The USA Political Thread

[lennco]

Here you can spout your USA political views.

Rules:
1. Keep it clean
2. No fighting
3. Respect the views of others.
4. US Political views, No Religious views
5. Have fun

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[enlytend]

Spycraft is a dirty business, no matter who you’re working for. As CIA his jurisdiction was outside of the US.

Regardless of your “whatabouts” of Brennan’s past work (and if you recall he also ran point in finding and killing Osama Bin Laden), punishing your critics’ free speech is an abuse of presidential power, and shows just how weak and insecure 45 is. He’s looking more and more like Nixon, with his paranoid “enemy lists” every day.

Taking away his clearance was mostly symbolic since he’s not actively needing it now, but it was also short-sighted and stupid.

It was also an attempted distraction from the real issues. He’s running scared.

 

[Domainace]

NRA Gun Activist Eagerly Puts a Dildo In His Mouth. Then yells:
"My mouth is big enough for two of these".

That's both funny and sad. The stupidity runs down the entirety of the political spectrum - serious idiots on both sides. The result of a country that has abandoned serious education and passes out drugs like candy.

 

[Kate]

So America's home-grown Stasi spook, serial liar and torturer is now telling Americans they need to be concerned about the rights he has worked so hard to destroy. And the left are calling him a patriot. This is all one needs to know. For more background on this criminal: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/31/cia-director-john-brennan-lied-senate

To be clear, I was not defending him. I don't have a high opinion of the guy.
I was just pointing out that 45 seems to be engaged once again in a petty revenge operation against the critics. He's not just going after the critics but also intimidating others who might contradict the official narrative.

BTW I don't think a president should have those kinds of discretionary powers, and should be able to sanction, demote or fire people just because he feels like it, especially when they have worked in a previous administration but are no longer in active duty.

 

[enlytend]

That's both funny and sad. The stupidity runs down the entirety of the political spectrum

It’s a well known fact that the ability to be an idiot is totally agnostic to race, religion, gender and political beliefs.

As is the ability to be a good, intelligent and productive person. That’s why labeling groups by broad similarities doesn’t work.

 

[DNWon]

I was just pointing out that 45 seems to be engaged once again in a petty revenge operation against the critics.

Much like you, this guy has called the President of the United States, a traitor! He's a disgrace to the United States and doesn't deserve to have a security clearance while Trump is President! You can call it revenge, I call it a very smart business decision!

BTW I don't think a president should have those kinds of discretionary powers, and should be able to sanction, demote or fire people just because he feels like it, especially when they have worked in a previous administration but are no longer in active duty.

But he does, so he did, and it's done! Once again the media and the lunatics on the left can say how he's trying to suppress Brennan's freedom of speech or intimidate his opponents, but that's just bull$hit! Brennan wouldn't help Trump if he knew of an impending terrorist attack, that's how much he despises him! So his security clearance is absolutely useless to our country or our safety! He'd rather see Americans die then to be perceived as helping Trump, that's how toxic he is at this point! Good riddance, he'll be a regular on CNN now talking about what a traitor Trump is! Just like you do here! It's useless rhetoric!

 

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[Kate]

Much like you, this guy has called the President of the United States, a traitor! He's a disgrace to the United States and doesn't deserve to have a security clearance while Trump is President! You can call it revenge, I call it a very smart business decision!

Brennan just said the truth in this instance... that was treason. Somebody has to say it. Do you have a better word for what happened ?
Other prominent officials have said the same thing in slightly milder, but still harsh terms. For example, Chuck Hagel, Ash Carter, Clapper, Hayden, Albright...
So it's not just one lone critic and you know it. So he's going to have to revoke a lot of clearances.

In fact, the whole of Senate rebuked 45 over the incident:
Senate fires bipartisan Russia warning at Trump
A 98-0 vote.
Even GOP could not endorse that level of treason AND treachery.
The Senate had to step in to make up for 45's lack of spine-bone.

Brennan doesn't work for the current administration, and he does not have to swear allegiance to the president. He is free to speak again. High-ranking officials like those from the intelligence community generally take an oath along these lines: "support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic"
(emphasis is mine)

Yes, Trump is a traitor. But in my opinion GWB is a traitor too. Obama too. Nixon too.
But as far as we know none were acting on behalf of Moscow.
Here we are at a completely different level where personal and foreign interests prevail over American interests.

Don't worry, there are people paying attention. Obviously you aren't one of them.

 

[mr-x]

But he does, so he did, and it's done!

FIFY:

BTW I don't think

 

[mr-x]

Yes, Trump is a traitor. But in my opinion GWB is a traitor too. Obama too. Nixon too.

Did you forget Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan or were they OK?

 

[mr-x]

Brennan just said the truth in this instance...

Brennan's a professional liar who spied on Congress and then denied it happened under oath. He was allowed to hand picked the team that investigated the resulting perjury allegations .

Why would a President let a corrupt enemy who leaks information in exchange for money from a Media company keep a security clearance?

The only thing that can happen to restore trust is a complete declassification of all documents and communications of the O'team hustlers from 2016 Until now.

 

[JB Lions]

New Omarosa tapes, Lara Trump offering her a job, after she was fired. They were going to have her work on Trump's 2020 Campaign:

Some tweets:

"Omarosa just released a new secret tape to MSNBC of Lara Trump offering her a $15,000-a-month job on the Trump re-election campaign. The offer was apparently made just days after she was fired from the administration."

"Omarosa secretly recorded her phone call with Lara Trump immediately following her firing in which Lara Trump offers her $15K per month hush money which would be financed via "small donors for the most part." 'Small donors' ==> that's YOU, MAGA fools."

Basically, trying to buy her silence. Using donations from Trump fans to buy people off.

 

[mr-x]

Not a shocker.

 

[JB Lions]

Trump freaking out about this:

Coast to coast, and in between, local news is standing up to Trump's press attacks

https://money.cnn.com/2018/08/15/media/newspaper-editorials-free-press-trump/index.html

About 350 newspapers all have one thing in common on Thursday: A statement supporting the free press and decrying President Trump's attacks against the media.

him responding:

The Boston Globe, which was sold to the the Failing New York Times for 1.3 BILLION DOLLARS (plus 800 million dollars in losses & investment), or 2.1 BILLION DOLLARS, was then sold by the Times for 1 DOLLAR. Now the Globe is in COLLUSION with other papers on free press. PROVE IT!

There is nothing that I would want more for our Country than true FREEDOM OF THE PRESS. The fact is that the Press is FREE to write and say anything it wants, but much of what it says is FAKE NEWS, pushing a political agenda or just plain trying to hurt people. HONESTY WINS!

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 3h

Somebody talking about honesty, when he's literally the biggest liar we've had in office.

 

[mr-x]

Here's a little common sense re: Brennan.

Trump Was Right To Revoke Former CIA Director Brennan's Security Clearance
https://www.dailywire.com/news/34580/trump-was-right-revoke-former-cia-director-joseph-curl

"Let's say a company like Apple fired an employee. But, for some reason, Apple lets the now ex-employee keep his access to all internal workings of the company — plans for new products, proprietary numbers on sales, everything.

That'd be insane, right? Should that employee happen to be disgruntled, there's no telling what he could do with such information."

Brennan's a known liar and enemy at the heart of a plan to thwart a presidential election. IMO.

 

[Kate]

And what about the other countless critics, including the whole of Senate ? All liars and enemies ?

Past presidents were abundantly criticized but would not brand the press as enemy of the people.
But what we have today is not a real president, but a pathetic, revengeful, spoiled little child. Who is utterly incompetent and unfit for the job, and will never learn what it means to be a real man.

 

[briguy]

Found this interesting a search engine for conservatives https://searchconservative.com/#gsc.tab=0

Wonder (if not already) when the Liberal version will come out!

"Interesting" doesn't mean that I endorse it, just though it was interesting ../

 

[mr-x]

And what about the other countless critics, including the whole of Senate ? All liars and enemies ?

Elected officials have security clearance based on their needs. They are not ex-employees.

Past presidents were abundantly criticized but would not brand the press as enemy of the people.
But what we have today is not a real president, but a pathetic, revengeful, spoiled little child. Who is utterly incompetent and unfit for the job, and will never learn what it means to be a real man.

Yeah.. the press is just as corrupt and petulant as Trump. I have no sympathy for them.

 

[Kate]

"Let's say a company like Apple fired an employee. But, for some reason, Apple lets the now ex-employee keep his access to all internal workings of the company — plans for new products, proprietary numbers on sales, everything.

Very disingenuous argument. First of all, Brennan was not fired. And government does not work like corporations (but of course for 45 there is strictly no difference).
And your comparison doesn't make sense. As far as I know Brennan is retired or semi-retired. He does not enjoy access to "all internal workings" of the State apparatus, just by virtue of holding a security clearance.

He has been commenting on public events that everybody could see on live TV or twitter, that is the erratic conduct of the Potus. Not on some privileged information that only cleared people have access to.

Again, not a fan of the guy, but he's not just one isolated critic. Plenty of people are speaking up, and for good reason.

 

[JB Lions]

haha, if this is true:

Furious Trump told advisers that he wants Jeff Sessions to arrest Omarosa over her book: report

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/08/fu...nts-jeff-sessions-arrest-omarosa-book-report/

"Two former White House officials also tell Sherman that Omarosa has been masterful in the roll out of her book, as it seems her every move is designed purposefully to make Trump explode with rage.

“She is doing everything perfect if her ultimate goal is to troll Trump,” one official explained.

Trump this week has furiously attacked his former aide after she accused him of being racist and in “mental decline” in her book, “Unhinged: An Insider’s Account of the Trump White House.”

She's a snake but she's a snake with audio recordings. She's not the type to stop, kind of like a female Trump.

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“Death Spiral”: Why Omarosa Totally Triggered Trump
The perceived betrayal of a longtime female ally, and her perfectly executed Trumpian tactics, made the feud too personal to ignore.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/08/death-spiral-why-omarosa-totally-triggered-trump

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just found this funny, Roger Stone having a Nixon tattoo on his back:

 

[mr-x]

Very disingenuous argument. First of all, Brennan was not fired. And government does not work like corporations (but of course for 45 there is strictly no difference).
And your comparison doesn't make sense.

A ) Ex Apple employee with clearance can talk to current employees about classified projects.

B ) Ex CIA employee with clearance can talk to current employees about classified projects.

How many people need security clearances? No-one in the Gov should be asking Brennan what he thinks about anything.

As far as I know Brennan is retired or semi-retired. He does not enjoy access to "all internal workings" of the State apparatus, just by virtue of holding a security clearance.

Then why does he need one?

He has been commenting on public events that everybody could see on live TV or twitter, that is the erratic conduct of the Potus. Not on some privileged information that only cleared people have access to.

Again, not a fan of the guy, but he's not just one isolated critic. Plenty of people are speaking up, and for good reason.

You don't think Brennan is erratic because you agree with him. Nothing is stopping Brennan from speaking out about anything. A security clearance is a privilege.

** you have no idea what information Brennan shared with media off the record.