.tv .TV vs .Com and why we have this great oppertunity

[DomainAgency.com]

.TV vs .Com and why we have this great opportunity

With all the talk recently has been about .tv and tv.com I think sometimes people miss the boat on the true potential of .TV .TV is inherently way more valuable longterm the tv.com.

While tv.com owners need to hedge and buy .tv's I argue that longterm this time will prove to be one in which many .comers fell asleep at the wheel in terms of not hedging to protect key generic .coms and opened up the door to allowing an erosion of brand and market share.

In many cases .com owners could of and still can buy the .TV names of .com's they own that are easily 7 figures for just 500 per year and yet they do not or did not (in cases where it is too late) Sure the smart ones did but others are so arrogant and thank goodness for it.

Why bother?

Check out this list:

www.partypoker.com
www.partypoker.tv

www.brightcove.com
www.brightcover.tv


http://www.mercedes-benz.tv/
http://www.mercedes-benz.com

www.hamptonroads.com
www.hamptonroads.tv

www.mlb.com
www.mlb.tv (which is being promted as MLB.TV even though it forwards

Not to mention the numerous sites major companies are launching as .TV stand alones. I know other examples are out there of companies using both .tv and .com and forgot some so I'd appreciate it if you could add to this list.

Major Companies are already telling us that to them the .com alone is not enough. These companies are going to .TV to fill the video side of their businesses. This bodes extremely well for the owners of key generic .tv's

Look at the geo HamptonRaods.tv owned by Landmark Communications owner of The Weather Channel and CBS affiliates in Las Vegas and Nashville. They have the power to brand, they do the market research and they felt it was necessary to go with both:

HamptonRoads.com and Hamptonraods.tv

What does that tell you? They see where this is heading and were smart enough to protect their generic .com property. Others left the door open and will regret it down the road.

Once again it is the short sighted arrogance of .com owners that allowed for us to capitalize on this opportunity that was enabled by the different model .TV presents.

TECHNOLOGY HAS CAUGHT UP

People like Snoop our a godsend IMO. They have tunnel vision and are obviously threatened otherwise they would not spend so much time and effort attacking .TV They are already proved wrong if you follow where the money is flowing via major companies and have nothing more then a "domainers mentality" and do not see the big picture. Hundreds of thousands of dollars have been spent since May of this year on .TV premiums yet they choose to focus on sales reported by the DN Journal as proof .TV is not taking off. Most of the aftermarket deals have gone unreported including over 20 I have been involved in on both ends in the xxxx range with many others I am aware of that went unreported.

Dot comers I know of are flying under the radar as we speak selling .coms to buy .tv's or just adding .TV names to their portfolio. Most of the valuable info has never reached this board for obvious reasons. Direct info of many huge media companies getting involved in .tv has not reached this board for the same reasons.

Major media companies are aligning behind .TV yet they say "all the profits are being tied up by the registrar." When development costs are coming down and .TV is on the rise along with the credibility that comes with it. Once again .comers thinking small.

Old school out of touch domainers will still say LOL that .tv is a country code or talk about its history and yet nobody I introduce .TV to (if they do not already know of it) knows or cares about that. They say "Wow, they created an extension for TV on the internet." Why else would major companies like Landmark Communications use .TV if they did not realize the same thing. Media companies whose futures are on the line see this yet old schools .com domainers do not want to see it because they do not understand how this different model works and wish it would go away.

FOLLOW THE MONEY AND DEVELOPMENT NOT SALES CHARTS

The next 12-24 months will increase the publics awareness of .TV 100 fold and thats when you will start seeing sales spike in the reported aftermarket. That's why I laugh when I see posts by guys like Snoop. I love it. It makes my life easier. The moment a guy like snoop stops posting we are in trouble as we are no longer are a threat. Fortunately the die has been cast and there is no stopping .tv

Look at how the DN Journal reports .TV sales. They fail to report yearly premiums. Why? Because it is a different model and they do not no how to handle it. The truth is by not doing so IMO it is not reporting the entire picture. When they report a sale like de.tv but do not mention that the person who paid 21.5K is also paying something like 3K per year on top of that, that is a huge statement being left off and with all due respect to Ron Jackson, who is a top notch journalist, not telling the whole story (which should be his job if the data is available.) It reflects what people are willing to pay. You could argue 20K plus 3K per year is the same as a 75K sale (depending on the formula you use)

Keep in mind people, once again and this is huge. All this disconnect in the domaining world has opened up doors for us big time. We see proof the disconnect is not with the public, who embrace .TV, or the major companies, who embrace .TV, it is with old school domainers who failed to grasp this new opportunity that is already paying huge dividends if you bought key generic .TV's.

There is more evidence I wish I could unveil now, but all in due time.

 

[TheWatcher]

Thanks for sharing your assessment. I totally agree with you. As I said before, I don't argue with other fellow domainer regarding .TV success. I have some non-domainer saw .TV is a good opportunity for broadband online access in media and entertainment. I say go for it and i will continue to .TV development.

Because of .TV, now I owned a very nice domain portfolio. Better yet, I have my own internet studio in the making e.g. www.station.tv where I can mix any music video I want.

Cheers,
em

 

[DomainAgency.com]

Also forgot to mention another huge Landmark Property using both simultaneously with different content.

www.weather.com and
www.weather.tv

 

[snoop]

In many cases .com owners could of and still can buy the .TV names of .com's they own that are easily 7 figures for just 500 per year and yet they do not or did not (in cases where it is too late)

I think most of the million dollar .com names (still a limited number of names) are priced at higher than $500 in .tv. But either way who would want to have to pay $500 per year for a names like that? It is a massive mistake most of the time which I think some are now just waking up to with oil.tv type scenarios. People haven't actually bought anything of value with most of these names, that $500 is largely "paying the rent".

Sure the smart ones did but others are so arrogant and thank goodness for it.

Aah the "smart" ones, all those ".tv millionaires" who jet set around the world in business class and stretched hummers from their .tv profits?

They have tunnel vision and are obviously threatened otherwise they would not spend so much time and effort attacking .TV They are already proved wrong if you follow where the money is flowing via major companies and have nothing more then a "domainers mentality" and do not see the big picture.

If I thought .tv was a threat I would be buying .tv names. Frankly I do not like seeing people lose money, this is the second wave with .tv premiums, it is only marginally better this time around, at least the market is bigger for the names. Most of the names being purchased are still basically priced for endusers not domainers.

I think.tv is actually a good extension in my view and is usage is growing, the problem is the reg fees, they sap all the profit out of it. So I agree with your comments about major corps and those with "domainer mentality" not seeing it, because frankly there is very little money in this extension for domainers.

Dot comers I know of are flying under the radar as we speak selling .coms to buy .tv's or just adding .TV names to their portfolio.

Who are these people selling .com to buy .tv's?

 

[DomainAgency.com]

Most of the names being purchased are still basically priced for endusers not domainers.

That is my point. You are assuming I buy my .tv names as a "domainer" when me and many others do not. That line continues to blur. Development costs have come way down and in my talks with major media companies over the past few months I am getting tremendous credibility from my .TV names and offers to be strategic partners in many cases. Deals that will drive traffic and awareness. These companies are interested in .TV and take it very seriously. They do not care what the reg fee is. This model of strategic development will trump the traffic parking model long-term as it will lead to traffic and a viable business with revenue and major media companies are paving the way.

Sorry I forgot Snop you are soley a domainer who can not think outside the box and thus are limited in your scope of thought which once again proves my point.

Boy we are on a role

Who are these people selling .com to buy .tv's?

I will not reveal who the .comers are that are buying .tv for obvious reason but take my word, some names would surprise you. These people want people like Snop out there while they are in acquisition mode.

 

[WolfMother]

...in my talks with major media companies over the past few months I am getting tremendous credibility from my .TV names...

What names, and what major media companies?

 

[antonis12]

1. Two years ago, you could buy nonpremiums in particular and some mispriced premiums as a "domaineer" and I think you will do fine as an investment (several hundred % points up when you ultimately sell in 2-3 years)

2. Today doing #1 is a good deal harder because prices have gone up

3. On the other hand, if you have a development project, a $500 renewal fee is trivial.

4. One could argue that if you are buying for development, then you are an "end-user" which is a philosophical, but meaningless distraction in my mind from the question of "can you make money in .tv" (yes it is correct, but it also it means you are looking at the opportunity through a fixed frame of reference)

5. Some people are probably deceiving themselves about their ability to be "developers"

6. If you are doing a really major development, there comes a point for smaller categories (e.g. two word product category.com) that even the cost of buying the .com might be a small enough part of the project costs that you should buy that instead.

So, to summarize:

a) there was a point that you could make I think OK money by buying and flipping. (and certainly people who buy intelligently and hustle can still do that today)

b) today, I think .tv is best suited for development projects in high value areas where the .com is totally out of reach (high XX,XXX to XXX,XXX to X,XXX,XXX) but not (X,XXX). As poodleman says, the brand of greatword.tv gets you in the game with partners, etc in those areas. however, but if you are going to spend XX,XXX on development and the .com is X,XXX, then go get the .com.

c) in all cases, stupid regs are stupid regs, but that is true in any TLD

 

[smashfactory]

i like having both tv and tv.com in my portfolio- your gonna have people who want .tv, and others who want the com- you cant open a candy store and just sell three muskateers bars

i think any tv- tv.com or .tv- is going to be a highly sought after property this coming year- and when i sell a regffee tv name for 500.00, and i paid 20.00, i certainly dont see the 10.00 extra as profit sapped- people pay sedo or afternic a commission, or they have a list price and may negotiate a lower price- its all money out of pocket and part of doing business. people are struggling to reg decent coms/nets.orgs at reg fee, and they end up expiring- happens every day- there is profit sapped.

 

[snoop]

I will not reveal who the .comers are that are buying .tv for obvious reason but take my word, some names would surprise you. These people want people like Snop out there while they are in acquisition mode.

Shall I guess the "obvious reason" as to why you aren't able to name these people? These people selling .com domains to buy .tv's are are not actually domain holders of major note or significance.

You are assuming I buy my .tv names as a "domainer" when me and many others do not. That line continues to blur. Development costs have come way down and in my talks with major media companies over the past few months I am getting tremendous credibility from my .TV names and offers to be strategic partners in many cases.

Lots of people say this kind of thing on domain forums, then when you ask them how many domains they own and what they are doing with them they tell you they own tens/hundreds/thousands and almost all are park pages or made for adsense style sites.

I'd ask you for some examples of the development you suggest you are doing though I'm guessing this is another thing that "can't be disclosed" for some "obvious reason" or another.

 

[smashfactory]

Shall I guess the "obvious reason" as to why you aren't able to name these people? These people selling .com domains to buy .tv's are are not actually domain holders of major note or significance.

why in the world would you make that statement? so you see a large sale on dnjournal and it is a private sale, or the whois is private, and you assume that they are not domain holders of major note because they didnt tell snoopy who they were?

 

[Steven]

I believe in .TV for several reasons (I've written in various threads). Couple of them include the fact that big media companies are using .TV (follow the big money?), increasing number of video sites, and nice branding with .TV for a media site. I guess time will tell.
Invest in what you can afford to lose... although I'm sure it's a rudimentary concept known to and practiced by many here.

 

[snoop]

why in the world would you make that statement? so you see a large sale on dnjournal and it is a private sale, or the whois is private, and you assume that they are not domain holders of major note because they didnt tell snoopy who they were?

Because it is fairly obvious the major domain holders are not selling .com domains to buy .tv's. If it were true poodleman would be able to give examples of the .com's sold and the .tv's bought.

Secondly it would be obvious from the whois records regardless of whether they used whois privacy or not, mainly because .com domains owned by major holders are easily traced due to dns, registrar, whois details and historical records.

 

[SKG]

Snoop you are not here to support the extension nor are you here to contribute with development ideas or technology. Renewal fees really bother you, you have said that over and over. Renewal fees are relative to one's ability to purchase, whether it be for strictly investment or for development. Some people invest in fixer uppers while others in Park Avenue Penthouses, so be it. Yes, this is an open forum, but I would think "open" means to contribute not rant the same point over and over that the renewal eats up the profit since "profit" is also relative to an individual. You cannot decide for everyone what "profit" means.

Another point I want to make clear is that probably everyone on this board owns .coms as well and did before joining this forum and will after. Most people here think out of the box and I salute them for it. The cost of renewals is the cost of doing business and that cost is minimal next to the name your able to acquire. Anyways, .TV is not on trial here so there is no reason to sit here and defend why one should or should not invest either as a domainer or as a business.

 

[smashfactory]

being traced, and openly telling the world what you bought is two different things-

 

[RogueWriter]

I think most of the million dollar .com names (still a limited number of names) are priced at higher than $500 in .tv. But either way who would want to have to pay $500 per year for a names like that? It is a massive mistake most of the time which I think some are now just waking up to with oil.tv type scenarios. People haven't actually bought anything of value with most of these names, that $500 is largely "paying the rent".

One of the points that makes the .TV extension unique is that there is an added complexity involved that will take a bit of time to feel out. You have two aspects of that, which is that one, the domains cost a varying amount to renew each year, and two, we haven't really fleshed out which niches within the .tv extension will not be profitable. Sure, there are the obvious categories, but where, exactly, does the interest taper off? At what point does the cost of a premium domain outweigh the risk that the nuance of a .tv site will not outweigh that annual cost? This is the point that we are at, sticking our feet in the water to see if it is freezing cold, or just right. Making it even more challenging is that we cannot, for the most part, count on type in traffic, it is a somewhat speculative play that we can either develop or sell to an end user.

So, oil.tv sold for a loss. Well, okay, but someone DID buy it, right? So, they've picked up the annual fees? The domain goes on? Or, is it being dropped and put back on the shelf? If it is being picked up for future use, that still is not a completely bad thing, though it sucked for the seller!

Many people are going to be eating the $500 premiums, that is true, but in their defense it is somewhat difficult to judge the speed at which general acceptance/demand will occur. Perhaps they jumped early. I would suggest that, while jumping right-on-time is a great 20/20 essay, jumping early is a heck of a lot more productive than jumping late, if you can afford it. It you can't afford it, well, then there are going to be a lot of $500 premium names opening up shortly, and the guesstimation process will start all over. People guess wrong, though, all the time. What was the percentages of failed startups, again?

Most of the names being purchased are still basically priced for endusers not domainers.

By this I am guessing you mean priced=renewal fee. And, I agree that the old, tried and true domaining principles of the .com world will not work with the .tv extension without some adaptation. While tanks are a dominant force in a land battle, they make for poor aircraft. Both are valuable within their own environment. In the same manner, different extensions require different domaining strategies.

 

[DomainAgency.com]

I'd ask you for some examples of the development you suggest you are doing though I'm guessing this is another thing that "can't be disclosed" for some "obvious reason" or another.

www.mcb.tv My City Broadcasting

A complete re-design of the platform and company site is underway.

I need to run but I will return later to reveal more of the names that will be vertically tied into my network (Most .TV's some .coms)

Also if EQ will allow I can show you that MOST of my key domains are $25 reg fee names should have been premiums but got out of the system, including many valuable city names I own. I think Snop fails to realize how many of these there are.

Many deals are in the works both nationally and within certain markets but I cannot discuss those as of yet for obvious reasons.

As far as .com domainers who are buying .TV, I stand by this, I have credibility with the people who matter most on this board via either direct communication or personal dealings and Snop you are not one of these people. In fact a few of these former .comers come to this board and if they want to ID themselves it is there business.

Woof

 

[boboski]

agree 100% poodleman about the arrogance of dot commers. you would think they'd be "visionaries" but no--their minds are closed--good for us!

it's the same as the germans automakers who did'nt think that the the japanese automakers could make better performance cars.

 

[RoughCut]

...heating up.

I will try not directly point my finger at anyone, as I was taught it is typically rude and unprofessional.

...But, I must laugh, and a hard laugh it is. How foolish are some of you?

At this point, it is beyond ignorance, it is PURE STUPIDITY to continue to waste your time, energy and emotions bashing .tv...IF YOU DON'T like it-LEAVE.

IF MY MEMORY SERVES ME CORRECTLY...I never saw a sign that read, "ATTENTION DOMAINERS" Come get your .tv domains; INSTANT PROFIT-Best domain EVER!!! NOBODY EVER STATED or suggested that .tv is a type in traffic domain; YET OR is currently as valuable as .com...HOWEVER, what "is" built into the "business model" is the "OPPORTUNITY" to make money WITH STRATEGIC BUSINESS PLANS and STRATEGIC REGISTRATIONS.

Snoop, you remind me of a 15 year old boy, who KNOWS EVERYTHING...think about it. WHAT BENEFIT or "high" do you get by coming into a forum, constantly bashing and sending negative messages about a domain you "obviously" do not like, agree with nor invest in?!? Find another sandbox to play in. Count to 10...then go reg a great .com!!!

It makes you look not only naive, but more importantly immature and weak. Do you not have anything better to do? Ever...? You make it very obvious you are narrow minded and personally you provide me with every indication you are not a REAL BUSINESS MAN, you are a .com domain hobby-lobby-circus act. If you had any real sense, you wouldn't care AND it wouldn't matter if the domain was .eatrats, YOU WOULD follow the money and make STRATEGIC purchases AS investments. PERIOD. In reality, it seems you spend countless hours, critizing and kicking up dust in a negative sense, within the .tv world, every chance you get. BUSINESS IS BUSINESS...learn it. And...son, no matter what post reply you send, just try to focus in on the fact, I couldn't care less what you say-YOU have already proven to so many your true colors. I, personally am not a domainer by the way, and I would never allow you to disturb me or my plans like you have done with so many others here.

I will also 2nd the fact, I also know of large .com investors who have purchased hundreds if not thousands of .tv domain names...but do you really think these folks are going to celebrate the fact? NO. "under the radar" is the most deadly attack...because when it's too late, it's too late. Just like it's too late for some of you to realize the power of......ahhh nevermind.


Because of this ongoing and pointless, repeated arguement, you have distracted my work again today.

Thanks.

 

[smashfactory]

roughcut- you are gonna pop a blood vessel

everyone here is pretty secure in their skin, so no worries. but ya gotta chill or this will look like the madhouse you see elsewhere. its a fairly calm group here, even with flies in the soup. take a breath, talk it out. it's all good

 

[jeffoverman]

the rookie speaks out, lol.....roughcut-my best advice is to do one thing-press the ignore button. thats what I did and its not worth it with that person. I been advised to do this by a loyal namepros member and heavy .tv investor and poster. She did a great advising me on things. Each one that there own thoughts and disagreements. Comes with the forums as well. I am sure equity will be deleting more of his posts that he has done. .tv forum is a really great group of people and solid research is being done here. A lot of loyal users here.

Cheers and glad to see you on board and being a namepros member! We look forward in reading your posts on .tv soon!

J