By no means have I said anything to suggest that tolerating such people, allowing them to vent, is synonymous with changing their convictions. Rob expressed such hopes, not I. Apologies for my long winded post, no wonder you have missed my point at the end:

"My point is: compared to this, marginalized right wing, or left wing extremists, foaming at their mouths are of no concern whatsoever. By all means, allow them to vent; let them push their narratives upon us; give the "Five Eyes" a better chance to invigilate them and forestall tragic incidents like the one in Christchurch."

 

[NonHipster]

Stick to domaining.

 

[Silentptnr]

I'm with Rob on the subject of free speech. Period. By no means have I said anything to suggest that tolerating such people, allowing them to vent, is synonymous with changing their convictions. Rob exppressed such hopes, not I. It was a long post and you seem to have missed my point:

My point is: compared to this, marginalized right wing, or left wing extremists, foaming at their mouths are of no concern whatsoever. By all means, allow them to vent; let them push their narratives upon us; give the "Five Eyes" a better chance to invigilate them and forestall tragic incidents like the one in Christchurch.

I support free speech but I'm not in agreement with Rob on what free speech means. To Rob, free speech can mean beating someone up. To Rob, free speech can be a lynch mob. I'm not with that.

 

[Rob Monster]

Interesting you would use the term lynch mob to characterize people that stood up for what they believed. Flawed.

Seems you see yourself as being right or being a victim of wrong doers. One or the other. Not that you could be completely wrong.

There is such a thing as a lynch mob. The Covington Catholic media debacle proved it for everyone as the lynch mob methodically walked back their tough rhetoric once evidence powered by free speech forced it.

On the other hand, today, we have Jussie Smollett being exonerated for blatant attempts to foment racial conflict. We'll likely not see much of an uproar about that news, and I am fine with that.

The point I am conveying is that there is a media agenda to create and amplify conflict and propagate divisiveness. We can choose to take that bait and, regrettably, sometimes we do.

My good friend Douglas Rushkoff, author of "Throwing Rocks at the Google Bus" does a series called "Team Human". He is also gave a TED Talk. You might enjoy it:

https://www.ted.com/talks/douglas_rushkoff_how_to_be_team_human_in_the_digital_future?language=en

I am on Team Human. I value all lives, and invite all opinions, including those I don't like. It is tolerance. It used to be a big thing in this country.

 

[Silentptnr]

There is such a thing as a lynch mob. The Covington Catholic media debacle proved it for everyone as the lynch mob methodically walked back their tough rhetoric once evidence powered by free speech forced it.

On the other hand, today, we have Jussie Smollett being exonerated for blatant attempts to foment racial conflict. We'll likely not see much of an uproar about that news, and I am fine with that.

The point I am conveying is that there is a media agenda to create and amplify conflict and propagate divisiveness. We can choose to take that bait and, regrettably, sometimes we do.

My good friend Douglas Rushkoff, author of "Throwing Rocks at the Google Bus" does a series called "Team Human". He is also gave a TED Talk. You might enjoy it:

https://www.ted.com/talks/douglas_rushkoff_how_to_be_team_human_in_the_digital_future?language=en

I am on Team Human. I value all lives, and invite all opinions, including those I don't like. It is tolerance. It used to be a big thing in this country.

Thanks for that, but I have a question.

If I come there, beat you, rape your wife, take your home, then make you my slave....how long will it take you to accept what I did and forgive me, and be happy being my slave?

 

[Silentptnr]

I am on Team Human. I value all lives, and invite all opinions, including those I don't like. It is tolerance.

What does "value all lives" mean to you? Does that mean you believe all people are equal?

 

[Bernard Wright]

Yes. Imagine I come to your home, beat you, rape your wife and daughter in front of you, then make you my slave. Sound good to you? It was very real for many people. Be sensitive to it.


They should be granted equal rights Bernard.

I'm trying to follow the logic here, but I cannot reconcile as to why I should want to open our borders to whoever wants to enter our country because some people, somewhere, have been beaten, raped, and made slaves.

I wish Rob would have had the foresight to avoid such controversy.

He does seem apt to stir things up a bit. Makes for an interesting conversation though. Thanks for engaging.

 

[Rob Monster]

Thanks for that, but I have a question.

If I come there, beat you, rape your wife, take your home, then make you my slave....how long will it take you to accept what I did and be happy being my slave?

First of all, you have to be a pretty twisted guy to come up with this question, so you have no outed yourself as both a troll and weirdo in spite of your alleged professional achievements.

Now, to answer your very odd rhetorical question, you would never get a chance because either:

1. You would wise up and heed to sound logic about why you should not do that.

OR

2. You would be on the floor awaiting arrest

OR

3. And if all else failed, you would be filled with lead.

See WA Castle Doctrine:

https://codes.findlaw.com/wa/title-9a-washington-criminal-code/wa-rev-code-9a-16-050.html

Yes, I support 1A and 2A.

And now that you have been outed as an obsessive troll with a taste for morbid fantasy, perhaps people here will stop listening to what you have to say in spite of it being free speech.

If you ask a Muslim in some other part of the world, about how things would go down with a disarmed infidel, you might get a different answer.

Perhaps you like that answer better. I gotta tell you though, most Americans are just not going to go along with that program.

Seriously though, this has all been fun, but you have to know when it is time to turn the page.

 

[Silentptnr]

First of all, you have to be a pretty twisted guy to come up with this question, so you have no outed yourself as both a troll and weirdo in spite of your alleged professional achievements.

Now, to answer your very odd rhetorical question, you would never get a chance because either:

1. You would wise up and heed to sound logic about why you should not do that.

OR

2. You would be on the floor awaiting arrest

OR

3. And if all else failed, you would be filled with lead.

See WA Castle Doctrine:

https://codes.findlaw.com/wa/title-9a-washington-criminal-code/wa-rev-code-9a-16-050.html

Yes, I support 1A and 2A.

And now that you have been outed as an obsessive troll with a taste for morbid fantasy, perhaps people here will stop listening to what you have to say in spite of it being free speech.

If you ask a Muslim in some other part of the world, about how things would go down with a disarmed infidel, you might get a different answer.

Perhaps you like that answer better. I gotta tell you though, most Americans are just not going to go along with that program.

Seriously though, this has all been fun, but you have to know when it is time to turn the page.

The problem Rob, is that what I described really happened not too long ago. You are truly in a fantasy world.

Your so-called position on free speech is self-serving and shallow. Man up. Read. People have suffered as true victims. Not like you claiming to be taking a beating or crying foul or crying lynch mob, or crying vicious attack when anyone disagrees with you. What a shame.

I'm a business man. I don't get feelings hurt and I'm sharp as a tack. Try me. I invite you to debate any time. As gentlemen of course.

Look me up on Twitter, @DebateDave

 

[Bernard Wright]

Things are getting a little antagonistic, it seems. I just want to make it clear that I am here to discuss viewpoints and rationales behind those viewpoints. I hope we can stay focused on the subject matter and refrain from name calling or accusations regarding one's character here. Going to sit out for a bit and see what comes next.

 

[Silentptnr]

Things are getting a little antagonistic, it seems. I just want to make it clear that I am here to discuss viewpoints and rationales behind those viewpoints. I hope we can stay focused on the subject matter and refrain from name calling or accusations regarding one's character here. Going to sit out for a bit and see what comes next.

Rob and I agree that anyone guilty of such crimes now, in the past, or in the future...deserves what Rob said. Too bad Rob only gets protective of his own family. Maybe he could try empathy toward those who were real victims.

I just love free speech!

 

[Grego85]

I support free speech but I'm not in agreement with Rob on what free speech means. To Rob, free speech can mean beating someone up. To Rob, free speech can be a lynch mob. I'm not with that.

I agree. Unfortunately, this thread also seems to be a lynch mob.

 

[Silentptnr]

Look. Truth be known, even though I strongly disagree with rob, if he made me money, I might hire him. I keep my personal views personal most all of the time.

 

[carob]

Accepting the domain was not necessary to prevent censorship of the site's content or maintain its continuity. So perhaps accepting the domain was about gaining business, and possibly about saving someone else from losing their investment in the domain, which had cost a lot of money. Yes that is of interest to domain investors as an investing and rights issue.

The whole investor question could do with more info - new post on that at https://www.namepros.com/threads/so...er-or-suspension.1107245/page-23#post-7168249

 

[Wali Dahot]

If you ask a Muslim in some other part of the world, about how things would go down with a disarmed infidel, you might get a different answer.

I cant understand as you are mostly arguing with your fellow christians but still you are trying to fit your Islam bashing in between like previous post about spread of Islam by swords.

"there is no compulsion in religion."
(Al Quran 02:256)
"Say, "The truth is from your Lord": Let him who will believe, and let him who will, reject (it)"
(Al Quran 18:29)
"And if your Lord had pleased, surely all those who are in the earth would have believed, all of them; will you then force men till they become believers?"
(Al Quran 10:99)
"Therefore do remind, for you are only a reminder. You are not a watcher over them;"
(Al Quran 88:21, 88:22)
"To every people have We appointed ceremonial rites (of prayer) which they observe; therefore, let them not wrangle over this matter with you, but bid them to turn to your Lord (since that is the main objective of religion). You indeed are rightly guided. But if they still dispute you in this matter, (then say,) `God best knows (the value of) what you do."
(Al Quran 22:67)
Whether they are the ones who believe, or whether they are Jews, Christians or Sabians – all who believe in Allah(God) and the Last Day, and do righteous deeds – their reward is surely secure with their Lord; they need have no fear, nor shall they grieve.
(Al-Quran 2:62)

Prophet Muhammad says;

"He who believes in God and the Last Day should honour his guest, should not harm his neighbour, should speak good or keep quiet." (Bukhari, Muslim)

"Whoever hurts a Non-Muslim citizen of a Muslim state hurts me, and he who hurts me annoys God." (Bukhari)

"He who hurts a Non-Muslim citizen of a Muslim state, I am his adversary, and I shall be his adversary on the Day of a Judgement." (Bukhari)

"Beware on the Day of Judgement; I shall myself be complainant against him who wrongs a Non-Muslim citizen of a Muslim state or lays on him a responsibility greater than he can bear or deprives him of anything that belongs to him." (Al-Mawardi)

I know you might counter with these;

Quran 8.12 "Remember thy lord has inspired the angels with the message. Give firmness to the believers and instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers. Smite them above their necks and smite the fingertips of them."

Quran 47.4 "When you encounter the unbelievers, Strike off their heads. Untill you have made a wide slaughter among them tie up the remaining captives."

Quran 9.5 "When the sacred months have passed, kill the idolaters wherever you find them."

Chapter 8 verse is about a BATTLE, - the Battle of Badr to be precise - not just some daily affair. A battle take two side to occur and battle of Badr was waged by Meccans fielding an army three times larger than that of the Muslims.

Chapter 47 verse was revealed during the first year of Hijrah when the Muslims were under *threat of extinction* by invasion from Makkah.

Chapter 9 is interesting. Islamophobes and Terrorists almost invariably quote verse 5 but leave out verse 4 and 6. Why? Because verse 4 says, "But the treaties are not dissolved with those Pagans with whom you have entered into alliance and who have you subsequently failed you in aught, nor aided anyone against you. So fulfill your engagements with them to the end of their term: for God Loves the righteous."

And verse 6 says, "If one among the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him so that he may hear the Word of God; and then escort him to where he can be secure."

I have shown the background to each verse. One cannot take a verse revealed for a battle and insist it is for the daily affairs of Muslims. And those who wish to attack Islam and terrorists who wants to misinterpret these verses to share their extremist version of Islam and hatred towards non-muslims, conveniently leave out verses before and after their quoted verse.

 

[TheBaldOne]

OK, this thread I think has gone a long way away from the original topic.

Now I may own www.JesusChri.st but that is purely a domaining and business action, I have absolutely no interest in religion personally though I do try my utmost to respect others who do hold religious beliefs. But as for discussing religions that is something I do not wish to do.

So at least for the moment I shall bow out.

 

[oldtimer]

It is my opinion that efforts to "mitigate" migration, are based on fear, elitism, and protectionist beliefs.

It’s good to know that you care about humanity, but believe it or not many migrants who leave to look for a better life or to escape tyranny and hostilities would probably prefer not to have had to left their own hometown and would have probably stayed where they were only if they could have found some way to support their families without having to fear for their lives all the time. Having to move to a new place is not an easy task, most people tend to get attached to their own hometown and find it difficult to have to leave their family and friends behind. If you took a survey from migrants who were somehow forced to leave their home, you might be surprised to find out that probably most would have preferred to been able to stayed in their original place. So perhaps the best way to help migrants is to fix the political, religious, economical, and environmental problems that they are facing at home so that they don’t have to migrate in the first place. To better understand this just ask yourself how you would feel if you were somehow forced to move to a strange land having to leave your loved ones behind and finding yourself amongst strangers with different ways of life that you had to adjust to while overcoming language and cultural barriers.

We could prevent forced migrations by expanding and supporting democracy and freedom in other parts of the World and by teaching and training underprivileged and impoverished people to become more self supportive. Fortunately there are people such as yourself all over the World who mean well and care about humanity who are actively trying to help change the World for the better so people won’t have to migrate out of force, but unfortunately they are faced with many extremist groups, tyrants, and corrupt and brutal governments which are in control in many parts of the World who see any change and progress as a danger to their own power.

The World has now come to a crossroads in many different ways, whether it’s political, religious, racial, social, or economical conflicts and hostilities that are tearing the fabric of our civilization apart or whether it’s the environmental problems that are going to make us go extinct, we have to choose whether we as the human kind want to keep the status quo or whether we are willing to make a leap and start a new era in our civilization. All our existing philosophies, doctrines, and ideologies have failed us and that's why the World is in such a mess which soon might get even worse if people don't wake up and do something about it. We have to use our own intuition, wisdom, and common sense along with advances in technology such as Artificial Intelligence to help create a better World that is based on logic, compassion, and Universal rights and values and if we are successful that will help to prevent forced migrations amongst bringing about many other good things.

IMO

 

[Mister Funsky]

But as for discussing religions that is something I do not wish to do.

Yes, I agree...if folks are interested in a religious debate, it would best to start another thread. Many of the actions of Christians and Muslims throughout history are well documented and all it takes are a few searches, clicks and an open mind to disseminate the information.

So to get back on topic as to what is going on with Rob and Epik.

To begin with, Rob as an individual has every right to share his opinion on anything and everything...whether or not it is 'correct' and/or anyone agrees with him.

Epik has the duty to keep, maintain and protect the domains it is entrusted with and to provide its customers with timely service.

It is unfortunate that the personal statements and opinions of Rob have taken time away from him and other employees of Epik, but I am sure things are being handled as usual on a daily basis.

Are the two intertwined? For me the answer would have to be yes. If it were not for Rob I would not have any domains at Epik. It is simple for me...if he were to leave so would my domains.

Do I agree with everything he has said? No. I would, however, like to have a discussion with him to hear his logic as to why he believes certain things...who knows, maybe he will give me information that will change my view...or visa versa.

I have interacted with him in the past and I believe him to be honorable, devoted and sincere. I know him to be highly intelligent and we as domainers should be grateful that he is in the domain business as there is no doubt he and Epik have had and are having an effect on pricing, etc. in the industry (just had a rep at one of the biggies say so recently when they were trying to convince me to switch domains to them).

 

[Silentptnr]

Yes, I agree...if folks are interested in a religious debate, it would best to start another thread. Many of the actions of Christians and Muslims throughout history are well documented and all it takes are a few searches, clicks and an open mind to disseminate the information.

So to get back on topic as to what is going on with Rob and Epik.

To begin with, Rob as an individual has every right to share his opinion on anything and everything...whether or not it is 'correct' and/or anyone agrees with him.

Epik has the duty to keep, maintain and protect the domains it is entrusted with and to provide its customers with timely service.

It is unfortunate that the personal statements and opinions of Rob have taken time away from him and other employees of Epik, but I am sure things are being handled as usual on a daily basis.

Are the two intertwined? For me the answer would have to be yes. If it were not for Rob I would not have any domains at Epik. It is simple for me...if he were to leave so would my domains.

Do I agree with everything he has said? No. I would, however, like to have a discussion with him to hear his logic as to why he believes certain things...who knows, maybe he will give me information that will change my view...or visa versa.

I have interacted with him in the past and I believe him to be honorable, devoted and sincere. I know him to be highly intelligent and we as domainers should be grateful that he is in the domain business as there is no doubt he and Epik have had and are having an effect on pricing, etc. in the industry (just had a rep at one of the biggies say so recently when they were trying to convince me to switch domains to them).

Epik is a decent registrar in my opinion. Nothing particularly special. But decent.

Rob seems a decent person. Certainly not a criminal or anything like that. What I have found however, is that Rob is like some people that feel entitled to express their thoughts and opinions but then either ignores or takes personally the expressions of those that disagree.

As to intelligence, well, I don't know his level of intelligence. I would like to think that truthful, truly open, respectful conversation on the matter can happen.

If we are going to talk about free speech, protecting free speech, what free speech means, how people have been attacked, and so on....then let's be open about it. Let's not get timid when subjects like slavery, racism, etc. come into the discussion.

Everyone knows these types of topics are hotbeds of debate.

I hope Rob can respect the fact that there are many brilliant individuals here at Namepros and that many folks here at NP possess equal, if not superior intelligence.

 

[Wali Dahot]

I have absolutely no interest in religion personally though I do try my utmost to respect others who do hold religious beliefs. But as for discussing religions that is something I do not wish to do.

I dont wanted to discuss religion either but had to. It will be better if Rob comes out of his self righteousness and If he believes in One religion, then he should respect other religions too. I wouldnt had any problems if he was an atheist, as an atheist paints all religions with same brush.

Yes, I agree...if folks are interested in a religious debate, it would best to start another thread. Many of the actions of Christians and Muslims throughout history are well documented and all it takes are a few searches, clicks and an open mind to disseminate the information.

I agree. If people had followed their religions properly, world would had been better place. For me King Raja Dahar of Sindh is a hero who fought against invading Arabic forces of Muhammad Bin Qasim.

So to get back on topic as to what is going on with Rob and Epik.

To begin with, Rob as an individual has every right to share his opinion on anything and everything...whether or not it is 'correct'

Like Rob everyone is entitled to his/her opinions, whether correct or not, which should also be respected.