The USA Political Thread

[lennco]

Here you can spout your USA political views.

Rules:
1. Keep it clean
2. No fighting
3. Respect the views of others.
4. US Political views, No Religious views
5. Have fun

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[mr-x]

In all fairness to Obama, he was probably too busy interfering in elections in the UK, Israel, Ukraine and elsewhere to get around to this.

That's right.. I remember Pres. Obama bragging about sending his election team to Israel to help the liberal opposition candidate.

 

[GILSAN]

Ladies, Gentelmen.. I give you the resistance.

They all look like loonies...

 

[enlytend]

“We are witnessing something surprising, something that even the Soviet Union was not able to accomplish: Divide the U.S. and Western Europe. It didn’t work then, but it seems to be working with Mr. Trump now,” - Tatyana Parkhalina on Russian state-run TV
http://russiancouncil.ru/en/tatyana-parkhalina/

"Trump is ours, Crimea is ours and NATO is a threat." - - also on Russian state TV - (have the video link to this, but it’s in Russian. Извини!)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=44lavON_6dk&t=3422

So Russian state run media is basically laughing at us and calling 45 a puppet. He doesn’t seem to mind.

 

[Domainace]

So Russian state run media is basically laughing at us and calling 45 a puppet. He doesn’t seem to mind.

So in addition to reading 30 page missives with zero evidence (addresses and allegations are not evidence), you speak Russian as well? I don't speak Russian, sadly (but I guess my grandkids will have to?). But I can see this is a kind of show that provides a forum for people with various opinions. Assuming your translation is correct, one of the opinions being humorously suggested (Russians laugh just like us, only not as often) is that Trump is "theirs." Crimea voted to become a part of Russia, so I don't see the conflict there. It would be like an American saying "Hawaii is ours." And of course NATO is a threat, that's what it was designed to be. NATO's entire purpose is to contain Russia.

Russian media is not all that different from US media. The state ultimately controls both, but there is a lot of latitude given. The state media speaking is not the same as the state speaking. It's not North Korea. Your mistake is in thinking the US corporate media is more balanced. It is, actually, but not by a lot.

This is all fun and games until the bombs drop, by the way. I am sadly reminded that people who haven't experienced war in several generations seem to pine for it eventually.

 

[enlytend]

I do speak a little. Started learning it last year. Mostly conversational still, but enough to pick out a phrase when I hear it and read a little news. I also speak Spanish, German (my 2 strongest languages after English), a little Portuguese and can read French.

I did not translate the first, that was from a bilingual source. The second I easily verified by watching the clip. “Nash” or “Nasha” (нашa) after a word means “is ours”, oogroza (угроза) means “is a threat.” (Russian has very simple constructs and uses fewer words to convey an idea.) these are just 2 examples - similar statements have been made frequently.

Russian media is owned and controlled by the state. Journalists who speak out end up with those mysterious “Russian heart attacks.” Were not killing journalists here -yet - though 45 and friends have suggested as much and incite it with “enemy of the state“ talk.

 

[GILSAN]

No Fu*king Class...

Planned Parenthood NYC Releases “F*ck New York and Everyone In It” Ad With 11 F-Bombs

 

[GILSAN]

 

[enlytend]

PS

So in addition to reading 30 page missives with zero evidence (addresses and allegations are not evidence),

As I noted earlier, an indictment isn’t supposed to or expected to contain detailed evidence. It essentially outlines the the charges the indictment applies to. However the grand jury that issued the indictment was presented with enough evidence to convince them of probable cause.

 

[mr-x]

“We are witnessing something surprising, something that even the Soviet Union was not able to accomplish: Divide the U.S. and Western Europe. It didn’t work then, but it seems to be working with Mr. Trump now,” - Tatyana Parkhalina on Russian state-run TV
http://russiancouncil.ru/en/tatyana-parkhalina/

"Trump is ours, Crimea is ours and NATO is a threat." - - also on Russian state TV - (have the video link to this, but it’s in Russian. Извини!)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=44lavON_6dk&t=3422

So Russian state run media is basically laughing at us and calling 45 a puppet. He doesn’t seem to mind.

I'm not saying your gullible but you're quoting a RU social engineer. You linked directly to her bio.

 

[JB Lions]

You can just watch the press conference to see they're laughing. It went as expected.

Disputing US intelligence community, Trump says 'I don't see any reason why' Russia would interfere in 2016 election

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/16/the...-russia-would-interfere-in-2016-election.html

He just favored Putin over the U.S. Intelligence Community.

His own - National Security Advisor of the United States, John R. Bolton said before:

"In speeches, interviews and op-eds, Bolton has called Putin a liar who aligns himself with America’s enemies, and whose country is a long-term strategic threat to the United States."

“Trump got to experience Putin looking him in the eyes and lying to him, denying Russian interference in the election,” Bolton wrote in an op-ed in The Telegraph last July, a few days after the G20 summit."

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Missed opportunity by President Trump to firmly hold Russia accountable for 2016 meddling and deliver a strong warning regarding future elections. This answer by President Trump will be seen by Russia as a sign of weakness and create far more problems than it solves. (1/3)
Lindsey Graham‏Verified account @LindseyGrahamSC 13m13 minutes ago

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Former CIA Director



John O. Brennan ✔ @JohnBrennan


Donald Trump’s press conference performance in Helsinki rises to & exceeds the threshold of “high crimes & misdemeanors.” It was nothing short of treasonous. Not only were Trump’s comments imbecilic, he is wholly in the pocket of Putin. Republican Patriots: Where are you???

11:52 AM - Jul 16, 2018

 

[lennco]

Did Putin just bend Trump over a barrel on the World stage and show him the 50 States?

 

[enlytend]

Did I see that a reporter from The Nation was dragged out of the presser?

As a reminder, here are the journalists who criticized Putin and died shortly therafter under suspicious circumstances......

 

[mr-x]

 

[mr-x]

Did Putin just bend Trump over a barrel on the World stage and show him the 50 States?

+ PR.

 

[mr-x]

The big diff between Obama and Trump, the media won't bend over backwards to explain how Putin isn't our enemy. ~Mitt Romney probably

 

[Kate]

"The European Union is a foe, what they do to us in trade. Now, you wouldn't think [it] of the European Union, but they're a foe," he said.

"In a trade sense, they've really taken advantage of us," he added.

On the other hand, it was "critical that the leaders of the US and Russia engage on important matters," the US state department said on Monday, as Trump landed in Helsinki for his tete-a-tete with the Russian chief.

To add insult to injury, the state department said that it would impose sanctions on EU firms doing business with Iran, the NBC network also reported.

"We will seek to provide unprecedented financial pressure on the Iranian regime," the department said, after Trump walked away from a deal on Iran nuclear arms control.

The refusal to exempt EU firms comes despite the fact Russia is to invest $50bn in Iran's energy sector.

Russia also sold Iran high-tech anti-aircraft systems, with no Trump objections.

https://euobserver.com/foreign/142384

Comrade 45 never disappoints his boss.

 

[JB Lions]

I think this term and definition pretty much nails it -

Useful idiot

'In political jargon, a useful idiot is a derogatory term for a person perceived as a propagandist for a cause of whose goals they are not fully aware and who is used cynically by the leaders of the cause. The term was originally used to describe non-Communists regarded as susceptible to Communist propaganda and manipulation"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot

 

[lennco]

Without a doubt today was the most Embarrassing day in Presidential history.

 

[mr-x]

You should sit this one out.

I think this term and definition pretty much nails it -

Useful idiot

'In political jargon, a useful idiot is a derogatory term for a person perceived as a propagandist for a cause of whose goals they are not fully aware and who is used cynically by the leaders of the cause. The term was originally used to describe non-Communists regarded as susceptible to Communist propaganda and manipulation"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot

 

[JB Lions]

You should sit this one out.

You should have sat last week out.