The USA Political Thread

Yep, its starting to look a little like 1933 all over again

 

It should be expected that the tourism industry will take a hit.
Foreigners will think twice before spending their holidays (and money) in a country ruled by a moron, that decides to arbitrarily bar certain people from entering just because of their nationality. Even if you're white and speak English, would you feel welcome in a country like that ?
Go ahead, Donald. Crash the economy. You're strong, you can do it. To hell with the world, America needs nobody.

 

Trump's latest blatant self dealing scam.

Membership at The President's "private club" has doubled its initiation fee (from a year ago) to $200,000 after Trump elected.

Membership buy's access to what Trump is now calling "the Winter White House".

Bottom line, he is selling access and influence of the office of President while he personally enriches himself.

Con man, nah.

 

Donald Trump signs executive order banning immigrants from 7 Muslim countries.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...xpands-power-military-extreme-vetting-n713336

Well, Trump is sticking to his campaign promises. Good for our country.

 

Obama bowing down to the Business Partner

 

The immigration ban is great news for ISIS. Every president before Trump ( even Bush ), has had the intelligence to understand that it helps the terrorists to convince the Muslim world that America is anti-Muslim. The greater the number of Muslims who believe America hates them, the easier it becomes to recruit new members. The ban will do nothing to prevent terrorists from entering the US since they can easily find people from non-banned countries to send over. Also, as we've seen over the last few years, they're learned how to radicalize people over the internet and the ban will do nothing to stop that.

Now that Trump is in office and taking the first steps of what will be perceived as an anti-Muslim crusade, what we can expect to see is greater numbers of American Muslims feeling like their country hates them. I'd expect an uptick in terrorist attacks as a consequence of Trump's actions, not the opposite.

 

Only time will tell...

 

Can you explain how more terrorism will be good for the country?

How Trump Just Made America Less Safe

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/5888fe22e4b0628ad613ddb2?timestamp=1485553271822

(The 19 hijackers implicated in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attack came from Egypt, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates. None of those countries will be subject to what Mr. Trump described as “new vetting measures.”)

‘I am heartbroken’: Malala criticizes Trump for ‘closing the door on children’ fleeing violence
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/‘i-am-heartbroken’-malala-criticizes-trump-for-‘closing-the-door-on-children’-fleeing-violence/ar-AAmlII3?li=BBnb7Kz

Trump refugee ban causes chaos, panic, anger worldwide
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...s-panic-anger-worldwide/ar-AAmlRy9?li=BBnb7Kz

Refugees Detained at U.S. Airports, Prompting Legal Challenges to Trump’s Immigration Order
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/refugees-detained-at-us-airports-prompting-legal-challenges-to-trump’s-immigration-order/ar-AAmlusq?li=BBnb7Kz

He's going to wind up as the worst president we've ever had, such an idiot.

 

The USSA getting more dystopian by the day.
How long until that clown is impeached ?

 

Completely agree discobull. Trump and his admin are a disaster in the making. This crap has Bannon written all over it. Former executive chair of Breitbart News and a determined racist.

 

Fantastic logic. First, based on your own words, you do believe that Muslims can be easily recruited to become terrorists. That in itself is worrisome. At the same time, how many Christians, Buddhists, Hindus and Jews do you think would be influenced to become terrorists? None?? Right!

So for a Muslim to become a terrorist, all the motivation they need is for someone to tell them that some country is Anti-Muslim.. right? And then they will sign up in hordes for their holy jihad. How wonderful this peace loving religion is. How nice it would be, if you yourself, could shelter some of these peaceful loving refugees in your own home. Have you done so yet?

Now, how about a situation where America invites a million of these so called "refugees" amongst whom there will definitely be many terrorists infiltrating in the guise of persecuted youth and wannabe students. Just like how Europe has had fun opening it's borders to these people?

So, based on your ideas and well wishes for America, we should open our borders and wave friendship flags and invite a million refugees. Now, once these peace loving innocent youth and persecuted people step foot in here, what guarantee do we have that they won't play the same mind games and recruit people right here? Hell,.. in a year or two, we might have these ISIS recruiting offices right here in all our 50 states!

I'd rather have these refugees stay right where they are and think whatever they want to think about America. We don't need them to tag us as "Friendly" or "Non-Friendly". Nobody cares about what they think. America is a land of immigrants, but not for those who wish to come here and harm us. Let them recruit abroad and we can target their training camps and eliminate them right where they are. It would be more difficult to target them if they lived amongst us.

After 9/11, thanks to these jihadis, we Americans started losing our right to privacy, started being strip searched at airports and a whole lot of our basic freedoms were just lost. Imagine the day when we invite millions of them here...whatever little freedom we have will be lost too in the name of national security.

I totally agree with what President Trump did. Better play safe than regret.

 

Wrong, it is just the pretense and catalyst 'they' needed to turn the US into a militarized police state. But the groundwork had already been laid. The real target is you, Americans are the target, and that's why the NSA is monitoring your calls because every American is now an enemy of the State. You got what you wanted.

What Trump is doing now is just overt racism, has nothing to do with terrorism and will not do any good.
Let's talk about the number of innocent Iraqis and Afghans etc that America killed in the name of the war on terror. Then tell me who is the biggest terrorist. The figures don't lie.

Message received, foreigners are not welcome in the US. I hope the number of tourists drops to zero, then perhaps you will start to understand you're undermining your own principles and interests.
Again, a country cannot be run like a corporation, it doesn't work.

 

Interesting you mention 9/11, without addressing this part:

"(The 19 hijackers implicated in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attack came from Egypt, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates. None of those countries will be subject to what Mr. Trump described as “new vetting measures.”)"

If you want to start banning Muslims from countries, wouldn't you start from the countries where the terrorists actually came from? Maybe Trump has some business dealings he wants to protect.

"President Trump’s most recent executive order effectively bans citizens of seven Muslim-majority countries from entering the U.S. for at least 90 days — but some Muslim countries were spared from the order's blacklist, even though they have deep-seated ties to terrorism.

Conspicuously, Trump doesn't hold any business interests in any of the countries on the list, but holds major stakes in several of those excluded from it, records show."


And this comment is just out there.

"America is a land of immigrants, but not for those who wish to come here and harm us."

They come here to escape that nonsense and have a better life. Probably just like some of your relatives back in the day.

One of the people detained today was an engineer, that served the U.S. military mission in Iraq. Way to treat him.

The way this has been handled is a straight mess.

 

I find it fascinating that Trump has seized on the executive order as his key tool to create laws without any political consensus from across the aisle. This is Obama's legacy. The same people who were fine with Obama going around constitutional safeguards to roll over the "obstructionists" now find the shoe on the other foot.

They made their bed, now it's time to lie in it.

 

It's quite frankly hard to know where to start addressing such a barrage of nonsense. For starters, my assessment of how easily people can be recruited to commit acts of barbarism is not exclusive to Muslims as you claim, it's pretty much universal. Sadly, there is a segment of humanity -- regardless of nationality, religion, or race -- that is capable of either directly committing atrocities or turning a blind eye to them the minute anyone provides them with anything that even remotely resembles justification. Nazi Germany is a perfect illustration of that point despite the near total absence of Muslims among that population.

Moving on, your apparent belief that only Muslims can be be influenced to become terrorists is humorous for a couple of reasons. First, because it suggests a staggering degree of ignorance. Timothy McVeigh, Dylan Roof, the Unabomber, Michael Page, Eric Rudolph, are a few examples of lone wolf type non-Muslim domestic terrorists. On top of that, we have groups like the KKK, and a whole host of white nationalist militia groups that have either committed or plotted to commit a steady stream of domestic attacks over the years (ever read a newspaper?) .

But, there's another reason that makes your sense of moral superiority to Muslims even more laughable. You seem to buy into the simpleminded idea that since many terrorists are Muslims, that that's proof that Muslims are by nature more prone to evil. You apparently haven't yet figured out that the reason certain groups or nations resort to terrorism is because that's the only means they have of waging war. So, for example, if we as a nation don't commit acts of terrorism ( in the strictest sense of the word ) against a country like Iraq, it's not because we're better people, it's because it would be stupid to attack using suicide bombers when we can blow Iraqis up from the safety of actual bombers. Meanwhile, even though we killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians ( ie the equivalent of a few hundred 9/11's ) and effectively destroyed the lives of about 25 million Iraqis, people like you still manage to feel that Muslims have cornered the market on evil. I promise you that if we handed ISIS some nukes, an air-force, a navy, etc. , that they'd instantly stop being terrorists and start killing us in a manner you deem more civilized.

As far as how easy it is to convince people to commit acts of terror, as I recall, 70% of Americans backed the invasion of Iraq and all that was needed to motivate them to back that atrocity was "for someone to tell them that some country" hates Americans. There are about 1.6 billion Muslims in the world. Imagine how much trouble we'd be in if the day ever came when 70% of Muslims became as gullible/stupid as Americans.

As I said earlier, among every group on the planet there are people who will happily descend into barbarism the minute they're convinced another group is a threat to them. In Syria, those people are called ISIS while in America they're called Trump supporters. The only difference between those two groups is the belief that the other group "started it". Let's recall that Trump favors torture, the killing of innocent civilians, and more broadly responding in kind to ISIS's atrocities. In other words, the man you support is not much different than the people we call our enemies. So how hard was it to convince you to embrace Trump's brand of terrorism? Clearly not that hard at all.

 

Yeah, because until Obama came along, no president had ever issued executive orders.

President -- # of executive orders
Reagan - 308
Bush ( one term ) - 166
Clinton - 308
GWB - 291
Obama - 276

If we go further back in history, we have Roosevelt at 3,522, Eisenhower at 484, Truman at 907, and Hoover at 968.

And btw, is it hypocritical to have been opposed to Obama's executive orders while supporting Trump's, or is it only hypocritical in the other direction?

 

Executive order is a presidential prerogative, it's not a blank check to trample on freedoms and human rights national and international law.
The man supposed to uphold the Constitution betrayed America. His actions go against fundamental democratic principles (including the Constitution), which is abuse of power.

Exactly, Americans are not even feeling any guilt for it and right now, Trump supporters approve what's happening, try to justify it (or stay silent). Not different than what happened in the 30s. And they still think they are the good guys, they are not being intolerant or possibly terrorists themselves. They don't even realize they have started to look like their enemies. This is what happens when you stoop to the level of your enemies.

America doesn't command any respect nowadays. It doesn't stand for freedom any more (since a long time). It's becoming a tinpot banana republic and is probably going to follow Venezuela's path. Americans brought it upon themselves, not because of Isis or some external enemies. Nobody forced you to stop acting like a civilized nation.

 

That's right enlytend, add to that the fact that 15 of the 19 "hijackers" were Saudis. Our Govt wont apply sanctions on Saudi Arabia because they want to keep the flow of "cheap" oil flowing to the US.

In the end, to address the root of our "terrorism" problems American politicians need to stop bowing to Saudi and Israeli influence. They continually sell out our safety and the lives of our enlisted to wars that those two countries are happy to watch us fight for them. Up next, Iran.