.tv Tv and Google

[hullswingerscom]

i can not get my tv domains ranked high in google if i just use the keyword

if i add the keyword.tv it will...rank ok

no matter what i do i get a poor rank in google yet yahoo is ok..

anyone else have this bother....

 

[equity78]

Bulldog I am not sure who is bitching. .tv is a cctld always has been and IMO always will. No one I know has stated anything else. The fact it is marketed as TV makes sense but everyone knows its a CCtld.

Local good point, many here do not know this but when Channel ME started Google blacklisted every site, Demand Media called and got it fixed.

 

[localexperts]

Many people throw DM under the bus for Channel Me. Channel Me does not directly impact any non-Channel Me DOT TV domains. I don't understand the compliants. I was trying to focus this energy into something that would be positive for the extension.

Otherwise whenever some asks "where is all the end user sales".

You have one answer, very little type in, no ability to rank well on Google.

 

[equity78]

I would say sales have been fine Local, people looking for .com sales value and volume are misguided IMO.

Since this forum was started 3 years ago, the people who came here who invested wisely, have researched and followed what was written here have done well. Have they done Page Howe selling Seniors.com for 1.3 million well ? NO To think they should have would be very foolish IMO.

For those who ignored what was written here, such as May 1,2007 is not a landrush, those names were available since 2000, those people over spent looking for the pot of gold.

.tv is not .com, what it has been has been a place for those who took the time to find good to great keywords and make good money.

SearchingTV has enjoyed many sales that a premium system allowed him to reg in 2006, and sell for a great ROI, same for JohnTV, Argos, Millers, Atypical, TLD Networks, MCB.tv,SKG and many others.

.tv is not a get rich quick scenario and never will be a get rich quick scenario IMO.
The Internet is young anyone looking for guarantees and promises is looking for the proverbial utopian world IMO, to think the Internet will look the same in 2018 as it does in 2008 is absolutely ridiculous IMO. Those using the term uncertainty, I ask what is Certain in this life ? Certainty, right up there with control, the funny thing about those terms is you realize how little you had when things actually change.

You pay attention, don't overextend and you have a great chance IMO to make above average ROI. Again IMO

 

[rocker314]

This is depends on keywords and SEO implementations. Here some examples:

search "filipino tv" and you will see Filipino.TV first in results. Not a surprise as it gets 3000+ views a day.

search "jersey tv" and you will see Jersey.TV in the first page results.

search "michigan tv" and you don't see it in first couple of page results, this mean I need fresh and more articles here.

I believe google ranks .TV as well.

Thanks I'll try that.

 

[hullswingerscom]

you will try what?

 

[soggyindo]

is there perhaps an option of using our .tv's as our "landing" or "branding" page, and then link all our content to another dummy domain -- .com, .net, or even another ccTLD if you are country specific -- as a stopgap measure?

eg.

KidsShow.TV - all the "home" buttons point to this. All pages have the .tv logo with this address on it displayed prominently. people remember, recommend, "digg" and type the .tv address in. but it's basically just a flashy, one page navigation page.

All the real content is on kidsshowtv.com or kidshowdata.com - it doesn't matter, something that will attract clicks when appears on google.

provide links and push kidsshowdata.com up the rankings. then, once people find the site, they can stick with the .tv.

eventually the word will get out that there's loads of great stuff on .tv, and we can move all content to the .tv when the situation changes (i'm still a believer!)

not an ideal situation - but i'm just thinking how we can make money on our .tv investments in the short term - and few details to work out!

an idea to discuss, anyway...

 

[smashfactory]

you would think, that google, tracking itts own trends, would index that which is showing strong growth:

http://www.google.com/trends?q=.tv,.mobi,.biz,

 

[localexperts]

.co.uk has many sites. Still a ccTLD.

As for the landing page idea, we are trying something similiar, I think that is the best idea. Also get the TV.com and use that for spidering.

 

[hullswingerscom]

well this thread started with me trying to get a good page rank with a dot tv name...
i had a email from a Northamptonmarkets.biz web designer about joining the two sites
so now i have cottinghammarket.co.uk and will drop the dot tv
a geo needs the google ranking,still i tried!

but a interesing thread

 

[mckennaronnie]

well this thread started with me trying to get a good page rank with a dot tv name...
i had a email from a Northamptonmarkets.biz web designer about joining the two sites
so now i have cottinghammarket.co.uk and will drop the dot tv
a geo needs the google ranking,still i tried!

but a interesing thread

hull's
Did you ever try adding title, meta tags, exchanging backlinks...etc??
That will help you no doubt.
You cant blame Google or .Tv if you havent done the basics. IMHO

 

[hullswingerscom]

yes i did....but ronnie there is a one page site with a good google ranking saying just "coming soon".

anyway i think most agree that it is more difficult to get a good google ranking

those who say , if you add the.keywordtv in google iam number one are wasting there time.

like you ronnie i hate this google talk,but were stuck with trying to get a google ranking to get our names up and running were others can see them if we like it or not!

 

[mckennaronnie]

yes i did....but ronnie there is a one page site with a good google ranking saying just "coming soon".

anyway i think most agree that it is more difficult to get a good google ranking

those who say , if you add the.keywordtv in google iam number one are wasting there time.

like you ronnie i hate this google talk,but were stuck with trying to get a google ranking to get our names up and running were others can see them if we like it or not!

I am not one who says "Add TV to search term..."
And i do trust the members who can show there is a problem getting high positions on Google when the term is very competitive.
Though for 'Cottingham' i'm not so sure this is the problem
I dont think your problems have anything to do with .tv, is your site on the 1st page of Yahoo???

There is a lot involved in geting high rankings, not just what extension you use.
As far as i can see by looking at your site then the main probels are:
Title needs improved
Meta tags definetley need improving
Need more backlinks

if you do not improve these points then your site will struggle no matter what extension you use.

 

[hullswingerscom]

cottingham is on page two of yahoo...!

ok ronnie we beg to differ on this one but you are a scotsman and me an englishman!

 

[mckennaronnie]

cottingham is on page two of yahoo...!

ok ronnie we beg to differ on this one but you are a scotsman and me an englishman!

We dont beg to differ on the Google / .Tv problems.
BUT its not as big a problem for small, niche site owners, SEO is far more important.

I'm willing to bet the any domains you use will struggle if you dont improve they issues but i doubt you believe me so this Scotsman will give up.

 

[Steven]

I'm back after a long trip.
Very interesting debate in regards to .tv and google.

Fact: google considers .tv a ccTLD. until that changes, it will be very difficult to get great search rankings.

According to google webmaster tools, .tv isn't treated like ccTLD. It's treated like gTLD.

Not only that, Google's webmaster trends analyst has said that no tld is treated better than one another.

There's a lot of factors involved in google seo ranking.

I need to hear from Google's mouth that they discriminate .TV.
Until then, I'm still 50/50.
The big question here is... why would they?
A huge search engine corporation that wants to make users happy with good search results (relevant and quality content websites) discriminate a site based on tld?

Bulldog I am not sure who is bitching. .tv is a cctld always has been and IMO always will. No one I know has stated anything else. The fact it is marketed as TV makes sense but everyone knows its a CCtld.

Local good point, many here do not know this but when Channel ME started Google blacklisted every site, Demand Media called and got it fixed.

This is interesting. I didn't know about this.
Can it be possible that when they talked to Google, they asked for .TV to be treated like gTLD?

 

[localexperts]

They will never tell anybody they disciminate against anything. The backlash if that got out would be earthshattering. If Google said they have a bias against .TV domain, that would effectively hamstring the extension.

I look at the data. Your datapoint is good, but until I find a .TV ranked in the top 5 for a high search term - I 100%, .TV that do rank well in Yahoo, don't rank well on Google for high search terms

 

[treebytheriver]

They will never tell anybody they disciminate against anything. The backlash if that got out would be earthshattering. If Google said they have a bias against .TV domain, that would effectively hamstring the extension.

I look at the data. Your datapoint is good, but until I find a .TV ranked in the top 5 for a high search term - I 100%, .TV that do rank well in Yahoo, don't rank well on Google for high search terms

#1 for google search terms travel + video (not in quotes) is travelvideo.tv
# 3 for travel + videos is travelvideo.tv

# 3 for Italy + video is travelvideo.tv
# 2 for Mexico + video is travelvideo.tv

#1 for cooking + video is ifoods.tv
#1 for recipe + video, ifoods.tv

Maybe this is irrelevent (two words etc), but these two are doing something right.

 

[localexperts]

Sure they are targeting low competitive, low search volume terms. Not many seaches for keyword video just like low searches for keyword tv

http://estibot.com

check the ajax tool there

I'm looking for a term with volume (1000 searches a month) with a .TV in the top 5.

SEO experts and large site operators typically don't target keywords that don't show up on Wordtracker or Overture. Most companies focus their efforts here. It is those keywords that matter. Those are the keywords that drive .com value.

Those are the keywords that would drive keyword value for .TV.

Our sites

#1 banquet facilities
#1 event catering
#1 termite inspections
#4 videographers

and more.

We get low-mid $XX,XXX a month is revenue from free traffic we get because our .COM and .NET sites are highly ranked. I'm not Frank Schilling, but I think our SEO knowledge is a proven quantity - and I can't get one .TV in the top 10 pages

even Officiants.TV which is #1 on Yahoo for keyword "officiants". Oh it is #1 for "officiants tv". Worthless.

It is easier to get ranked for a keywords not on the list because most SEO experts use Wordtracker or Overture to define their metatags and descriptions. The other keywords are VIRTUALLY ignored, unless you have a very specific niche you are targeting or if you are targeting local traffic.

 

[Steven]

They will never tell anybody they disciminate against anything. The backlash if that got out would be earthshattering. If Google said they have a bias against .TV domain, that would effectively hamstring the extension.

I look at the data. Your datapoint is good, but until I find a .TV ranked in the top 5 for a high search term - I 100%, .TV that do rank well in Yahoo, don't rank well on Google for high search terms

Hi George,

Google webmaster tools treats .TV as g/sTLD/neutral TLD.
I'm not sure why Google would have bias against any extensions including .TV domains. Even the webmaster trends analyst for Google said all extensions are ranked and treated same.

Also, in order to have a .TV ranked in the top 5 for a high search term, it will depend on corporate end user(s) using .TV, quality of the contents added to the sites, backlinks, etc, and optimizing the site in Google search engine while competing against some/many others who are also spending a lot of money on ad, have many backlinks, already established and aged, good quality contents, etc.

I think there are many competitions for high OVT/wordtracker words... many who are spending a lot of money, optimizing, adding quality contents, backlinks and so on.


.TV is ccTLD, but I don't think it's being treated as one in Google from the few facts I've gathered recently. Therefore, I don't think it's about .TV. It's about competing your site, regardless of whether it's .TV or not, against other giants who have already established themselves for the keywords in Google.

But then again, I'm not an expert on SEO yet, and I can only give opinions derived from my limited knowledge and experience.

 

[localexperts]

But then again, I'm not an expert on SEO yet, and I can only give opinions derived from my limited knowledge and experience.

In the wedding vertical, we are one of the giants.

Our ad spend in wedding is in the top 5, in wedding officiants - we are #1.

We have been able to get every wedding/event domain we own in the top 4 for whatever category we choose.

Provided it is a .COM or .NET.

I guess we have just gotten lucky. I don't know what I'm doing. I have no experience with SEO.

A good read for all. It is about my former company and how we ran our business
http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/35/ideas2.html