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You don't sound bitter at all. You should go see a Michael Moore movie to make yourself feel better.

This is stupid. You could make a video of women Trump hasn't sexually assaulted, or a video of kids saying Trump never wanted to date them, or find underage girls he hasn't walked in on, doesn't change the reality of the ones he has.

This came out today

 
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You don't sound bitter at all.

It's the truth.

I guess you didn't see this:


Turns out your gal Ford was faking the whole time.

I guess you haven't realized she hasn't testified yet.

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Ronald Reagan's daughter:

I was sexually assaulted. Here’s why I don’t remember many of the details.

I never told anyone for decades — not a friend, not a boyfriend, not a therapist, not my husband when I got married years later.........


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.2ca633c4d20d


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Just saving this:

She's not going to testify.

Today she was busy for a few hours talking to the FBI about the death threats she has been getting from Republicans. She's also had to leave her home.

Another heavy teenage drinker?

What dirt looks like. Supposed Christian, mr. white republican
 
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Again with the sub-posting and long-board story editing.

It's the truth.



I guess you haven't realized she hasn't testified yet.

If she was going to testify, she would have done it.

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Ronald Reagan's daughter:

I was sexually assaulted. Here’s why I don’t remember many of the details.

I never told anyone for decades — not a friend, not a boyfriend, not a therapist, not my husband when I got married years later.........


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.2ca633c4d20d

Another heavy teenage drinker?

Just saving this:
Today she was busy for a few hours talking to the FBI about the death threats she has been getting from Republicans.

She has lawyers.

At least Kavanaugh's family has the US Marshal service to protect them from marxist lunitics.
 
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Why do you sub-post and continually edit? To scared to make comments people can easily respond too?

@JB Lions - Using a screen shot because you'll go back and edit again.
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You sound upset. I guess getting owned so often get frustrating.

She [ Patti Davis ] Struggled With Drug Addiction and Considered Her Playboy Photoshoot Her ‘Victory Lap’ Back Into Health
https://heavy.com/news/2016/03/patr...reer-husband-children-playboy-age-bio-photos/

Patti Davis has a long history of drug and alcohol addiction. CB Ford' was at a party with alcohol.

Patti Davis can remember who, where and when she was assaulted. CB Ford can't remember when, where, how she got to the party or how she got home.

Let me point out the obvious: It's plausible someone wouldn't talk about being assaulted, it's not likely they wouldn't remember any details besides the identity of the accused.

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At impasse over testimony by accuser, GOP sets Monday panel vote on Kavanaugh
http://jamiedupree.blog.ajc.com/201...user-gop-sets-monday-panel-vote-on-kavanaugh/








 

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GENIUS Free Beacon video EXPOSES Democrat LIE about Kavanaugh accuser….

Several Senate Democrats have changed their rhetoric on how and when Christine Blasey Ford should testify about her accusation of sexual assault against Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh.

 
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They’re both mistreatment of human beings and both wrong.
Cutting in front of someone in line and beheading someone are both mistreatments and wrong as well. That doesn't make them comparable.

QUOTE="enlytend, post: 6905578, member: 38378"] Taking those kids from their parents and on top of that failing to have plans or adequate records to reunite them was an atrocity[/QUOTE]

No, that's not an atrocity. Not everything that ia unjust, incompetent or wrong is an atrocity. Calling it that is hyperbole.

It's not an irrational fear to enforce borders. It's a responsibility. If someone chooses to violate a border, they are normally restrained and returned to where they came from, though many countries jail them. To claim that is equivalent to throwing innocent citizens into prison camps requires a complete refusal to recognize obvious distinctions.

Feel free to just say you believe borders are a human rights violation. At least a case can be made there, and we could have an honest discussion that might be interesting and educational for everybody. I get quickly tired of disingenuous discussions where the truth takes a back seat to politics.
 
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Even ABC’s Cokie Roberts Wonders: Kavanaugh Accuser ‘Playing Footsie With Dems
Christine Blasey Ford has either developed a case of cold feet or she’s playing footsie with the Democrats. Neither one of those options is useful if she wants to stop Brett Kavanaugh’s confirmation to the Supreme Court.

But she made the choice to reveal her identity, knowing that it would upend her life. Now, she needs to tell her story to the people who will decide whether Brett Kavanaugh ascends to the Supreme Court -- the members of the United States Senate.

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/n...rts-wonders-kavanaugh-accuser-playing-footsie
 
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Borders are fine. I’m in favor of robust border security .

Taking kids away from their parents and losing track of them is not. If someone came here with kids, there’s no excuse for deporting them without those kids. And yes, that’s an atrocity. I believe even those Japanese families were kept together, no?

Crossing the border in a non-designated place is a misdemeanor. Show me one other misdemeanor where offenders are treated that harshly.

Even though that practice was discontinued, the government, which missed their deadline for reuniting, is not the one making an effort to make right what they screwed up.

So why don’t those with good intent cross at “designated areas” to begin with? Because it’s not safe. I don’t know what the answer is, but maybe if Mr. “Art of the Deal” wasn’t so busy pissing our neighbors off, we could negotiate something that would incentivize Mexico to beef up security at or near the legal crossing points on their side.

Those seeking asylum should be treated with respect, compassion and dignity.

Requests should be processed in a reasonable period of time. If there aren’t sufficient resources to do that, perhaps instead of expanding holding times and building bigger detention centers, we need more resources. Though I’m sure the two private prison companies (coincidentally both big campaign donors) getting well compensated per deum per person would disagree.

I’m also not in favor of abolishing ICE, but I think it needs more accountability, and oversight and is a good candidate for reform. If for nothing else than to rein in their financial mismanagement. They’re constantly over budget and this is being enabled by silently shuffling funds to them from other agencies.

Though it was a nice carrot to dangle for his lower IQ supporters, I believe we can have strong borders without the stupid wall. That money is better spent elsewhere.
 
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Tariffs will lead to higher prices - wow who saw that coming? Dollar stores will be affected too.
Tariffs could mean a 2M drop in car sales and cost 715,000 jobs, warns auto industry group
"Retaliation by China to tariffs already in place has made U.S. auto exports uncompetitive,” said one industry insider.
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/au...ales-cost-715-000-n911411?cid=sm_npd_nn_fb_ma

Target is 'deeply troubled' over Trump's tariffs, says prices to rise on everything from playpens to backpacks, as retailers push back
  • A coalition of roughly 300 retailers — including Kohl's, L.L. Bean, the Gap, Macy's and Under Armour — signed on to a letter strongly opposing the tariffs.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/21/tar...er-trumps-tariffs-as-retailers-push-back.html

Walmart letter warns tariffs will raise prices and tax American businesses
Should the tariffs go into effect, Walmart customers will face cost increases for essential items like car seats, cribs, backpacks, hats, pet products and bicycles,” Walmart’s letter says.

The company also said that tariffs would put a commitment to purchase an additional $250 billion in products that support American jobs in jeopardy.

“For lower-income families, a 25% tax on these items would be a serious burden on household finances,” Walmart wrote. “Walmart and our suppliers will pay the cost of increased duties, which are simply taxes levied on products at the border. As a result, either consumers will pay more, suppliers will receive less, retail margins will be lower, or consumers will buy fewer products or forego purchases altogether.”
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/w...prices-and-tax-american-businesses-2018-09-21
 
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I believe even those Japanese families were kept together, no?
They were American families. They had everything taken away - their farms, their businesses, livelihoods built up over decades, they had committed no crime and they were imprisoned for years. The comparison is insulting to them. And, again, they were Americans, not Japanese.

Borders are fine. I’m in favor of robust border security

That's too bad. We could have had a good conversation there. I don't like the idea of borders at all, or of restricting the free movement of people. In theory. In practice, we have a ways to go before we can allow anyone to enter anywhere. The least we could do though is to eliminate the passport system, which is designed to keep people from leaving countries.
 
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Another heavy teenage drinker?
Yeah, blame the woman.
It's their fault when they get raped and abused right ? Either they were drunken, or misbehaving so they deserved it. The male abuser is always right.
 
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They were American families.
Sorry - I know that. Americans of Japanese descent, was what I meant.

And yes it was horrible that everything was taken from them, but just as bad that these people had their children taken from them. Some of the ones deported without them may never see their kids again.
 
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Yeah, blame the woman.
It's their fault when they get raped and abused right ? Either they were drunken, or misbehaving so they deserved it. The male abuser is always right.

You missed my point. I'm not blaming anyone, I don't believe Brett Kavanaugh assaulted Christine Blasey Ford.

JB compared Patti Davis to Christine Blasey Ford. The headline mentioned Patti is Ronald Reagan's daughter to give her credibility. Pattie, was an alcoholic and drug addict.

PD remembers where, when, who, events before and after. CBF can't remember anything before, after, when or where.

Weird how none of you have any concern for Brett Kavanaugh or his family. One vague accusation that contemporaneous witnesses all deny happened, threatens his GOOD reputation and his career.

P.S. There is a video floating around of BOTH CB Ford's lawyers taking about stopping Kavanaugh, It was recorded shortly after he was nominated.
 
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Sen. Grassley has already agreed to give CFB's lawyers another delay, postponing Monday's confirmation vote.

Every time Sen. Grassley delays, the left wing radicals get louder.
 
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And yes it was horrible that everything was taken from them, but just as bad that these people had their children taken from them. Some of the ones deported without them may never see their kids again.
Actually, this is a reason why migrants/refugees decide to sneak through the border and bypass controls. They know the reward for following procedure.
Anyway, this policy is cruel and pointless. It was made to deter people from coming in the first place, and punish those who attempt anyway. If only Uncle Sam could be trusted for taking good care of the kids.

America is a nation of immigrants, never forget your roots, where you come from.

You missed my point; I'm not blaming anyone. I don't believe Brett Kavanaugh assaulted Christine Blasey Ford.
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Weird how none of you have any concern for the Brett Kavanaugh or his family. One vague accusation that contemporaneous witnesses all deny happened, threatens his GOOD reputation and his career.
You did miss my point. I am not taking sides here. But these are serious allegations, and they should be heard.

It is your right to believe that Kavanaugh is innocent. I believe in the presumption of innocence principle. But you said Ford is a liar and faker, before she even got a chance to speak. She's already crucified by the mob, of which you a part. Yes, you. You have repeatedly ridiculed and degraded women who come forward, labeling them as heavy teenage drinkers. These are words that could have pronounced by the groper in chief.

Unless you know either party on a personal level, you are not in a position to make an informed statement on who is right and who isn't. Somebody is not telling the truth. As to who that somebody is, your guess is as good as mine.

Yes, Kavanaugh's reputation and career is at stake a result. That is unfortunate if the accusations turn out to be groundless.
But making such accusations comes at a huge personal price: you conveniently dismiss the fact that a woman put everything on the line to confront Kavanaugh: her reputation, career, future, peace of mind and personal safety.
Obviously, some people don't want her to speak up. I wonder why, maybe there is a remote chance she could tell something inconvenient or at least half true ?

All I am saying that people should stop blaming the victims and protecting the abusers.

I guarantee that #metoo is only the tip of the iceberg. I am pretty sure that there is not one living woman on Earth who has not been subject to abuse at some point in life, because she was a woman, and deemed a prey by predators posing as decent men.
 
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You did miss my point. I am not taking sides here. But these are serious allegations, and they should be heard.

I'm not required to suspend logic or reason when evaluating someone's accusation because it came from a women.

Judge Kavanaugh has been asking for a hearing to clear his name. Professor Ford has continually refused to even give a WRITTEN STATEMENT. After saying she was eager to testify, she has recanted, lied, continually imposes news conditions.

Why does Ford refuse to give a statement to the Senate? I think she's worried about perjury.

It is your right to believe that Kavanaugh is innocent. I believe in the presumption of innocence principle. But you said Ford is a liar and faker, before she even got a chance to speak. She's already crucified by the mob, of which you a part. Yes, you. You have repeatedly ridiculed and degraded women who come forward, labeling them as heavy teenage drinkers. These are words that could have pronounced by the groper in chief.

I've listed the reasons why I don't believe CFB. I've said nothing about her personally or her reputation other than I don't believer her.

"You have repeatedly ridiculed and degraded women who come forward, labeling them as heavy teenage drinkers"
Prove it.

BTW, CF Ford said she was at a party, drinking.

Unless you know either party on a personal level, you are not in a position to make an informed statement on who is right and who isn't. Somebody is not telling the truth. As to who that somebody is, your guess is as good as mine.

I just posted a video made by 75! women who have worked with or for Judge Kavanaugh. They believe him.

Yes, Kavanaugh's reputation and career is at stake a result. That is unfortunate if the accusations turn out to be groundless.

1) You don't really care about Kavanaugh or his family. They're an afterthought for you because I brought it up.

2) The accusation was crafted in a way to precludes the ability to prove innocence.

3) Every named witness has denied Ford's story.

CB Ford made an accusation that has hurt a good man and his family but refuse to make in on record. Refuses to testify. At what point DO YOU hold her to some standard of accountability??


But making such accusations comes at a huge personal price: you conveniently dismiss the fact that a woman put everything on the line to confront Kavanaugh: her reputation, career, future, peace of mind and personal safety.

She'll be in demand for paid speeches at universities & events. She'll write a book, get a better job. Ford will make millions of $$.

Obviously, some people don't want her to speak up. I wonder why, maybe there is a remote chance she could tell something inconvenient or at least half true ?

This statement doesn't match reality. People have been BEGGING her to speak on the record, under oath. Judiciary investigators offered to let her testify from California.

All I am saying that people should stop blaming the victims and protecting the abusers.

I guarantee that #metoo is only the tip of the iceberg. I am pretty sure that there is not one living woman on Earth who has not been subject to abuse at some point in life, because she was a woman, and deemed a prey by predators posing as decent men.

You presume every man is guilty automatically, You demand we believe every women, despite rational evidence and irrational behavior.

In the USA, our law requires a presumption of innocence until proven guilty. You don't get to make charges then punish people without evidence or a trial.

Why is CB Ford refusing to testify under oath?
 
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Why does Ford refuse to give a statement to the Senate? I think she's worried about perjury.
Yup, some people have no spinebone really, they hesitate to speak up after receiving death threats and being at the center of massive controversy.

I just posted a video made by 75! women who have worked with or for Judge Kavanaugh. They believe him.
They do, you do. Their right.
It simply means 75 women have not been raped by K. This is not proof, but a testimony. Weinstein did not rape any woman he met with either. Does that mean he did nothing wrong ?

1) You don't really care about Kavanaugh or his family. They're an afterthought for you because I brought it up.
I care about the truth. I'm not for the lynch mob.
You said Ford is a liar, so I take it you're not even interested in whether she is telling the truth or not, you have already decided what the truth should be.

She'll be in demand for paid speeches at universities & events. She'll write a book, get a better job. Ford will make millions of $$.
Seriously ? Then more women should be doing it. Maybe they should be grateful to the abusers for propping up their careers.

You presume every man is guilty automatically, You demand we believe every women, despite rational evidence and irrational behavior.
If you were born a woman your outlook would be very different, I guarantee that. You would see the world in a different light. My life experience is quite different than yours. Maybe you lack a little something that is called empathy.

Before #Metoo, everybody spoke highly of men who are now disgraced. Perception and truth are different things. But it's like almost nothing has changed. In fact it's worse, we now have a groper in chief leading by example.

In the USA, our law requires a presumption of innocence until proven guilty. You don't get to make charges then punish people without evidence or a trial.
At the same time, alleged victims have the right to demand a minimum of consideration.
The majority of rapes are not reported, ever wonder why ? It's already hard enough to confront the abuser, but the worst is having to deal with the crowd and social pressure. I think the worst is 'male' solidarity. Too many men seem to think that holding an abuser accountable is an attack against all of them, and that it is their duty to help each other and suppress inconvenient voices.
 
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