.tv .TV's Future!

[TOXX]

Ok, let's break up the toy/vagina thread a little
(Nothing against Jimbojimbo's great catch, just thought the thread sidetracked somewhat)
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Alright, I know this is not the place to state anything negative about .tv, but imho I must agree with snoop that .tv can compete more at the .info level now, definitely not .net!
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Let's not get carried away here, .tv is a niche domain and lots of great keywords will NOT work well with .tv.
I do have some serious "investments" in .TV so I wish it all the best! ...but it will never be a "generic" extension like .net!
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[Jeff]

Agree, it's a niche / vanity extension IMHO. :gl:

See you soon,
Jeff

 

[MillersCrossing]

i agree too.

.net is way ahead of .tv - for now. However, there is no reason to say that .net will not continue its downward spiral...otherwise Snoop will not have looked to get out of the extension.

I think .tv is ,as of the last few days - in its own niche - ahead of .info and within the next three years, as long as Verisign behave themselves and dont try anything that would compromise the certainty of the ext, I think it will beat .net , IN THE .TV NICHE AREA only.

And that is the zone that the experienced domainers are buying in.....most of them anyway.....

 

[snoop]

I think there is a level on unreality creeping into the forum. The extension clearly works well for some names (karate.tv) whilst doesn't have much fit with others (vagina.tv).

The Verisign changes have created a genuine reseller market buts lets not kid ourself the extension is about to takeover the world and will be valued higher than extensions with perhaps 10 times the level of public awreness and registration levels.

 

[TOXX]

Agree, it's a niche / vanity extension IMHO. :gl:

See you soon,
Jeff

Yup, kind of like .ME, but light years ahead now
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And SOME keywords CAN sell for huge amounts if marketed properly.

 

[snoop]

i agree too.

.net is way ahead of .tv - for now. However, there is no reason to say that .net will not continue its downward spiral...otherwise Snoop will not have looked to get out of the extension.

The main reason I have sold my .net's is because of low levels of PPC revenue. It is the same reason I have sold off most other speculative names I own. I want my money somewhere that will produce a passive revenue stream not something reliant on a market improving (which is just speculation). If I owned a whole lot of good .tv's I would sell them aswell.

IN THE .TV NICHE AREA only.

4 posts in and the bar is already being lowered.

 

[freedom30]

I think there is a level on unreality creeping into the forum. The extension clearly works well for some names (karate.tv) whilst doesn't have much fit with others (vagina.tv).

Although I would tend to concur that vagina.tv may not be a proper fit for the extension per se, I would at the same time look favorably on a similar sounding name. such as Regina.tv, maybe...


By the way, if the nickname of Regina would be "reggie", would that make the nickname of vagina be "veggie"? Jest wonderin'

 

[Jeff]

And SOME keywords CAN sell for huge amounts if marketed properly.

Agree (other than the use of "huge");
In some cases, effectively marketing to End users ... along with unique and exciting developments (with promotions) are areas in which MAY may offer potential above the limitations of trading in & amongst Usual Suspect© .TV domainers, IMHO. :talk:

Best regards,
Jeff

 

[TOXX]

Agree (other than the use of "huge");
In some cases, effectively marketing to End users ... along with unique and exciting developments (with promotions) are areas in which MAY may offer potential above the limitations of trading in & amongst Usual Suspect© .TV domainers, IMHO. :talk:

Best regards,
Jeff

Well, for SOME, $22,000 like snoop got for healthcare.net can be "huge"
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But yes, properly marketed to End users, .TV can make a Top 20 weekly sales list on DNJournal easily

 

[garptrader]

Yes the SEDO / Afternic sales reports indicate far more sales of .net than .tv and of course .COM is the #1 seller. Note however that .Net sales are growing more rapidly than .COM and SEDO reports that overall domain sales have grown for four consecutive quarters since a bottom in Q4 2008. .TV wasn't even on the map at SEDO in Q4 2008. In Q4 2009 .TV sales were 2% of CCTLD sales. You have to start somewhere. In the coming weeks we'll see a Q1 2010 report. .COM will continue to be the #1 TLD for the foreseeable future. But I believe there is a bit of disgust amongst many toward the industry and the ridiculous prices the .COMers ask for their domains. That may or may not translate into a significant aftermarket for .net/.tv but I believe .net & .tv will see some benefit - if the politicians & lawyers don't destroy the industry with overreaching legislation.

 

[*AllThings.tv*]

Agree, it's a niche / vanity extension IMHO. :gl:

See you soon,
Jeff

I think there is a level on unreality creeping into the forum. The extension clearly works well for some names (karate.tv) whilst doesn't have much fit with others (vagina.tv).

The Verisign changes have created a genuine reseller market buts lets not kid ourself the extension is about to takeover the world and will be valued higher than extensions with perhaps 10 times the level of public awreness and registration levels.

Hmmm, big brains (Schilling, et al.) vs. Jeff & Snoop. I know where I am putting my money.

---------- Post added at 08:49 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:48 PM ----------

And for all those quoting history.

Past lack of performance isn't a guarantee of future lack of success. If you can't see the forest for the trees, stop pissing on the trees, back away and see what is going on in front of you.

 

[StargateCapital]

that's all healthcare.net went for???

what the

i've seen better .tv sales for less popular keyword names.

estibot values that one at 42K, not 22K.

RL

 

[SKG]

Very nice names you have Roy.

 

[StargateCapital]

back atcha skg.. thank you

RL

 

[Jeff]

But yes, properly marketed to End users, .TV can make a Top 20 weekly sales list on DNJournal easily

Touche.

All the best,
Jeff

 

[fm1234]

Posted by Jeff:

In some cases, effectively marketing to End users ...

See, to me this is the whole point of .tv (and several other TLDs) I don't understand a buy-and-hold mentality with regards to exotic TLDs. I've done well with .tv and a few other internationals that "ring" in American ears (mainly the ones that match US postal abbreviations) but I can't imagine buying one just to hold onto it in hopes of reselling it to another domainer.

Frank's free .tv end user tip: whenever you see a four-letter non-word .tv available for under a hundred bucks, do a Google search for station+[llll]. Chances are you'll see two or three potential buyers right there on page one, buyers who might well not even be aware of the existence of the .tv TLD and who will get all twitchy happy about the idea of owning the domain.


Frank

 

[RPK]

I live in the online video world and I can honestly say that we are still in the beginning stages of how video online is going to be used and how much more use their will be. Each month there are more videos being viewed online month after month for the last 5 years with no slow down in site.

I look at the investment like this. Yes I may have spent a few grand now but lets say I have 100 .tv names and my renewals are $20/year. That's $2k a year. Not a huge investment imho compared to the potential these names have.

I must have sold 20 .tv names for $2k or more in the last few years and that was mostly with premium renewals. I think the future is bright as an investment and their is some tremendous value as Jeff likes to point out every thread he can with development.

But I think it is a bit early to see names flipping for 2x or 3x in the coming months. Sure their will probably be a few nice .tv sales each week, but even if there is 3 nice sales a week over $1k that's still less than 150 names a year and there have probably been close to 10k registered in this past week alone.

 

[MillersCrossing]

4 posts in and the bar is already being lowered.

i have never said that .tv will be better than . net or ,org or .info - if there is no multimedia element to the domain....

As i stated on another thread, the acion taken by VS has not changed the .tv niche - it has clarified it.

 

[equity78]

The future is what you make it. The bottom line is extensions are providers of opportunity.

In 2002 .com offered a lot of opportunity. Let's pick one niche. LLL.com. People were able to pick them up cheaply sometimes for a couple hundred dollars and they had a steady incline for years. Now if we look to 2008, .com is still #1 no doubt. LLL.com are not providing the same opportunity in 2008 though. They topped out on a wholesale pricing level.

.TV provided opportunity in 2004 where names like LCD.tv, Videos.tv and Joy.tv for example were hand regged for non premium. The opportunity continued for a couple years and then topped out.

The other opportunity .tv provided was access to strong keywords in an extension that is universally known in all languages. Many who came to the .tv sub forum in 2005 were not .com domainers. A few were like Rhee and RL and Fin, but not many. Most of these new domainers/developers could never have gotten the keyword in .com they got in .tv. Personally I could have never afforded LCD.com or Six.com.

Now we have another opportunity, a lot of great keywords released at a discount and no more premium renewal pricing. It has brought new people into the extension. I have gotten calls and emails from people who said thank you for all the info, I can finally afford to partake. These are new people never owned .tv.

As with everything there are two sides to the coin. When there was a small group of .tvers who did their research they had a decent advantage. You could leverage the premium list, knowing most likely no one would pay $5000 or $10,000 or $100,000 per year, you could feel good owning the non premium singular or plural .tv. You could feel good owning a comparable non premium .tv. Now they are available.

From a domainer to domainer standpoint, everybody regged some so who are you selling to ? You may have a few great .tv for sale. But now a lot of people do. Before only a few people had "GREAT".tv for sale.

So now is really the time to focus on either development or finding end users. 500 .tv on BIDO will not work.

Imo the time for talking about the extension is over too. It does not matter what snoop,jeff,rhee,millers or myself etc... think about .tv. Its now time for the DO, there is nothing left to discuss except for mental masturbation. Everyone has their names, a lot more people own .tv this week than did last week. Its time to do something,anything whatever it is. The new talk should be development, marketing and monetization. Domaining is not a team sport and those who do will have a different .tv future than those sitting on a forum doing nothing else. Again IMO

Nice to see you back Roy, you got some good new .tv.

 

[benzdorf]

.Tv fits well with most any word or phrase..in the words of Stanley Kubrick > " If it can be written or thought; it can be filmed " and moving image sumZ it all up.." id say ".. even virgina..i could film virgina all day!