.tv Tv and Google

[hullswingerscom]

i can not get my tv domains ranked high in google if i just use the keyword

if i add the keyword.tv it will...rank ok

no matter what i do i get a poor rank in google yet yahoo is ok..

anyone else have this bother....

 

[hullswingerscom]

good idea woudl be to develop a tv and tv.com same content....and keyword

 

[Steven]

good idea woudl be to develop a tv and tv.com same content....and keyword

That sounds good too, but have to avoid putting in any duplicated contents even if the topic will be the same. That's why this test is a bit complex to do. There are so much involved in ranking a site and optimizing in Google search engine.

Duplication content penalty will make one site rank less than the other.

 

[TheBulldog]

I guess another way to test it is by purchasing a random, unknown and unused name

hgeriugh8924y5983yqhfieqhgihtiojq1rowbhw9ry1894g in .com, .net, .org, .in, .tv, .mobi, etc and see how they rank... tweak the development, backlinks, etc

I suggested doing this a long time ago......

I think I said to do it this way:

brahkljjj.com
brahkljjj.tv

Since brahkljjj has no results in google, it would be relatively easy to test it to see what happens.

Put up EXACTLY identical sites at the same time. (Build it and publish at the same time)

The take a page with good traffic, doesn't matter what, heck, create a wiki page since that would be crawled instantly entitled "What does Google rank higher?"
Now, you would need to put links to both sites. So you would have to do 2 identical wiki pages each with one of the names. My thought is if you just pop the links in one page, google may rank the first one first in search results.

So there you go. If anyone wants to buy two random names and try it, I would be game for hosting it for the test and tossing a couple of sites up.

That sounds good too, but have to avoid putting in any duplicated contents even if the topic will be the same. That's why this test is a bit complex to do. There are so much involved in ranking a site and optimizing in Google search engine.

Duplication content penalty will make one site rank less than the other.

I actually WOULD want identical content. Basically it would show 2 results in google, then we see which one ranks first.

Then we could play and tweak the tv to see what would need to happen to move it to the top.

 

[gwkg]

Google isn't located on another planet, they know .tv isn't being used as a cctld.

 

[TheWatcher]

This is depends on keywords and SEO implementations. Here some examples:

search "filipino tv" and you will see Filipino.TV first in results. Not a surprise as it gets 3000+ views a day.

search "jersey tv" and you will see Jersey.TV in the first page results.

search "michigan tv" and you don't see it in first couple of page results, this mean I need fresh and more articles here.

I believe google ranks .TV as well.

 

[localexperts]

Google DOES NOT rank .TV well. Every time this comment is made, someone brings up search terms that don't register on wordtracker or Overture. Heck, my .TV sites rank well for "pest control TV" or "disc jockeys tv". No one seaches for those keywords.

Ranking #1 for those search terms is as worthless to me or any end user as a book on how to address Y2K issues.

Go to Estibot, neither Jersey TV" or "Bob Parsons" show up in the AJAX Overture tool. These two examples are low search volume, low competitive search terms.

Also.....using words like "I like", "probably", "I'm sure". These are opionions. This is not subjective. .TV domains rank high or they don't for high search terms.

I have a small team of folks who have been very successful getting sites highly ranked for highly competitive search terms. Their track record has been nothing short of stellar. One person, has been doing SEO since the 90s.

So you can understand, why I tend to listen to these individuals when they give me feedback on SEO issues.

The message I have gotten from these individuals is simple, Every SEO techniques that works on our .COM and .NET sites does not work with the .TVs. Every SEO technique they have used since the late 90s doesn't work.

Disagree with my comments - Find keywords which get more than 5,000 searches a month according to AJAX/Estibot where a .TV domain is ranked in the top 5 positions.

Right or wrong, hopefully we can get to the truth. If that truth is an SEO bias against .TV - I'm sure everyone on this board would agree that we need to collectively work together to correct the situation.

 

[hullswingerscom]

i would just put "filipino" in google not "filipino tv"sure it may be no1 in google
why do domainers keep on adding the tv and say iam no1 in google?

 

[lzy]

Google "fansub".

It used to be first result but it appears Wikipedia is the number one result now.

 

[snoop]

Google DOES NOT rank .TV well. Every time this comment is made, someone brings up search terms that don't register on wordtracker or Overture. Heck, my .TV sites rank well for "pest control TV" or "disc jockeys tv". No one seaches for those keywords.

Ranking #1 for those search terms is as worthless to me or any end user as a book on how to address Y2K issues.

Very well said.

 

[Steven]

I became very curious about this since I was seeing 50/50 answer in regards to .TV or other TLD ranking and Google

Here's the reply from Webmaster Trends Analyst at Google after I asked them

We generally treat all top level domains the same except for
geographic targeting of ccTLDs. "Misusing" some of those country-code
TLDs could result in a website ranking slightly better in that country
(which might not be the desired outcome ). Domains using generic
TLDs can use the geographic targeting feature in Webmaster Tools, if
desired. We don't view any gTLDs better than others - a site
using .info can and generally will rank just as well as a site
using .com provided all other factors are the same.

If I can get in touch with my friend working at Google, I will ask him as well.

I'd also like to develop a site with TLD ranking well in SEO, and if in the case .TV does not rank well, like what localexperts has said, we should work together to correct the situation.

 

[Steven]

I used google webmaster tool's geographic target function.

For .TV, it works as neutral TLD like .com, .net, .org, .info instead of ccTLD
You can set the geographic target to any country. Otherwise, it targets everywhere like .com.

When I tested it out with my .ca name, it says I can't change the geographic target

"Your site's domain (.CA) is already associated with the country/region: Canada"


Geographic target setting function only works with gTLD (neutral)

http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=62399

With google webmaster trends analyst saying that no tld is better than one another in regards to ranking, and .TV acting like gTLD (furthermore, go to Google.TV... it'll redirect to your country's google), it's a definite win for .tv developers and investors!

 

[localexperts]

Interesting.

One other thought, despite the comment made by the Google rep, I've also found my posts on SEO boards referencing .COM, .NET, and .ORG being viewed differently than other TLDs like .INFO and .BIZ.

Google is a black box. You never know exactly what is going on with them.

I have a .TV where I spend over $1,000 a month buying the keyword tied to the domain. We spend more than anyone else in this field. That .TV is #1 on Yahoo for SEO. Not found on Google in the first five pages. I have a .NET where we also spend $1,000 a month. Both sites have been up the same amount of time. The .NET is actually in a very competitive field when compared to the .TV where we are the only major player. The .NET is #4 on Google and climbing for the keyword tied to the domain. I have a .COM where we spend $500 a month, it is #1 on Google. I have another .COM where we spend $1,000 a month. it is #1 on Google. I can go right down a list like this with .COM and .NET ranking well and .TV doing well on Yahoo and no where on Google unless you search for the "keyword TV"

To an old programmer who has years of experience finding bugs in code, this looks like a trend. Then you add Hulls and others on this board with the same experience. Something is going on.

I will not invest in any more TV domains until I'm convinced this is not a problem. And I would think that is a concern considering the compliants about lack of sales in the marketplace, combined with the amount of investment we did in 2007 in the .TV extension.

It may not be due the ccTLD.

But until I find a .TV ranking in the top 5 for a high search term, the only counter points is ruling out symptoms - not providing evidence that a problem doesn't exist.

Sorry, I've very hard headed.

 

[Steven]

Hi George,

I don't have much experience with adwords yet, but does increased adwords spending/usage help with the rank or just gives searchers a sponsored search on the google and on content network (traffic increase) or both?

Google is focusing on quality of the results parsed out by its search engine, and it takes a lot of seo work to rank it high. Its algorithm is different than yahoo's, but I don't know and can't comment on complexity of it... not to mention, it's constantly changing/improving.

I wish I can say something solid, but all I can give at the moment is some of the facts I've collected and a conclusion derived by them. I haven't factored in some of the other things yet. I still have a lot to learn about seo...


If it works out well for .TV, it'll be even more attractive to potential end users and developers.
I'm hoping for the best heh..

 

[localexperts]

Hey Steve, I appreciate the data. Your finding is very interesting. It might not be due to the ccTLD issue based on that datapoint. I don't know what is the issue. I wish I did. I appreciate your research.

Based on that research, I'm going to start researching the TLD bias by launching a .info and driving traffic to it. Some posted that .INFO is biased due to the amount of low quality sites on that extension. Lets see how .INFO does vs .TV.

If they both rank nowhere, then I would tend to believe it is a .COM, .NET, and .ORG positive bias.

I don't have much experience with adwords yet, but does increased adwords spending/usage help with the rank or just gives searchers a sponsored search on the google and on content network (traffic increase) or both? ..

All I will say is this, Google views length of reg as evidenced of trusted sites since most low quality sites are registered year to year.

If you take this logic one step down the road, then sites which spend money advertising on Google should represent the top tier internet sites since most parked and low quality content sites don't advertise.

Combined with the domain matching the search term you are targeting...it is a powerful combination since high search term .com and .nets cost a pretty penny to buy or have been regged for years.

And that might be the big issue with .TV - most .TV domains were recent regs. They don't have the longevity of the .com and .nets. I can see this argument being the issue with .TV. Maybe Yahoo doesn't factor longevity as high as Google.

takes a lot of seo work to rank it high.

That does not match our experience. I got fat, dumb, and lazy with success. When presented with an easy path and a hard path, I'm going to invest in the easy road.

 

[hullswingerscom]

i could have got the same keyword in org.uk but i regd the tv

now the one page org.uk has been regd with a good rank saying "coming soon"

next time its easy road for me!

 

[treebytheriver]

I have a geo, a very poorly developed geo site and not the best city in the country (Italy) by any means, the word also means "vast" or great, in spanish and portugeuse. It ranks 8 in google results, on page #1, the .tv blog. Type in "Vasto", and see it. Why, I don't know, google is a mystery to me.

If you type in Savory + recipes, I'm on the #3 page of google. Savory + video, I am on #2, again, who knows why...............if you type just "savory" page #4.

 

[localexperts]

very few searches for savory and zero people bidding on the keyword.

Low number of advertisers typically means less competitive for SEO since people don't target it in their metatags. Same with the savory variants.

It should be easy for a .TV to rank well with this type of keyword. Yet, page #4 on a keyword that has some volume and low targeting.

 

[equity78]

http://www.webmasterworld.com/google/3147340.htm

 

[treebytheriver]

So, the more common keywords (more commonly searched) have to work harder to reach google's top pages? And they are always below the .com's, net's, org's and info's?

Would there feasibly be anything that could be done to help change things in this case??

 

[localexperts]

So, the more common keywords (more commonly searched) have to work harder to reach google's top pages? And they are always below the .com's, net's, org's and info's?

Would there feasibly be anything that could be done to help change things in this case??

Yes because everyone looks at wordtracker and/or overture results and targets what people are searching. We don't target "wedding images" for our wedding photographer domains - b/c no one searches for it.

If we were #1 for "wedding images" it would be worth $0, if we were #1 for "wedding photographers", the domain would have automatic $XX,XXX of value.

Yes, you can do something - buy a .com, .net, or .org for a high volume, competitive search term, have quality content, register the domain until 2015, and advertise the site.