The USA Political Thread

[lennco]

Here you can spout your USA political views.

Rules:
1. Keep it clean
2. No fighting
3. Respect the views of others.
4. US Political views, No Religious views
5. Have fun

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[mr-x]

 

[GILSAN]

Yeah, he keeps editing his response to make sure we know how smart he is.

You mean "how smart he thinks he is"

 

[JB Lions]

I don't think Trump even knows all the words to the National Anthem or something else is going on, he looks lost here. Look at his eyes:

https://twitter.com/_rone/status/950535659026034688

another angle:
"Stable Genius Donald Trump forgot the lyrics to the national anthem"
https://twitter.com/jnsanchez/status/950537597176119297

He needs a full checkup, something is wrong.

Here he is today, there is video with the tweet
"We are fighting for our farmers, for our country, and for our GREAT AMERICAN FLAG. We want our flag respected - and we want our NATIONAL ANTHEM respected also!"
Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 5h5 hours ago

Then look at him years ago, again on Oprah, fast and fluid:

Didn't even see this one before, Melania had to nudge Trump to put hand over heart. His son and wife knew what to do.

 

[Kate]

And the wall isn't going to happen, and for sure he lied about Mexico paying for it.

Without or without Mexico wall, America is building a wall around itself (and burning bridges).

 

[offthehandle]

Without or without Mexico wall, America is building a wall around itself (and burning bridges).

Thats kinda the plan. Leave the countries outside the US alone completely. Let the socialist ideals that are un American to fend for themselves. I wish that it would be even more radcal and isolationist. The US doesnt need more wishy washy allies. No more new immigration. No imports from EU and from China, that would force Walmart and Amazon and their business and revert back to US products small US neighborhood business owners. Then exit NATO so the US taxpayers will stop funding the self sufficient wealthy EU, let Germany pay for it all. Let the UK and EU in their infinite wisdom fight off their issues they created with open borders. Remove all US troops from Europe and let them protect themselves against Whatever boogeyman they are afraid of. Huge tax savings. Penalize $$$$$$$ all US employers hiring illegal immigrants. That would save major taxes for the US, oh and renegotiate all external debt. Never would happen due to the entire corrupt swamp dweller system, but interesting way to wake up the rest of the world. NK and that, let Asia pay 100% for their own protection. Cut off all US taxpayer foreign aid too.

 

[offthehandle]

So you're anti-crooked Hillary but just fine and dandy with Crooked Trump? As for George Carlin, who I'm a fan of, do you really think he would be a Trump fan? He would be tearing into him. They asked his daughter about Trump:

“Oh, God no. No, no, no, no, no,” Carlin responded. “My dad would see him for who he really is, which is misogynistic, and racist, and all that kind of stuff. I mean he, he’d love the freak show of it all because – it is a real freak show. He loved the freak show aspect of American politics.

“But, my dad didn’t vote,” Carlin continued. “He stopped voting in ’72 when McGovern broke his heart. You know, he’d be a San.. he’d love Bernie Sanders. My dad was very progressive. You know, so, but that’s, that’s my take on it. It’s an interesting mixing of progressive ideals with fascist tactics and political incorrectness in general.”

This - "Sure there were real crimes and cases, very horrible behavior." But you call the metoo# stuff bs? All that is, is strength in numbers. Are there women who do that stuff to get ahead, of course, but that's part of the problem, the system. So instead of attacking that, attack the women. These are powerful rich men. Before social media/internet, most of this would have just gotten swept under the rug. Now with social media, when you talk about this stuff, you find out you're not alone, that you have support etc.

And the wall isn't going to happen, and for sure he lied about Mexico paying for it.

There is no proof of anything crooked with the President. What proof do you have? You sound like CNN speculating again. His problem is his twitter and mouth, all it would take is to tone down a bit.

I dont agree Sanders to be some progressive, it was pandering to entitled millenials looking for free everything.

Lie? Its a political mess for Congress pandering in the swamp. The Mexican govt will pay for the wall with import tariffs soon to be announced.

Why do you post nit picking videos? You sound like CNN criticizing Melanias shoes.

 

[Kate]

So the plan is to become self-sufficient like North Korea ?

 

[offthehandle]

So the plan is to become self-sufficient like North Korea ?

Comparing NK to the US? Thats absurd. The US does not need anything from Europe. This has been a one way street since WW2. US pays. What am I missing? Importing Luxury items like Swiss chocolate and watches and French perfume and Wine and German Mercedes and BMW and UK Range Rovers.? For the rich only, they can pay double with a huge luxury import tax. Please nothing exported I know of is really necessary. Who exports food? The US. Especially California and the Mid West soybean and Grain. Who imports it? Sure the US might need Olive oil from Spain, thats a staple. Solar and Fracking solve the energy problems for the most part with the US overconsumption of oil and energy in their oversized SUV’s. There isnt much the US needs from anyone outside the US if you remove the politics with pragmatism. Look at Brazil, self sufficient without really any necessary imports but never seem to figure it out unfortunately, sad.

 

[Kate]

Comparing NK to the US? Thats absurd.

No it's the most accurate comparison. You have the perfect example of a country isolated from the rest of the world and pursuing a policy of self-sufficiency. Which seems to be exactly what you are advocating.

There isnt much the US needs from anyone outside the US if you remove the politics with pragmatism. Look at Brazil, self sufficient without really any necessary imports but never seem to figure it out unfortunately, sad.

Sure no problem, go tell China you will no longer import from them, and they will stop servicing your debt, and the US dollar will immediately collapse like the Ponzi scam that it is. If there is one country that is completely dependent on the rest of the world, it's the US. I'm afraid lessons are always going to be learned the hard way. And after going through suffering it's not even certain people are actually going to learn...

 

[mr-x]

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[offthehandle]

. If there is one country that is completely dependent on the rest of the world, it's the US. I

Thats the Globalists and George Soros agenda, but won’t happen. The US was (maybe still is) the most powerful economic power that will ever be. The most innovative meanwhile the most copied by competitors worldwide. The most sought after immigration destination also obviously.

BTW, I watched in person hundreds of auctions early 1990’s. The Chinese came over and bought up tons of manufacturing equipment at firesale prices and parts to clone made in the USA, under Clinton who allowed this informal tech transfer I saw these machines and technology bought by Chinese, great democratic leadership thanks to the Clintons. Giving away the main West coast Harbor to import Chinese under COSCO control, another brilliant move by the Globalist Clinton groups.

US dollar is used also internal to the US and if it were to be withdrawn and the US is self sufficient, who cares if you dont do external trading, no problem. Default on the Chinese debt, and thats that. Poof.

Its fun to debate and speculate on this stuff, but we all know nothing would ever happen like this. Btw as you know, ALL paper money is a ponzi scheme and manipulated by gov’ts.

 

[JB Lions]

There is no proof of anything crooked with the President. What proof do you have? You sound like CNN speculating again. His problem is his twitter and mouth, all it would take is to tone down a bit.

I dont agree Sanders to be some progressive, it was pandering to entitled millenials looking for free everything.

Lie? Its a political mess for Congress pandering in the swamp. The Mexican govt will pay for the wall with import tariffs soon to be announced.

Why do you post nit picking videos? You sound like CNN criticizing Melanias shoes.

Nit picking videos. Part of it was that, just a reminder of the nonsense with Obama, birth certificate, oh he doesn't have a flag pin on etc. But also part fair game with Trump. Especially for somebody that constantly goes on Twitter talking about the flag, patriotism etc. He does look lost. I don't think he knows the words to the Anthem. His son and wife seem to know more when to put your hand over your heart, stuff like that. Maybe we should play the Russian anthem and we'll not only get the words but maybe a little dance as well.

Your own isolationist spiel is just beyond ridiculous, wouldn't even know where to start with that one, but you're sounding a lot like Bannon.

Crookedness with Trump? Are you serious? Are you looking for business crookedness? I think we went thru his moral crookedness pretty thoroughly, short version:

he partied and was good friends with convicted pedophile Epstein
supported Moore, some pedo
there is a child rape allegation
multiple allegations he walked in on underage girls undressing
multiple sexual assault allegations
on tape "grab them by the......"
on tape talking about dating some 10 year old girl when she gets older as she was going up the escalator
on tape many times talking sexually about Ivanka
on tape talking about legs and boobs of 1 year old daughter

We know he lacks decency, with what he has said about POW's, mocking disabled people, every ethnicity imaginable etc.

Business crookedness, just off the top of my head:
Race discrimination from renting out properties

Long list of stiffing small businesses for work done

Trump Foundation

Trump University

Now it looks like money laundering as well. He's not releasing his taxes for a reason. He's scared to death of them looking into his personal finances for a reason.

 

[JB Lions]

Catching up, looks like that Fusion GPS testimony just got released:

https://twitter.com/search?q="Fusion GPS"&src=tren

Feinstein released it, you can read and download if you want - https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/pu...D915E97709D2F.simpson-transcript-redacted.pdf

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Steve Bannon to Step Down From Breitbart Post
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/steve-bannon-to-step-down-from-breitbart-post/ar-BBIaMpC

 

[mr-x]

Trump opens immigration meeting to press and destroys democrats "mentally unstable" b/s.

Trump's not playing 4d chess, he's playing upside down monopoly, all the pieces are shoes and he's using them to kick each one of the democrats in the ass.

 

[GILSAN]

 

[JB Lions]

Trump opens immigration meeting to press and destroys democrats "mentally unstable" b/s.

Trump's not playing 4d chess, he's playing upside down monopoly, all the pieces are shoes and he's using them to kick each one of the democrats in the ass.

So you didn't actually watch it did you? Because if anything, it just furthers the case. First, we'll figure out DACA by itself, then address the other stuff. Then flip flop and say it's part of the overall package. It's not very stable when you can't remember what you said minutes prior. Master negotiator? Whatever you give me, I'll just sign it?

Trump contradicts self repeatedly in immigration meeting
http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/09/politics/donald-trump-immigration-contradictions/index.html

 

[offthehandle]

Ok, birth certificate issue:
I suppose this video and its authors isn’t credible?
Seems pretty fishy to me.

 

[JB Lions]

Ok, birth certificate issue:
I suppose this video and its authors isn’t credible?
Seems pretty fishy to me.

Wow, I'm sure you can go start some conspiracy thread, keep all the crazy in one place.

 

[JB Lions]

Back to reality, Trump

"As I made very clear today, our country needs the security of the Wall on the Southern Border, which must be part of any DACA approval"
Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 2h2 hours ago

He's literally on tape, responding to Feinstein saying DACA will be treated first, then the other stuff.

So that's not stability, that's somebody who just flip flopped, who can't even remember what he just said. Watch the video. We'll do DACA first, then we'll do Phase 2. It's funny the chess commment. I like to have Chess level Presidents, not ones like Trump who would struggle playing Checkers.

 

[offthehandle]

Thats quite a compliment to say I sound like Bannon. Thanks. He is radical, and when radical problems exist, radical solutions are required. The USA was sold out years ago like with Jimmy “do nothing” Carter, the economy was messed up with 12-15% interest rates, his great big achievement was being Santa Claus. “regalale el canal a panamá”. Things have gone down hill since. I voted the last time for Ross Perot. Both Bushes created more problems, including the Patriot act so as a democrat I would think you might agree with that as be a guise for keeping the states safe, it was simply a destruction of privacy. Clinton thats another story. Reagan was the only one I liked.

I say tariff all imports like some of Latin America does.

Back to Amazon, that monopoly growing daily, I am thinking like an old boss I had years ago- he called himself a benevolent dictator yep.

So you can get all your goodies delivered at home, meanwhile 10% of their workforce is subsidized by tax payers on food stamps?
https://www.thedailybeast.com/study-more-than-one-in-ten-amazon-employees-in-ohio-are-on-food-stamps

All farm subsidies should be eliminated too. I mean, to stabilize prices not to grow? Thats nonsense. Especially the geniuses with giving deals to Tobacco farmers. I dont know which of the swamp is responsible, but thats idiotic.

Its a mess, nobody can fix it with a nation so divided. All that Trump is trying to piece by piece repair, some will work, some wont. I dont think you pointed out anything criminal, only some various idiotic things Trump has said which are being put under a microscope. Mysoginist? Producing beauty pageants? I dont think so. Telling Rosie Odonnell she was fat and ugly I wouldnt consider that anything but the politically incorrect truth.

I’ve only heard one side on his not paying contractors for whatever reason, no details though. The RE University, another thing I heard bits and pieces one side only.