Warning about member Moustafa !

[1john2004]

Member Moustafa was the winning bidder of my auction for the domain name loanmatic.com ($40 bid)
http://www.namepros.com/domains-for-sale-auctions/686047-loanmatic-com-since-1999-1-a.html
The domain was transfered to his godaddy account immidiately after receiving the payment.
One hour later he started paypal dispute as "the item has not been received" and his funds were deducted from my account and also he left me negative itrader (for no reason).

The Moderators have been informed and I hope they are looking into it.
Hoping this matter is satisfactorily resolved with moderator's assistance. This sort of behavior is totally unacceptable.

 

[Michelle]

moustafa please could you update this as to where it stands now.. Have you come to any agreement with John? Returned or kept the name? Stopped the paypal dispute?

 

[moustafa]

Personally I do not find anything about all this funny

I strongly suggest you communicate with John and come to a conclusion then never deal with eachother again.

moustafa you should never have started a paypal dispute *after* you had recieved the name.

Again I hope between you both you can sort this out .. either return name and payment and walk away or moustafa do what you should do and see the deal through.

I tried to solve it amicably with him but he chose the other option to END THE CONVERSATION..

Yes, i want to get the refund and return his name,, thats what i keep saying in this topic.

Here are my thoughts..

A paypal dispute should never be started to cancel a deal. The dispute is for when you are scammed. Moustafa you keep saying that John started the "paypal claim" while admitting you started the dispute. John only had one option, to respond to the dispute. Now you see it as he is escalating the dispute. He is NOT, it is the only way he can respond when you falsely claim that you did not receive the domain. You are lying to paypal and I do not trust things you say subsequently because of this.

You can not cancel the deal because you want your money back. You also started a paypal dispute which will have effect on future paypal disputes for the both of you. You are in the fault here, make no mistake.

My advice to you Moustafa is to cancel the dispute ASAP. I do not care if you do not wish to deal with John in future, but you can not run away from a closed deal like that. But if you do not, then I am clearly stacked against you Moustafa and if it was up to me you would get an infraction for bad business ethics. John might have insulted you but did nothing to deserve a paypal dispute.

I were sure that this must be your thoughts,, not strange to me.

You keep commenting with Ignorance WITHOUT knowing the real thing and attacking instead of attacking the seller.
I didn't lie to paypal, I posted a clear message in Paypal that "i want the refund and give his domain back"


Bad business ethics were shown clearly by the seller.
Who told you that i will accept an insult from anyone john or whoever?!
it may be ok for you to accept being insulted from him and complete the deal normally.
But not me.

For me, like he requested me not to join his auctions, i accepted to end the current deal at that time.

its strange that he said that late.

He could tell that while the auction was runnning.

Moustafa you should try to solve this as soon as possible before hundreds of more people have read this thread.

Because you were upset that John didn't want to deal with you in the future you din't have any right to cancel a finished transaction. John was right by refusing this.

The seller wanted to end conversations and end deals and everything he wants to do as he likes.
for that i told him to cancel the current transaction, his name (whatever the name is) will mean nothing to me while he show his rudeness.

is it not possible to screen shot / copy paste who started the claim, that would resolve the who did what bit,

from there, the mods can clear through some of the he said she said stuff and present a conclusion, seems like the right way forward,

2 sides to the story, one seems logical, the other bonkers, get the cash transfer the domain, then fill a dispute?? confused.

Here you are the message i recieved from Paypal.

"DNService has asked us to look into case #PP-001-122-xxx-xxx"

Furthermore when someone asks you not to participate to any other future auctions then it means just that, FUTURE AUCTIONS not past ones.

I could think that you misunderstood sellers words since as it seems english is not your native language but your posts show that you understood everything as they happened and decided to create a dispute just to give seller hard time.

ps: In my case Paypal decided on my favor( was the seller)

No, he sent same message in the past and asked not to join.
You need to read the topic well before making this comment.
I keep saying that he had a plenty of time to ask me to leave the bidding and i would do that.. but he didn't!

your native language is greek so you may didn't understand everything written in this topic.
My posts show that i understand everything (as you said).. so you are opposing yourself here talking about english language!

 

[Michelle]

Ok I know that John would like to finalise the transaction and I see you would rather not and return the name so unless john would accept the name returned this will go round in circles.

moustafa have you stopped the paypal dispute if not would you ? as this would go a long way in a solution to this

 

[moustafa]

Ok I know that John would like to finalise the transaction and I see you would rather not and return the name so unless john would accept the name returned this will go round in circles.

moustafa have you stopped the paypal dispute if not would you ? as this would go a long way in a solution to this

If i stop the dispute, then i will have to keep his name which i don't need.

He can refund me, i send the domain back and close the dispute.

 

[Michelle]

Why do you think you would have to keep the name if you stopped the dispute ?

Paypal need not be involved.. It would be good if you could stop the dispute as this would be a good start to a resolution.

 

[Makis.TV]

If i stop the dispute, then i will have to keep his name which i don't need.

He can refund me, i send the domain back and close the dispute.

This is not serious at all...
You dont keep his name, you bought it and now you are trying to reverse this sale using paypal dispute option.
Lets see what happens when you loose the dispute, since its his name you should give the domain back right?:lala:

ps: I m not the only one that reached this conclusion. After winning a domain in an auction you pay for it and then start the push or transfer procedure. If you don't get the domain you can start a paypal dispute, simple as that.

 

[mis_chiff]

moustafa, you are involved in many auctions/sales currently running here.

I personally would not allow you to in ANY of mine after reading this.

-and I have never had any issues with you prior - but this changes things.
I would be worried I'd say something wrong [and you would misinterpret] - and you'd start a dispute.

Do you see what you are doing to your reputation here?

over some words...AFTER a completed deal...you need to get over it and move on OMG!

 

[moustafa]

Why do you think you would have to keep the name if you stopped the dispute ?

Paypal need not be involved.. It would be good if you could stop the dispute as this would be a good start to a resolution.

because if i stop the dispute i won't have neither the funds nor the domain and then he will have both!

I need my money back and he takes then his domain back.

This is not serious at all...
You dont keep his name, you bought it and now you are trying to reverse this sale using paypal dispute option.
Lets see what happens when you loose the dispute, since its his name you should give the domain back right?:lala:

ps: I m not the only one that reached this conclusion. After winning a domain in an auction you pay for it and then start the push or transfer procedure. If you don't get the domain you can start a paypal dispute, simple as that.

You made a better comment now.
Although you made some mistakes, since its very serious what i did.
he refused to solve issues amicably.
so last thing to do was to fill a dispute.

you still don't know what will happen when i lose the dispute?

i really answered that many times in this topic, you just need to read it well again like i told you recently.

 

[Michelle]

because if i stop the dispute i won't have neither the funds nor the domain and then he will have both!

I need my money back and he takes then his domain back.



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And if he gives you the money back then you have both Someone has to make a move and as you started the dispute, I feel it would be a good jesture it is you.

 

[moustafa]

moustafa, you are involved in many auctions/sales currently running here.

I personally would not allow you to in ANY of mine after reading this.

-and I have never had any issues with you prior - but this changes things.
I would be worried I'd say something wrong [and you would misinterpret] - and you'd start a dispute.

Do you see what you are doing to your reputation here?

over some words...AFTER a completed deal...you need to get over it and move on OMG!

mis cheff,

I didn't misinterpret anything here.

Yo see that i did alot of deals and never had a problem from my side with anyone.. and always when a problem occurs - it happens due to the other party like those who scammed me and i couldn't get back my money even after reporting everything to you and other staff.

Don't worry, i never misinterpret things and will never deal with that person.. you can see that i make deals 10x of that amount sent to him and i did them smoothly on here without any problem.


Regards,
Moustafa

 

[mis_chiff]

he refused to solve issues amicably.
so last thing to do was to fill a dispute.

YOU started the initial dispute because he said some words,
what happened after that is totally irrelevant.

YOU need to stop the dispute - keep the domain - he keeps the
money and DONE! YOU bought it cause you wanted it - just cause
you changed you mind you should not be here making accusations.


YOU STARTED IT AFTER the deal was COMPLETE!!!!!
because you didn't like his words, not because you didn't get the
domain...reminds me of recess for crying out loud!

 

[Makis.TV]

I cant understand how can he(the seller) have both money and domain when u wrote you already have the domain.

I m starting to think that you find it hard to express yourself in English or else you need to think a bit more before posting.

Again:
You have the domain, you started a dispute in either case you loose the dispute or just drop it you ll still have the domain like it was supposed to be done on the first place.

ps: Am I saying bad words too?

 

[moustafa]

And if he gives you the money back then you have both Someone has to make a move and as you started the dispute, I feel it would be a good jesture it is you.

I won't have both, because i will send his domain back.

YOU started the initial dispute because he said some words,
what happened after that is totally irrelevant.

YOU need to stop the dispute - keep the domain - he keeps the
money and DONE! YOU bought it cause you wanted it - just cause
you changed you mind you should not be here making accusations.


YOU STARTED IT AFTER the deal was COMPLETE!!!!!
because you didn't like his words, not because you didn't get the
domain...reminds me of recess for crying out loud!

I didn't change my mind.
I were bidding on it just like any other domain and weren't expecting that the seller will be rude.
As i say, i don't care with what type of domain it is if the seller is rude.
I swear that if a bad seller wants to sell me a 1 letter.com domain for a few bucks, i will pass on it to someone else that accepts to deal with that kind of people.
I never cry, men don't cry.
I told you that i make lots of deals here for much more amounts and never had a problem with any seller!

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I cant understand how can he(the seller) have both money and domain when u wrote you already have the domain.

I m starting to think that you find it hard to express yourself in English or else you need to think a bit more before posting.

Again:
You have the domain, you started a dispute in either case you loose the dispute or just drop it you ll still have the domain like it was supposed to be done on the first place.

ps: Am I saying bad words too?

Under certain condition.

If i closed the dispute, he will have the money and the domain while i lose both!

its easy for me to express myself in english.

You are right, i need to think a bit before posting, but i have less time for that since i am replying many of you here and replying pms at the same time.
No, you didn't say bad words.

 

[mis_chiff]

You weren't bidding moustafa, the deal was already done
YOU had the domain HE had the money.

Maybe he was giving you a second chance - people change
maybe he though you were different..

You proved him very wrong - you should have left
it completed and never bid in his auctions again..

 

[moustafa]

You weren't bidding moustafa, the deal was already done
YOU had the domain HE had the money.

Maybe he was giving you a second chance - people change
maybe he though you were different..

You proved him very wrong - you should have left
it completed and never bid in his auctions again..

This was the second deal with him.

He refused me to join his auctions months ago..

So why didn't he ask me to leave his auction while it was running?

 

[mis_chiff]

as I said - that you didn't see

Maybe he was giving you a second chance - the deal was done.
It should have been left that way.

We can go around in circles all day long, this is pointless and
very damaging to each of you - you more so!

End it, let it go - you keep domain - he keeps money'
cancel paypal dispute and don't go in any more auctions - as requested.

Done, stop bringing up the past moustafa - this is a current deal
and it was a done deal - YOU screwed it up!

 

[HC82]

What a stupid thread. Just give him the $40 or the domain. Then stay away from each other.

 

[moustafa]

as I said - that you didn't see

Maybe he was giving you a second chance - the deal was done.
It should have been left that way.

We can go around in circles all day long, this is pointless and
very damaging to each of you - you more so!

End it, let it go - you keep domain - he keeps money'
cancel paypal dispute and don't go in any more auctions - as requested.

Done, stop bringing up the past moustafa - this is a current deal
and it was a done deal - YOU screwed it up!

miss chiff,

It wasn't a second chance.

He was doing the same thing months ago.

This time is more worse which i couldn't accept.

If he was really wishing me not to join his auctions, he could say that in the right time not after everything is done.

Don't forget that it was his choice to escalate the dispute to a claim so he is wishing to keep going with this issue.

I ask you to look in this issue fairly.

He knows a person who will accept to deal with him and can buy his name for $39.

So if he refund me, i will close the dispute and give back his domain and never make any deal with him again whatever his offer is.

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What a stupid thread. Just give him the $40 or the domain. Then stay away from each other.

yes, its a stupid thread that the seller started.
I want to give him the domain after he refund me but he is choosing the paypal claim option.

 

[Michelle]

Still trying to understand everything so please forgive me if I have this wrong but...

I was under the impression that John only asked you never to bid in future auctions after you demanded he left you positive TR and you got upset when he decided not to leading to you filing the paypal dispute..

Is this correct or have I got this wrong?

 

[promo]

I do not know what you wish to accomplish here Moustafa.. Do you really need the money so bad that your are willing to thrash the rest of your business rep here for it?

Cause that is what you are doing. So you say you post to soon without thinking.. Well think long and hard then..