What is the marketing price for LLLL.com / .net?

[HcDomains]

Hi,

Any ideas about the the current marketing price for LLLL.com / .net?

Thx! :bah:

 

[RegisterRants]

I would like to know as well...I have a few

 

[Dan]

I don't think there really is one, even though good LLLL's can sell for a lot. Random crappy ones really aren't worth anything. :imho:

 

[VURG]

What's a marketing price?

 

[RegisterRants]

A standard price for which a domain will sell, I assume.

 

[HcDomains]

I don't think there really is one, even though good LLLL's can sell for a lot. Random crappy ones really aren't worth anything. :imho:

Thanks

If we talk about Random crappy one with Qualified letters only, any ideas on the marketing price?

BTW, what about NNNN.com / net ?

 

[verbster]

CMAS.com just sold for $15k...Whereas something like jzqx would sell for maybe $20.

If the LLLL.com is an acronym or something, then it might sell for anywhere from $50 to $50k. If it's just garbage letters, $5 to $100 (if lucky).

Of course, if it's fish or cool or another great word, it"s retirement money.

 

[accent]

Dyyo.com estimates about 58,000 LLLL.com remained as of January 1, including thousands that at any given time are held by short-term "tasters". DYYO.com lists the available names, also. So you can buy all you want at reg fee. Granted the quality names have been gone for a long time, there are still many with not-so-bad letters. 456,976 is the total possible, so we have about 1/8 of the names still available.

Many people, including myself, believe the overhang of un-registered names depresses the market for all but the most valuable and that once all the LLLL.coms are registered there will be a fairly steep price increase. When that will be is anybody's guess. The overall economy is the controling factor in my opinion.

 

[Spade]

This is a difficult market to analyze, due to the fact that most sales are occuring below the wire (non-published). I agree that LLLL.com's are all across the board. But I also believe their is an underline pricing for pronounceable LLLL.com's or even LLLL.com's with repeating letters. I would love to see someone make a site similar to 3character.com for LLLL.coms - I wish I had the time - too many projects at once!

Justin

 

[nombre]

Many people, including myself, believe the overhang of un-registered names depresses the market for all but the most valuable and that once all the LLLL.coms are registered there will be a fairly steep price increase. When that will be is anybody's guess. The overall economy is the controling factor in my opinion.

having just spent an hour and half going over the list of LLLL.com that is left, i have to say that i think this last bunch may _never_ get registered, they are just so wierd

aside from the issue of LLL being 1/26 as numerous, they are also people's intials, we need to start naming more babies queenie and zeron and xarkle and then giving them 2 middle names and then we will make a killing on LLLL

 

[zestydomains*com]

Hello All,

I've been pondering the LLLL.com buyout, which has a lot to say about the current LLLL.com values, and I do have to imagine that it's going to one day be a reality.

This said, I don't know that it will be a very simple process at first, as a couple of factors are working against the buyout of LLLL.com domains. I'll explain briefly:

For a category buyout to occur, all remaining reg fee domains within that category have to be purchased. Everyone knows this, but when the remaining number is 58k remaining available LLLL.com names, and of those remaining the letter quality is not fantastic, it would be a great risk to the final investors to buyout the remaining supply.

The question to ponder is: What will need to be the quick return for the final buyout investors to justify buying the remaining supply of available names? By my determination, the calculated risk assessment would need to point toward a calculated bet the domains would increase by over 2x reg fee within a year of the buyout (to justify the buyout). If the names cannot command that premium in that time, renewal fees will loom large and the likelyhood would be that many first buyout buyers will let their LLLL.com's drop after one year (if they should not feel they can then get the needed return on investment).

This is exactly what occured with the first LLL.us buyout in June of 2004. It held for roughly a year, but then in June of 2005, many LLL.us owners who were not well financed let their names drop, as the wholesale market at the time could not justify the renewal costs at that time. You could hand-register LLL.us domains for several months...that is until the second buyout occured in the fall of 2005. Since then the market has been very kind to LLL.us owners. The lesson was that it took well financed investors within the sector to make the buyout hold. With 456,976 domains in the LLLL.com sector, this will require a very large number of dedicated and well finance investors to make an LLLL.com buyout hold.

Actually, all LLLL.com's were at one time bought out in 2001, but this same senario kept it from lasting...as the wholesale marketplace was not strong enough to hold the buyout and many investors then dumped their names instead of having to pay to renew.

The lessons from history as I see it are that it may not pay to be the ones who invest toward a buyout. The risk is pretty high for a 100% loss of investment unless the buyout holds. The better bet may be to allow others to do the eventual buyout, and then buy in when conditions show the buyout will hold, even if it costs more later to do so.

These are just some thoughts, and I imagine some might disagree and have a good rational for doing so. I do look forward to the one day buyout of the LLLL.com domains, and even moreso look forward to the day that buyout holds. I guess time will tell, but cautious investing is often wise investing.

PS, as for current LLLL.com valuation, reg fee appears to be the current minimum wholesale value among LLLL.com domains, but as is usually common among acronym domains, premium letters are bringing a premium wholesale price, and it's not unusual to see premium lettered LLLL.com's selling in the low to mid $xx range and on up.

Just $.02 on a fun topic...for what it's worth,
zesty

 

[RegisterRants]

having just spent an hour and half going over the list of LLLL.com that is left, i have to say that i think this last bunch may _never_ get registered, they are just so wierd

aside from the issue of LLL being 1/26 as numerous, they are also people's intials, we need to start naming more babies queenie and zeron and xarkle and then giving them 2 middle names and then we will make a killing on LLLL

Ziggy (erm...Quincy Jones?) Stardust :kickass:

 

[accent]

I have been looking at it by considering the theory that ultimately the total value of all (non-word, to simplify) LLL.coms will equal the total value of all non-word LLLL.coms. So, under this theory a LLLL.com would be valued at 1/26th of the value of a similar LLL.com, once the dust settles.

Detracting from this theory would be the ease of typing one less letter. Some have mentioned that there are more acronyms and business name initials of three letters - I have no data on that.

Compensating for that partly, is that LLL.coms have reached a price beyond the budget of many buyers, domainers and end users, so the LLLL would have a wider market.

Certainly, after any buyout there would be a period of adjustment where each ascending price level would bring out additional sellers willing to take a short term profit. That seems to be happening now with LLL.mobis - the $150 - $250 range has brought sellers to the table. How long LLLL.coms would take to reach equlibrium with LLL.coms (at whatever ratio) is an open question.

The recent sale of laon.com for $1/2 million, more than the cost of one year's buyout, shows the money is out there, but I guess those who could do it are not convinced - or they would have already done it. Thing is, as competitive as those guys seem to be, the moment one grabs them, the others will start trying to buy them from him.

1/26th of the current LLL.com value would be a very substantial profit for a buyout.

 

[Archangel]

CMAS.com just sold for $15k...Whereas something like jzqx would sell for maybe $20.

If the LLLL.com is an acronym or something, then it might sell for anywhere from $50 to $50k. If it's just garbage letters, $5 to $100 (if lucky).

Of course, if it's fish or cool or another great word, it"s retirement money.

This is the best way to say it -- same applies to .net, I think. If it can be pronounced without imagination ie something that has a grammatically accurate pronounciation/structure, then it might do well, too. I had GERB.NET but it didn't sell well. I still have VOAL.NET I'm looking to sell... it could get $10 or $10,000. It's no CMAS.COM but it's no JZQX.COM either.

 

[nombre]

This is the best way to say it -- same applies to .net, I think. If it can be pronounced without imagination ie something that has a grammatically accurate pronounciation/structure, then it might do well, too. I had GERB.NET but it didn't sell well. I still have VOAL.NET I'm looking to sell... it could get $10 or $10,000. It's no CMAS.COM but it's no JZQX.COM either.

that's a good theory and the basis for me buying a half dozen LLLL at reg fee. One of my favorite is blnq.com, since is can easily be pronounced as "blink" and, imo, is very brandable in the process, i also have zeym.com which is like though not as much

i went through the remaining LLLL list looking for vowel combinations for just the purpos of finding more of these and pickings are really slim

i think it's better to just pick up many of the LLLL for 10-15-20 that come up which are somewhat pronounceable

 

[Archangel]

that's a good theory and the basis for me buying a half dozen LLLL at reg fee. One of my favorite is blnq.com, since is can easily be pronounced as "blink" and, imo, is very brandable in the process, i also have zeym.com which is like though not as much

i went through the remaining LLLL list looking for vowel combinations for just the purpos of finding more of these and pickings are really slim

i think it's better to just pick up many of the LLLL for 10-15-20 that come up which are somewhat pronounceable

No offense but BLNQ requires imagination; it cannot be easily pronounced in the way you intend. It lacks the grammatical structure. VOAL, for example, follows grammatical structure--ppl would likely pronounce voal like coal, albeit the V/C switch. BLNQ does not look like a word at all. BLINQ would work because the I makes it look more like a real word. BLNQ just looks like 4 random letters.

Edit: I'm pointing this out to show what I meant by truly grammatically structured domains. BLNQ doesn't fall into that category

 

[nombre]

No offense but BLNQ requires imagination; it cannot be easily pronounced in the way you intend.

no offense taken, you are correct, it is not grammatically structured at all

it would need to be branded much in the way xanax was branded where an x is pronounced as a z or much in the way that radio station call letters are branded into a word or phrase

part of the branding process would be to make people think "oh yeah it's not "blink" it's blnq, they are forced to remember that it is different which reinforces it as a brand, like blo.gs or del.icou.us or like merlin mann's blog 5ives.com

imo, 20-50 years from now when every schmuck on the planet has to have a website, i think, really wierd letter combinations and especially domain hacks (i would love to have gotten grena.de as an example of a very distinctive and memorable hack that would make a great brand) are going to be huge simply because they will be the most different

but you are correct, it's not grammatical and would take a lot of work to get branded

i definitely believe that we will be seeing more really odd domain names being branded in the near future

 

[accent]

I have been wondering for a while - and perhaps this is how to find out --- There is such a focus on pronouncable LLLL.coms, to the near total disregard of letter quality, that I have been going the other way. If I see a decent pronouncable I'll get it, but I mostly buy based on the letters.

So --- How is it with LLL's??? Which would sell for more (these are made up names, not mine):
hix.com or swc.com?
juz.com or aks.com?
viy.com or asc.com?
The first is semi-pronouncable, the second has better letters. I have not run Google or Overture on these, the question I am asking is related to generalities ie: are semi-pronouncables really that much better, or is it more the current fad? I cannot imagine a business choosing the first names unless they hasppened to be their initials. Zesty, I really would like to hear what you have to say on this.

 

[Broker]

Just got Dezy.net off a drop. Plan to just hold it.

 

[tzsxc]

I have been wondering for a while - and perhaps this is how to find out --- There is such a focus on pronouncable LLLL.coms, to the near total disregard of letter quality, that I have been going the other way. If I see a decent pronouncable I'll get it, but I mostly buy based on the letters.

So --- How is it with LLL's??? Which would sell for more (these are made up names, not mine):
hix.com or swc.com?
juz.com or aks.com?
viy.com or asc.com?
The first is semi-pronouncable, the second has better letters. I have not run Google or Overture on these, the question I am asking is related to generalities ie: are semi-pronouncables really that much better, or is it more the current fad? I cannot imagine a business choosing the first names unless they hasppened to be their initials. Zesty, I really would like to hear what you have to say on this.

This is a very good strategy. To get decent readables you have to pay at least mid xxx now. To get good letter combinations, maybe low to mid xx. These will have the same probability for sales. There is such a premium placed on readables that it is harder to acquire these. My 2c.