Undeveloped.com Experience

[JudgeMind]

Has anyone used undeveloped.com to sell domains? They claim to be able to increase a domainers sales by 54%.

 

[carob]

I'm not clear about inserting a Google Analytics ID - will that show stats for all domains as visits to Undeveloped.com or will it break them out by domain? I can only see option to insert one GA ID and what domain should that ID be created for in GA?

 

[deez007]

I think undeveloped user interface is perfect. I like their landing pages as well.

The fact that they have automatic escrow and allow withdrawals in crypto makes them super duber awesome imo.

 

[LaszloSchenk]

Hi all,

Most of you domainers already know me through Undeveloped. However, for those who do not know me yet, I am the account director of Undeveloped and have the pleasure to inform you that we are expanding our topic based curated lists.

Two brand new topics have been created and will be implemented once we have established a sustainable list. The following topics will be added soon:

• Short domains
  The short curated domain list will exist out of domains containing a maximum of 4 letters. We prefer a .com extension but all extensio are welcome.
• Ultra-premium domains
  This list will contain only the most premium names within the market that will have appeal to high-end industries. A clear example of this is Whiskey.com which will be added to this list.

We are looking to grant these new topic related names more exposure as we have noticed that the curated lists have quite a positive effect in selling domain names. In case you are in the possession of such domains feel free to submit them to [email protected] for reviewal.

Have a great day!

 

[Recons.Com]

Hi Recons,

Unfortunately, I can't do that since all portfolios are different. There's no one winning strategy for all portfolios.

If you want me to review your account, send me some details and I'll check if I can spot some improvements.

Kind regards,
Reza

No, I don't need revision of mine.

And I don't need breakdown by portfolios

Just overall sellthough and by categories, types, length, extension.

 

[davidc1]

Hello,

It would be nice to know from which domain comes the lead, corporate or not.

David.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I've been on Undeveloped for a couple of weeks now. 63 domains, 400 views, zero leads, and I still don't have access to the Dashboard.

 

[UmerK]

Have closed 2 deals in 2 days, very low xxx but I think I was right about Undeveloped helping me to close more and improve my outbounds - both of these deals were through people I had sent emails to, best part was both names are still in transfer lock that too at NetworkSolutions

 

[DAN.COM]

No, I don't need revision of mine.

And I don't need breakdown by portfolios

Just overall sellthough and by categories, types, length, extension.

Got ya! I think we can create a nice infographic that contains that info. I'll make a note of this.

 

[DAN.COM]

I've been on Undeveloped for a couple of weeks now. 63 domains, 400 views, zero leads, and I still don't have access to the Dashboard.

The dashboard becomes more interesting when you start getting in leads etc. A revamp of that section is planned so the dashboard will become more interesting even if you don't have sales or leads yet.

 

[DAN.COM]

Hello,

It would be nice to know from which domain comes the lead, corporate or not.

David.

Thanks for the feedback, I've made a note of this.

I'm not clear about inserting a Google Analytics ID - will that show stats for all domains as visits to Undeveloped.com or will it break them out by domain? I can only see option to insert one GA ID and what domain should that ID be created for in GA?

Hi Carob,

Due to the complexity of setting up preferences in Google Analytics (GA), we can't offer personal support in setting up your account. But when you add the tracker code at Undeveloped, we add that tracker on all your for sale pages (including the ones hosted on Undeveloped.com) and all traffic is recorded there.

You can in your own GA account also lookup data per domain but we don't have a guide for that (yet). When we have more time on our hands we'll write a blog post about it.

Kind regards,
Reza

 

[carob]

Hi Carob,

Due to the complexity of setting up preferences in Google Analytics (GA), we can't offer personal support in setting up your account. But when you add the tracker code at Undeveloped, we add that tracker on all your for sale pages (including the ones hosted on Undeveloped.com) and all traffic is recorded there.

You can in your own GA account also lookup data per domain but we don't have a guide for that (yet). When we have more time on our hands we'll write a blog post about it.

Kind regards,
Reza

Hi I am familiar with using GA on a number of sites. My question really is, when generating the GA ID what url to input?

In GA you go:
Analytics >Admin >Creat Account
Add:
Account Name
Website Name
URL

 

[myfavorite]

My question really is, when generating the GA ID what url to input?

I believe it's www. undeveloped. com

 

[DAN.COM]

Hi I am familiar with using GA on a number of sites. My question really is, when generating the GA ID what url to input?

In GA you go:
Analytics >Admin >Creat Account
Add:
Account Name
Website Name
URL

Hi Carob,

Ah, I see. You can input there whatever you want. One of your parked names or Undeveloped.com if you prefer that.

Kind regards,
Reza

 

[wizard]

It would be good to add a option to display other currencys for some domains as having just one set with a large portfolio isn't the best..

I was told the only way is to register another account

 

[campout]

Because Undeveloped asks us to not change the contact info when we push sold names to them, a lot of owners take control of domains with the seller's contact info still on the name. And they don't change it. I regularly get e-mails from GoDaddy asking me to renew names I sold on Undeveloped in the past, or telling me that the nameserver has been changed, etc.

This may just be a GoDaddy issue, because other registrars change the owner info automatically. But I think it could be mitigated if when Undeveloped pushes the domain to the buyer at GoDaddy, they could select to change the contact info rather than once again pushing without a contact change.

Am I the only one who doesn't like getting e-mails about domains I no longer own? That I sold, and the new owner should be getting the e-mails, and may need to see them in fact.

 

[Domains - Wanted]

More of an issue for the new owner, I dare say, rather than for the seller. Just goes to show how uneducated most people are about domains, not changing contact details. The new privacy mess is a contributing factor, when you can't see the acquired domain's current (or rather, old) contact details

 

[carob]

Because Undeveloped asks us to not change the contact info when we push sold names to them, a lot of owners take control of domains with the seller's contact info still on the name.

Not really acceptable for privacy and legal reasons. For ICANN the owner of a .com is the registrant, and in any case Undeveloped should not be sharing the seller's private info in that way. When you sell on Sedo, the whois changes to Sedo, then the buyer.

More of an issue for the new owner, I dare say, rather than for the seller.

Yes it means they can't transfer it or change the registrant of a .com without your consent. But seriously if the domain is used for spam or criminal purposes, you do not want your name in the whois even if only law enforcement could see it - and it might be public. And if it gets UDRP'd your name will be published forever on the WIPO website as a losing cybersquatter.

This really needs fixing.

 

[DAN.COM]

It would be good to add a option to display other currencys for some domains as having just one set with a large portfolio isn't the best..

I was told the only way is to register another account

Hi Wizard,

This topic has come up more often. We show the local conversion rate of each buyer on your landers to automate the process so you don't have to edit currency settings for thousands of domains.

So a Chinese buyer will see automatically the RMB equivalent of the price you ask so they know exactly what the cost is. And our payment provider allows them also to pay in their local currency which is converted to your main currency.

Because Undeveloped asks us to not change the contact info when we push sold names to them, a lot of owners take control of domains with the seller's contact info still on the name. And they don't change it. I regularly get e-mails from GoDaddy asking me to renew names I sold on Undeveloped in the past, or telling me that the nameserver has been changed, etc.

This may just be a GoDaddy issue, because other registrars change the owner info automatically. But I think it could be mitigated if when Undeveloped pushes the domain to the buyer at GoDaddy, they could select to change the contact info rather than once again pushing without a contact change.

Am I the only one who doesn't like getting e-mails about domains I no longer own? That I sold, and the new owner should be getting the e-mails, and may need to see them in fact.

Hi Nat,

We change the ownership details with all registrars that don't have built-in ugly lock-ins like Godaddy. Not all buyers appreciate having to keep the domain at Godaddy so they even perform chargebacks if we'd force them to use Godaddy. And we should as an escrow party, always offer the buyer freedom of having to choose which registrar they eventually end up using to manage the domain.

We don't change the ownership details with Godaddy to avoid putting a 60-day lock on the domain.

Buyers should be respected in the entire process. If you're managing all your domains at Name.com, it's a negative surprise to all of sudden, post-transaction, to find out that you can't move the domain to your preferred registrar.

The UDRP argument isn't fully valid since there's a purchase & sale agreement. If you'd ever get hit with a UDRP for a domain that you don't own anymore, we can provide all information clearly indicating that you aren't the owner and so shouldn't be accountable.

@carob are there any known UDRP cases where the situation you mention has occured? I'd love to read into the case(s) and see how those cases were handled. I do know in the past years of operating Undeveloped, this situation has never occured.

Lastly, we very explicitly inform buyers to change the ownership details once they've moved the domain to their final managing registrar. We inform them that they can lose the domain at any time if they don't so we're pro-actively already making sure we inform buyers how important it is to change the whois details.

So to conclude, this isn't our preferred process either but it's forced on us by Godaddy's lock-in policy.

We've been very vocal for years that the industry needs better processes so domains can move easier between registrars. As long as you use a registrar that has lock-ins we can't do much about the process.

 

[carob]

So to conclude, this isn't our preferred process either but it's forced on us by Godaddy's lock-in policy.

Not really, as you have stated, it is your policy to please buyers unwilling to leave a domain at Godaddy for 60 days and for that reason you will not do a preemptive whois change.

So really you need to tell buyers upfront that 60 day delay will happen so they accept it in the ToS, and you need to educate them to the fact that they can change DNS on GD and start using the domain right away. That takes a bit of writing and maybe a bit of time, but it is just a cost of doing business. Otherwise you are just transferring risk onto sellers who may not even know it.

I can't see how you can offer escrow service without removing the seller from the Whois. ICANN define the registrant as the owner. If someone sells a domain and whois does not change, they can force the registrar to give it back no matter whose account it is in. It is in the buyer's interest for whois to change at time of sale too.

 

[carob]

Hi Carob,

Ah, I see. You can input there whatever you want. One of your parked names or Undeveloped.com if you prefer that.

Hi thanks for the info.

For anyone not aware of it, having done that and supplied GA code to Undeveloped, you can see your results in GA by going to >Behaviour >Overview >Page Title, where you see a list of titles - each page title contains the domain name so you can see which domains got views.

You can see visitor city, country, language under >Audience >Overview

You can see real time visits in GA. Looks like Undeveloped's visitor stats shown at Undeveloped update daily, or is it more frequent than that?

I wonder if Undeveloped have considered letting us input a unique GA code per domain?

Do you exclude pageviews by logged-in users?