The USA Political Thread

[lennco]

Here you can spout your USA political views.

Rules:
1. Keep it clean
2. No fighting
3. Respect the views of others.
4. US Political views, No Religious views
5. Have fun

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[enlytend]

China approves Donald Trump-branded spas, escort services, hotels and massage parlours without US Congress permission

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...spas-escort-services-hotels-and-a7619136.html

 

[JB Lions]

China approves Donald Trump-branded spas, escort services, hotels and massage parlours without US Congress permission

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...spas-escort-services-hotels-and-a7619136.html

Escort services? Like Grandfather, like Grandson:

"Several years later, in 1891, he moved to the Northwest. He made his fortune by operating restaurants and boarding houses in Seattle and the mining town Monte Cristo, and brothels in the Klondike Gold Rush.[1][2] He later returned to Kallstadt and married. When authorities found that he had emigrated when young to avoid fulfilling his military service, he lost his Bavarian citizenship; he and his family returned to the United States."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Trump

 

[enlytend]

Escort services? Like Grandfather, like Grandson:

AND massage parlors. Classy.

 

[johname]

 

[enlytend]

Whiney little snowflake - everybody’s “unfair”. Boo hoo.

 

[E-Promote]

Escort services? Like Grandfather, like Grandson:

The rotten apple doesn't fall far from the tree, in fact, it often falls right on the roots, feeding the whole rotten system.

 

[E-Promote]

Whiney little snowflake - everybody’s “unfair”. Boo hoo.

Far right dolts often project their own feelings onto others. That's the origin of the "snowflake" use against their perceived enemies. Fact is, majority are just beta sycophantic pawns looking for an alpha leader.

 

[offthehandle]

Speaking of which, the US is a regular deadbeat at the UN for not paying its dues, thus depriving the organization of much-needed money, because obviously it is the biggest contributor.
Surprise: it's still not in the list of member countries who are up to date with their contributions to the general budget: http://www.un.org/en/ga/contributions/honourroll.shtml

Also, the US is the only country that is not committing to any effort as part of the fight against climate change.
Instead it prefers to let the rest of the world fend off for itself, in spite of being a major polluter.

Depriving who? A bunch of socialist do gooders in white tanks.
Let them eat exhaust fumes.

The U.S. should exit the UN too and all these bogus international welfare socialism promoting aid organizations. The US taxpayers subsidize the rest of the world and you know it. The G7 meeting today stats showed the entire group of other nations wasting their time blabbing in Canada were with GDP combined was less than the US, by itself. End all imports from deadbeat NATO countries.

Exit the UN, G7, Nato. See what happens. The Crimea peninsula wont be the only thing “annexed”, maybe Frankfurt. Lol.

Meanwhile in Nicaragua today a southern neighbor to the US, that is inching close to civil war and nobody cares in the media or any publicity.

 

[Kate]

The US taxpayers subsidize the rest of the world and you know it.

Hardly. Even when it's true there is always something in return. Loyalty is bought with US money too. Military presence too.

On NATO though, I agree that Europeans should do more, they have never done enough to take their security in their own hands. Now they have to, because the US is no longer the reliable ally it used to be. It has become a semi-adversary. When we have a deluded Russian toy at the WH who has more praise for Putin than traditional Western allies, I understand reason has left the building and we are in big trouble.

But it's the rest of the world, especially China that keeps the US afloat, because you know you are broke. You have a staggering debt that can't be repaid, and Comrade 45 is sending the deficit through the roof.
What do you think will happen the US will be formally defaulting ? It will not be pretty.
Right now China owns you. They have leverage through the debt. Russia also owns your president, I mean the CEO who is moonlighting as a president.

But even the most powerful country (for how long ?) needs the rest of the world. It needs allies. This is where you are squandering capital for no good reason. In the end you are undermining your own country. Now the US is no longer taken seriously. There is no US leadership anymore. Not only that, the US is now against the rest of the world (the fight against climate change).

So the world is moving ahead without you, and even against you. It has to. History is not kind to losers and laggards.

End all imports from deadbeat NATO countries.

Deadbeat who ?

 

[mr-x]

Speaking of which, the US is a regular deadbeat at the UN for not paying its dues, thus depriving the organization of much-needed money, because obviously it is the biggest contributor.
Surprise: it's still not in the list of member countries who are up to date with their contributions to the general budget: http://www.un.org/en/ga/contributions/honourroll.shtml

Also, the US is the only country that is not committing to any effort as part of the fight against climate change.
Instead it prefers to let the rest of the world fend off for itself, in spite of being a major polluter.

The UN is a corrupt bureaucracy with a record of abusing children, elevating dictators and terrorist. We withhold money from the UN for good reasons.

 

[mr-x]

Crossift Inc fires executive for supporting an affiliate gym's refusal to celebrate "LGBTQIXYZ Pride".

"Therefore, if you’re gay and proud, shout it from the rooftops; if you’re of another belief, shut the ____ up" ~CEO Crossfit Inc.

Kicker: Gym refused to join celebration because "pride" is contrary to their motto of humility in all things. Nothing to do with gay unicorns.

The left's new motto, "conform".


https://www.redstate.com/alexparker/2018/06/08/gay-pride-cross-fit-russell-berger/

 

[RogueWriter]

AND massage parlors. Classy.

They should name them "Dressed In Blue" and feature replicas of the Oval Office to honor President Clinton.

 

[RogueWriter]

The Trump administration believes Obamacare’s preexisting conditions protections are now unconstitutional
https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/policy-and-politics/2018/6/7/17440120/obamacare-penalty-lawsuit-trump-brief

Over 130 million Americans have some pre existing condition, NOT counting the elderly. These people could have coverage denied or limited.

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This isn’t getting the headlines, but they’re also going after age rating protections. These are the protections that keep insurers from charging premiums rates to older people that are more than x times what they charge the youngest adult age group. Over 50? Your premiums could skyrocket.

Fortunately for us, under Obama our healthcare premiums shrank tremendously. Oh wait, that's right, adding tens of thousands of government staff to monitor and enforce tens of thousands of pages of poorly written law increased healthcare costs massively, and turned most healthcare insurance policies into 'catastrophic healthcare insurance policies' only. This is my bad, I completely forgot that the best way to reduce costs was to add billions of dollars worth of bureaucracy into an annual budget.

 

[Kate]

The UN is a corrupt bureaucracy with a record of abusing children, elevating dictators and terrorist. We withhold money from the UN for good reasons.

The same could be said about the Catholic Church, Red Cross and others.
But then why stay.
Speaking of elevating dictators and terrorists, isn't is what 45 is doing ? Praising Duterte, Putin etc. Turning a blind eye on chemical and nuclear terrorism from Russia, annexation of Crimea, invasion of Ukraine, interference in foreign countries etc.

In other news: 45 once again making an about-face on trade after levying trade sanctions against partners.
Report: Trump Pitches ‘No Tariffs’ at G7 Meeting
Just can't seem to make up his mind.
It's the same guy calling off a meeting with Kim to salvage it a few days alter, coming back to the negotiation table like a beggar. To negotiate nothing, because Kim has already won recognition and legitimation.

Says one thing then the exact opposite the very next day. How can you take him seriously or have a rational discussion. He first needs to sort out his own inner confusion.

 

[mr-x]

The same could be said about the Catholic Church, Red Cross and others. But then why stay.

None of those are Gov institutions. The UN is not a charity or religion.

Catholic Church and Red Cross provide actual healthcare, vocational training where it's needed. Protestant missionaries fly to inaccessible places around the world to care for others. The can do this because they are apolitical.

Instead of trying to defend the UN by criticizing others, why not tell us what good if any, it does?

Speaking of elevating dictators and terrorists, isn't is what 45 is doing ? Praising Duterte, Putin etc. Turning a blind eye on chemical and nuclear terrorism from Russia, annexation of Crimea, invasion of Ukraine, interference in foreign countries etc.

In other news: 45 once again making an about-face on trade after levying trade sanctions against partners.
Report: Trump Pitches ‘No Tariffs’ at G7 Meeting
Just can't seem to make up his mind.
It's the same guy calling off a meeting with Kim to salvage it a few days alter, coming back to the negotiation table like a beggar. To negotiate nothing, because Kim has already won recognition and legitimation.

Says one thing then the exact opposite the very next day. How can you take him seriously or have a rational discussion. He first needs to sort out his own inner confusion.

 

[Kate]

Instead of trying to defend the UN by criticizing others, why not tell us what good if any, it does?

It's up to you to tell me, since you are still in it for some reason (but still balk at paying membership fees).
Don't give me a cookie-cutter answer please.

Poorly-run organization ? Possibly. But so is government. Doesn't mean eradicating government is the answer, that is until you come up with a better solution.

However the US is not sitting idle at the UN, it is using its veto to protect Israel while it's continuing to occupy Palestine, steal land and expel people from their homes and commit war crimes and human rights violations on a massive scale. The only reason why Israel is able to get away with it is because of US support. Thus the US is making a lot of enemies not just in the Arab world.
In exchange for what ?
That so-called friendship is very one-sided, and Israel is a huge liability for America.

At least the Obama administration tried to take a more critical stance toward Israel. Probably because he also saw Bibi for what he is, someone who is mischievous and dangerous, and increasingly authoritarian. He's not someone who can make deals and compromise. He's definitely not interested in peace through a two-state solution. But occupation is an impasse.

Anyway, you guys are creating your own terrorists.

 

[mr-x]

It's up to you to tell me, since you are still in it for some reason (but still balk at paying membership fees).
Don't give me a cookie-cutter answer please.

I'm not unhappy about the USA withholding funds from the UN for reason. Use Google to support your arguments. Or just blame the Catholics.

Poorly-run organization ? Possibly. But so is government. Doesn't mean eradicating government is the answer, that is until you come up with a better solution.

However the US is not sitting idle at the UN, it is using its veto to protect Israel while it's continuing to occupy Palestine, steal land and expel people from their homes and commit war crimes and human rights violations on a massive scale. The only reason why Israel is able to get away with it is because of US support. Thus the US is making a lot of enemies not just in the Arab world.
In exchange for what ?
That so-called friendship is very one-sided, and Israel is a huge liability for America.

Israel is our ally. Hamas is a terrorist organization funded by our enemies. If Palestine wants peace, they should renounce violence.

Pretty simple.

At least the Obama administration tried to take a more critical stance toward Israel. Probably because he also saw Bibi for what he is, someone who is mischievous and dangerous, and increasingly authoritarian.

This is a blanket condemnation of every leader you don't agree with. Where was the last legit democratic election held in the middle East?

He's not someone who can make deals and compromise. He's definitely not interested in peace through a two-state solution. But occupation is an impasse.

Anyway, you guys are creating your own terrorists.

Shorter: Terrorism is our fault for resisting terrorism.

 

[mr-x]

"In the last several decades the Palestinian leadership has missed one opportunity after the other and rejected all the peace proposals it was given. It is about time the Palestinians take the proposals and agree to come to the negotiations table or shut up and stop complaining."
— MBS

People condemning the USA for support Israel should remember, they are our Ally. They are the ONLY secular democracy in the middle East that treats Jews, Muslims, Christians, Buddhist, Atheist citizens equally.

Try having a Gay pride parade in Iran.

 

[mr-x]

 

[Kate]

Israel is our ally. Hamas is a terrorist organization funded by our enemies.

Possibly, but why do they exist ? Maybe there is a good reason ?

If Palestine wants peace, they should renounce violence.

Israel needs to end occupation and stop violence against Palestinians. Only then they can expect peace and security. Israel is the occupant.
Israel steals land, and evicts people from their homes to raze them to the ground. Palestinians are subject to forced evictions, they are also harassed by armed settlers who are protected by IDF, that does nothing to prevent abuse. They are subject to apartheid rule, living in a virtual concentration camp, with very limited or no freedom of movement.
It's not me saying this, but the UN, with endorsement from the majority of countries including allies.

It's so bad at the UN that the US now can only muster support from a few Third World nations, and it still has to bully them and most likely bribe them. Even allies cannot condone your nonsense foreign policy which is suicidal and counter-productive.
I say pressure Israel hard, and Palestine too, and drive them to a peace settlement that is just. But the US is so biased and one-sided on this issue that it cannot be a trusted peace broker. The US is the enabler of persistent injustice in the ME.

Pretty simple.

And yet....

This is a blanket condemnation of every leader you don't agree with. Where was the last legit democratic election held in the middle East?

The democratic label is cheap.
Israel is a fake democracy like the US, it has fair elections but violates human rights massively either at home or abroad. Respect for human rights is the true measure of freedom (or the lack thereof).
By that measure both USA and Israel fare poorly.[/QUOTE]