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Do you think perhaps some of the .com holders are waiting too long to reap the rewards of their investment , as we start to see country codes gaining lots of ground i would be wondering if the landscape is changing if i was a .com holder that receives lots of offers that i keep turning down

will some lose out with this way of thinking ?
 
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I think ccTLD as an investment opportunity is a fad and will soon pass. Unlike .com or even the other global TLDs, ccTLDs are just too limited in their reach and scope, given that Google and the other search engines tend to view ccTLDs as regional and rank them as such. They are good for what they were created, nothing more, nothing less.

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I think ccTLD as an investment opportunity is a fad and will soon pass. Unlike .com or even the other global TLDs, ccTLDs are just too limited in their reach and scope, given that Google and the other search engines tend to view ccTLDs as regional and rank them as such. They are good for what they were created, nothing more, nothing less.

IMHO.

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In australia even when i use google/com instead of google/com/au the .com.au are always at the top , i think many business's see it as an advantage to be seen as local , you only have to look at dnjournal to see how the cctld sales have increased , also now dnjournal have the country codes above the rest of the gtld's . A fad ????
 
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In australia even when i use google/com instead of google/com/au the .com.au are always at the top , i think many business's see it as an advantage to be seen as local , you only have to look at dnjournal to see how the cctld sales have increased , also now dnjournal have the country codes above the rest of the gtld's . A fad ????

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Yep, a fad as an investment by domainers, who often reg/buy without knowing a country's culture, political makeup, and language.

Not a fad for businesses to use their ccTLDs (as developed websites) in their own countries or in countries where they have business interests. For example, Spanish domainers can make money by investing in .es domains because they know their language and the best keywords for that ccTLD.

Time after time, I have seen domainers reg the incorrect spelling of a foreign word, thus ending up with a worthless domain.

I'm NOT a ccTLD hater--I think they have their special niches--but trying to hype up ".me" as a social networking TLD is a great mistake because Google still ranks it as if it were a Montenegro site (unless you SEO the hell out of it, and what's the point? You might as well buy a second- or even third- tier .com).

Here's an example: I have Snark [dot] me, on which I have built a blog with mostly original content. You would think that for the word "snark," my site would be on page one of the search engines. Well, you'd be wrong. I don't even know on what page the darn thing ranks. On the other the hand, Snark [dot] com is a static page that has remained the same forever (and that is the owner's right), and yet his/her page ranks in the first or second page of Google. Now, why is that? I would venture a guess that Google sees .me as irrelevant from any IP except a Montenegran IP, but that .com (or any of the Global TLDs) are relevant anywhere in the world. Once I understood this, I stopped regging foreign ccTLDS. I have a few in some great keywords (which I'll keep for now), but I won't be regging/buying any more. I could reg some .us because that is my country, and I understand the culture and language, so I'm more likely to register relevant and sensible keywords. On the other hand, regging English words in .de doesn't make sense, unless that word is widely used and accepted in Germany. (In my early days, I was guilty of this practice :red: ).

evirtual1: Google is reading your Australian IP, not whether you are on Google.com or .com.au, and customizes your searches accordingly. I'm currently living in Macedonia, and although I search using Google.com, I do get a lot of .mk entries in my 1st page choices. But I also get mostly dotcom (and some other gTLDs) sites because my searches are in English, but what I DON'T get on page 1 of Google are .es, .hu, .me, .de, .tv, etc. If I start typing in Cyrillic, I'll get mostly .mk sites as choices and Cyrillic adsense.

(Interesting related sidelight: in the display ads in my Yahoo email, I am constantly being offered a Green Card, although my Yahoo is a dot com. My Macedonian IP and Yahoo do not realize that I'm an American living abroad, thus making their Green Card pitch to an uninterested audience. But I suppose it's a numbers game for advertisers.)

A lot of those ccTLD sales you are seeing in DNJournal's are probably sold domainer to domainer; about a year ago, some of the domaining gurus started hyping ccTLDs as a great investment, about the same time that ccTLD registrars started seeing profit in loosening up registration requirements--and the stampede began.

As a domainer investment, the bottom will fall out of ccTLD investments--a few domainers will get rich, but most investors will lose--at least this is how I see it.

I could be wrong and lose out on the greatest opportunity of the century. Or that Google will throw up its e-arms and concede that all TLDs are global in nature. Then I'll lose again. But I don't see that happening. Google seems to be very interested in developing niche and highly sophisticated customized searches and seems to be moving quickly in that direction.

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i haven't looked lately but for a longtime my blog worldne.ws was at the top for the keywords, unusual news , and this was for a hackname/.ws ?? , it was in front of reuters and other bigger sites , point is , if i live in england and i offer the owner of cars.com repeated offers and they decline , i would be better to buy cars.co.uk for a lot cheaper and be a better site for my country of business , i am just wondering if .com owners may oneday find they let the golden goose fly off without getting any golden eggs
 
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ccTLDs are hardly a fad by any stretch of the imagination.

Not for people who use them, nor for people who invest in them.

Bad investments without research are even in .com and its mostly domainers who make them, why point fingers at the ccTLDs?
 
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In australia even when i use google/com instead of google/com/au the .com.au are always at the top , i think many business's see it as an advantage to be seen as local , you only have to look at dnjournal to see how the cctld sales have increased , also now dnjournal have the country codes above the rest of the gtld's . A fad ????

Taking .com.au as an example the extension is dominant in Australia, every business uses it (just about) and that has always been the case. In terms of domaining though it is a very limited market.

I think Ms Domainer is right in terms of country codes being very well used but mostly the investment opportunities are limited. It is hundreds of extensions which when added up together are maybe 25-30% of the .com market. I think it is really only .co.uk and .de that has a decent market for trading domains.
 
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i guess i shouldn't mention idn.idn , i am just saying it's a changing world , this is not a 'domaining is dead thread ' .....this is a domaining is changing thread
 
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I think ccTLD as an investment opportunity is a fad and will soon pass.
They are not a fad, but you need to invest in the extensions that have a local market. In quite a few European countries the local ccTLD is dominant, well ahead of .com. If you invest in exotic extensions like .cc then good luck with that.
 
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ccTLD's are most certainly NOT a fad.
The internet is good for two things, as far as commerce goes.
Selling stuff and generating leads.

The infrastructure for selling stuff is pretty much well in place. We've been working on that for over a decade now.. The infrastructure for generating quality leads is still being built; the ultimate goal is to make the 'lead-filtration' process so refined that only the hottest and most relevant leads are piped into the lead-buying end user, who himself is ultimately trying to sell something to that person...

ccTLD's play a substantial role in this for a couple reasons. First, the qualitative; they play on whatever nationalistic 'buy-local' bend many people have. For those of us in the United States- where .com is our defacto ccTLD and a lot of otherwise smart people have largely ignored our own ccTLD- the value of ccTLD can be tough to comprehend, but for people in other countries, their ccTLD's are to their 'marketing ethos' what .com is to us here in America. In most cases, ccTLD is the most meaningful web presence they can have in their country, from a trust and credibility standpoint.

Secondly, ccTLD's arbitrate in SERPs. This means that the country code assists with filtering out dead leads coming from people in far-away places that are less likely to be spending money... For example, if I'm a Pet Groomer in Germany, I have no interest in spending a great deal of time and money to develop a site where 1/3rd of my clicks are coming from people in the US and Australia. With proper use of a ccTLD, search engines distill my leads down further and eliminate parties that are less likely to actually put money in my pocket.

As far as what MsDomainer seems to be addressing- the 'vanity' use of certain ccTLD's that spell out words, abbreviations or acronyms (.me, .tv, .fm, etc), that sort of use is something entirely different than what ccTLD's were intended for and unless google starts to recognize them as being generic, yeah, buying into the stupid hype promoted by the registrars- about how fantastic .fm is for your basement podcast- is probably a bad decision. With that said, using ccTLD's in that fashion isn't any sort of a commentary on ccTLD usage itself as much as it is a shining example of what happens when you choose the wrong tool for the job. Generally speaking, though- the trends are clear. People building eBusinesses in other countries want to use their country codes.

I think evirtual raises an interesting point; have owners of the best web-properties missed out on their chance to 'get while the getting was good' ?
The answer to that question depends on whether you think that premium .com domain names will have more or less relevance going forward. Some say they will have more relevance and command even higher prices, some say they will have less relevance and the peak is behind us. Obviously, on a 'domainer forum' sentiments are going to trend strongly towards enthusiasm (with a lot of future justifications based on rear-view mirror scenery) but yeah, I think it's possible that .com owners missed out on a great chance to sell their generics at the peak market of 06-07, presuming they were turning down ready-cash buyers offering substantial sums of money (as so many did, with the belief that "THEY WILL KEEP GOING UP!" as is an absolutely standard mindset in the midst of every historical mania...)

Anyway, I'm rambling now.

ccTLD = good

06-07 = Perhaps the best time to have sold, for quite some time, unless we're in for some totally unforeseeable global economic rebound that will, in some way, be internet based

2% of domains = category defining gold that will always have value to any business that wishes to own the best possible platform in it's industry and will pay big to obtain it, if for no reason other than the hubris of having the industry defining .com

98% of domains in general = Possibly/probably diminishing in relevance as a navigation and brand tool, in a world where search utilities and apps dominate the user experience. A lot of them were registered because of a ppc revenue model that doesn't exist anymore. People getting real with domains like this, starting to value domains based on what they can do for their larger development scheme, rather than on some delusional precept of 'hope' held so dear by 'domainers'. Emphasis drifting towards masterbrand.com/product rather than productkeywords.com

99% of "domainers" = Lose more money than they make. Don't understand that you cannot "hope" your way to profits. Own domains that are liabilities rather than assets. Wouldn't know how to asses a good domain if their lives depended on it, yet they still keep that debit card on file at godaddy and gather up little pieces of garbage @ $7.50 a clip with the 'hope' that someone out there is dumber than they are and will pay them money for it.

(god, I am the most long-winded blowhard in the history of the internet... Sorry.)
 
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I am NOT dismissing ccTLDs as being worthless, and investing in your own ccTLD and ones that you know well are NOT necessarily bad investments.

What I AM saying: investing in random ccTLDs and NOT knowing the customs, laws, and language of the country is dangerous and foolish, whether you hand reg or buy on the aftermarket. I think that kind of investing is a fad.

I certainly would not want to dismiss ccTLDs out of hand; they are obviously very useful and valuable to the end users who own and operate them. Some are more successful (.de) than others (.tc), but, nonetheless, each domainer and end user should take pride in his/her own ccTLD and support it.

But I would pose these questions: What about all those outside investors who invested in ccTLDs such as .cn? What is their ownership status? How will they be able to use their domains without running afoul of Chinese law? What is the transfer and aftermarket policy for the ccTLD? What "words" have been censored by the registrar/government?

These are things that investors ought to know and not just for .cn domains. Knowing the law of the land is extremely important when investing in any foreign commodity, for if you unknowingly run afoul of it, the ignorance defense is an extremely weak one.

Also, at any time, the ccTLD registrar could change the rules, and you could end up losing your domain investment overnight.

For these reasons, I have made a decision NOT to invest in any more ccTLDs, other than my own, and I'm just offering my opinion to a question posed by evirtual1.

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