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For this, let's assume that .tel will not be a total flop.

What type of keywords will be most valuable for this extension? Will it be geographical keywords, like newyork.tel, losangeles.tel, etc, or what else?
 
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kprobe said:
Freebee: create dot.tel business card images to link from your website to your dot.tel or even to print out. Got two background image formats so far. If you think of more I'll be happy to add or adjust. Just my way of helping promote dot.tel.
bizcards.tel
Mark

Thanks, Mark!
 
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Looks like a nice idea :)

I think you should change the two "examples" though (in the top-left and top-right corners). They're difficult to read because you've shrunk them and this I think reflects badly on your service.

Btw, it's not "dot.tel"; it's "dotTEL" or ".tel".
dot.tel would be read as "dot dot tel".
:yell:



edit;

I have a question about Name.com...
If I push a .TEL domain from my Name.com account to someone else's Name.com account, will the person receiving the name (i.e. the new owner of the name) be able to create their OWN Telhosting account to manage the .tel details? Ifso, how would they do this? ....Or will they need to share my Telhosting account..
 
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RUPERT said:
Looks like a nice idea :)

I think you should change the two "examples" though (in the top-left and top-right corners). They're difficult to read because you've shrunk them and this I think reflects badly on your service.
Done.

RUPERT said:
Btw, it's not "dot.tel"; it's "dotTEL" or ".tel".
dot.tel would be read as "dot dot tel".
:yell:
Ah yes, thanks. We have to be consistent.
 
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.tel subscribes to one concept that 50% of websites these days should be doing.
KISS
Keep it Simple Stupid
 
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If the .tel is not supposed to function like any other TLD, what on earth are you pushing it for on the WWW ?

If it were truly an application specific for the new devices, off Port 80, what are you doing serving up web pages over http?

The truth is, .tel is aching to compete with *any* other TLD - but its functions are castrated from birth: the DNS might be a cool, 1024bit secure piece of data but when Joe Blogger can't use it to host Joe.tel on, what is it good for?

I forgot, Joe is busy these days scribbling his name with latte on the subway windows.
 
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RUPERT said:
I have a question about Name.com...
If I push a .TEL domain from my Name.com account to someone else's Name.com account, will the person receiving the name (i.e. the new owner of the name) be able to create their OWN Telhosting account to manage the .tel details? Ifso, how would they do this? ....Or will they need to share my Telhosting account..

Here is reply from Name.com to my similar situation:

"The system for .tel ownership transfers is
in the process of being created. The current estimate time for the
functionality to be available is 1 week."

Dynadot.com did it within 1 day and moved my .Tel domain to new user with new Tel hosting.
 
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Acroplex said:
...but when Joe Blogger can't use it to host Joe.tel on, what is it good for?

I forgot, Joe is busy these days scribbling his name with latte on the subway windows.

If Joe is scribbling his dot-tel on subway windows, that would indicate that he probably got his dot-tel working just fine.

Plus he gets the girl too :hehe:
 
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StuartP said:
This should be controversial.

Acroplex, thanks for the comments. I could see your point here if .tel was supposed to function "like any other TLD," but it's a TLD in name only. It's really a way of standardizing contact data in a way that it can be utilized by a multitude of communication devices (mobile phones, computers, etc.). .tel is not about what you the user sees when s/he pulls up Example.tel in his/her browser (so, the "images, audio, video, etc." aren't important) it's what your mobile device “sees” and can do with properly formatted contact data. Read the quote below for clarity’s sake:

IMO, it's still a simple and dull contact page no matter how anybody puts it.

When I posted that earlier in this thread, I didn't see a single response to my claims. This suggests to me that even the folks who are investing heavily in .tel are thinking about .tel addresses as turnkey websites with free hosting, which in my opinion, suggests most don't fully understand what they've purchased.


I think some don't, some do, and some have misconception/misperception of what .tel is all about.

Obviously, toe-to-toe, a standard TLD (.com/.net/.org) will always beat out a .tel if the two are competing as websites. .tel wasn't meant to compete against .com/.net/.org, it was meant to *standardize* contact data (note that, for example, phone numbers on .tel addresses must have the proper country codes or they can't be entered, etc.).

It's on the web, and people go to a .tel site via web browser. People are talking about search engine optimization, development, and increasing traffic.
Aside from the iphone apps (which supports many kinds of apps including yellow pages and more), you still need to use an internet browser to go to a .tel site.

.tel is much more similar to a phone number than a webpage, though it shares some of the characteristics of both. If the folks who have invested heavily in them don't realize this (and soon), it'll become much harder to transfer this idea to the public.

People usually store the numbers instead of memorizing them.

One more try: The beauty of .tel is not what *you* see on the .tel "page," it's that…

(1) The contact data conforms to the same rules across all .tel addresses (so a mobile device knows how to rip and use a phone number regardless if it is asked to do so from Houses.tel, Joe.tel or NickName.tel).

Anybody can set up a mobile website using any TLD to be like .tel contact page where you can call a number with one click on the link. It's not that hard.
People usually store contact information on their phone.

Phone:
1) Click on phone book folder within the phone
2) Click on the phone number to call the number

.Tel Site
1) Activate internet
2) Pay data fee
3) Type in yoursite.tel
4) Click on the link on the .tel site to call

(2) The data is stored not on mobile devices (like contact info is now), but on a central server, so that management of that data (updating, deleting, etc.) is controlled not by the mobile device owner, but by the data-"owner." This means that FINALLY, my friend Jill can change her contact info in MY phone and I don't have to do anything to make that happen. I don't even have to know that she's doing it, because Jill2.tel (assuming Jill.tel is taken) is already in my phone.

But the data stored on the mobile device seems to be much more convenient.
No need to go to the internet and type in the address.
I can create a simple site with my updated phone number or use a social networking site to update my info (phone number). People can easily visit it via the web on the phone or using apps (if the social network site/or other site supports it).

(3) If you follow the vanity number logic, .tel domains will have much higher recall rates than regular phone numbers (see the data below).

I think a lot of people just store the numbers in their mobile device instead of memorizing them.

Acroplex said:
If the .tel is not supposed to function like any other TLD, what on earth are you pushing it for on the WWW ?

If it were truly an application specific for the new devices, off Port 80, what are you doing serving up web pages over http?

The truth is, .tel is aching to compete with *any* other TLD - but its functions are castrated from birth: the DNS might be a cool, 1024bit secure piece of data but when Joe Blogger can't use it to host Joe.tel on, what is it good for?

I forgot, Joe is busy these days scribbling his name with latte on the subway windows.

I always put my domain name with latte on the subway windows. You don't?
:hehe:
 
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onlinelife said:
Here is reply from Name.com to my similar situation:

"The system for .tel ownership transfers is
in the process of being created. The current estimate time for the
functionality to be available is 1 week."

Dynadot.com did it within 1 day and moved my .Tel domain to new user with new Tel hosting.

What more proof do you need that .tel was launched while in beta?

Why isn't there an outrage over this and other scandals, with ICANN approving a TLD of dubious capabilities (and over the top promotions) while denying the launch of .xxx ?

Why did Telnic give the API/tools to the registrars in order to implement the management gateways so late - if not, after the lauch?

Tel rules? Tel sucks.
 
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.Tel's just having some teething issues :red:
 
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Acroplex said:
What more proof do you need that .tel was launched while in beta?

Why isn't there an outrage over this and other scandals, with ICANN approving a TLD of dubious capabilities (and over the top promotions) while denying the launch of .xxx ?

Why did Telnic give the API/tools to the registrars in order to implement the management gateways so late - if not, after the lauch?

Tel rules? Tel sucks.

To begin with .TEL is a new experiment in the Domain Industry thus all the functionality could be rectified after a lot of trial and error. The trial was possible once it when live, thus technically it was live but still in the beta stages..

Moving on, the Domain Name pool that is left from the current TLDs has almost exhausted and thus you need a few new TLDs..

Why .XXX has been denied, I think is understood so we need not go there..

Furthermore, Telnic had already provided most of the API kits and other tools etc. to all the Registrars to implement the Management Gateways.. But as most Registrars were not sure what they would require or how .TEL would turn out they did not accept most of the things provided.

Moreover, I personally think .TEL is a good concept.. I go for .TEL RULES!!!
 
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Galel said:
I thought the timing on this was quite appropriate - Chef Patrick's Domain Comic Strip: http://www.chefpatrick.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/strip30.jpg

:lol:

I must say though, I have told some non-domaining friends my .tel
name and next time I saw them they were like "wow! That's cool,
I went and got (which is available by the way) mycompanyname.tel" "you just say it, and I don't need to dig for a card anymore"

I was a little surprised by their reaction cause before I mentioned
this to them, they used to look at me like I was talking in gibberish
when I talked about domains... :laugh:

It's catchy that's for sure - but it'll just be a giant online phonebook
forever if we can't monetize them the way we'd like.

I love my .tel :p
 
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mis_chiff said:
:lol:

I must say though, I have told some non-domaining friends my .tel
name and next time I saw them they were like "wow! That's cool,
I went and got (which is available by the way) mycompanyname.tel" "you just say it, and I don't need to dig for a card anymore"

I was a little surprised by their reaction cause before I mentioned
this to them, they used to look at me like I was talking in gibberish
when I talked about domains... :laugh:

It's catchy that's for sure - but it'll just be a giant online phonebook
forever if we can't monetize them the way we'd like.

I love my .tel :p

it would be great if end-users have the same reaction when we approach them with our .tel's .
then their monetization will be much easier :blink:
 
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Ok here are my thoughts.
I bought usbanks,tel
What is the possibility of setting it up as a directory
Say
usbanks,tel>Bank Name>State>City>contacts
What is the potential for going to a bank and asking them if they would like to be added to the directory for a small fee. Small as there is relly minimal set up fees other than time.

I as of yet have not found a way to set up a search tool for an individual domain. This is one option that would make the domain much more useful to a directory creator. I dont think it is possible but I could be wrong.

I really dont know if .tel will take off and I dont think anyone does. As of yet people still know very little about the extension. Most people dont even think .net or .biz and some dont even know they exist. Most users just put into a search enging what they are looking for and go to the top 2 or 3 returned listings.

If they cant find the page how will they access it? This is why I think that common saturated keywords are not best for the domain. Individual names should work pretty well, and company names but something like computer.tel is going to be pretty hard to get ranked.

I dont know at this point. Its up in the air. Until it get more attention, I think its just a wait and see.
 
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IMO, .tel helps for the environment. People all over the world would not need use more paper for business cards. They just need domain with .tel.
 
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I said earlier I will post here all news, regardless of positive or negative.

I've just registered an LLL .tel for an associate who just formed his company. The letters are his business acronym of 3 words and it will be perfect as a shorthand and pointer to his developed web site.

For this type of function, I am a supporter.
 
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Any new sales on .Tel?

Any new sales reported on .Tel?

I also own Consolidation*tel
http://www.consolidation.tel

However, its not really configured at this point.
 
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Acroplex said:
I said earlier I will post here all news, regardless of positive or negative.

I've just registered an LLL .tel for an associate who just formed his company. The letters are his business acronym of 3 words and it will be perfect as a shorthand and pointer to his developed web site.

For this type of function, I am a supporter.

Is that a dot tel rules moment? ;)

Still trying to learn how to use Telnic Ajax API. If anybody has any luck with this on their own domains I would love to hear it. Trying to program in the ability to do mass updates. Thinking if I wanted to I could even incorp tweets into the free text area that are updated by the script..

I have looked at Telnic's developer area. Some of the scripting there is understandable I am just missing a vital piece somewhere to the puzzle of interfacing with my telhost.

:bingo: .tel = "the new green business card"
 
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Hooray!

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StuartP: Thank you for this.

Here's my understanding:

Let's say I own HomeForSale[.]tel or Homesforsale[.]tel (I don't, so please don't issue a warning for advertising).

Very generic and expensive terms.

For the first one, I, as a homeowner, could use this domain to sell my own home as a FSBO. In an ad, either print or online, I could simply say,

Elegant New York City Penthouse for Sale.

Contact: HomeForSale[.]tel​

On that site, you could include links to

1. A short description in the Profile section, including price.

2. Website (Werglesnorp13896.com) with all the bells and whistles.

3. A phone number.

4. An email address.

5. Keywords: Exact or general location of property.

6. Keywords: Appropriate keywords as related to high-end real estate.​

Which point of contact is one most likely to remember when he/she walks away from that ad?

HomeForSale.tel

or

Werglesnorp13896.com

???​

The plural is more self-evident; a real estate company that owns this domain could use the subdomains (folders) to feature certain homes at any given time, each folder containing the pertinent info for one home.

The real estate company could also simply use the main page as a portal to a website, email, and phone number.

Rep on its way.

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StuartP said:
This should be controversial.

If you really want to understand the value of .tel, please read this whole post. If you want to constructively challenge the information here, please go right ahead, but let’s stop talking about .tel as a TLD that we can build minimalist web pages on. That's not going to get us where we want to go.


Acroplex, thanks for the comments. I could see your point here if .tel was supposed to function "like any other TLD," but it's a TLD in name only. It's really a way of standardizing contact data in a way that it can be utilized by a multitude of communication devices (mobile phones, computers, etc.). .tel is not about what you the user sees when s/he pulls up Example.tel in his/her browser (so, the "images, audio, video, etc." aren't important) it's what your mobile device “sees” and can do with properly formatted contact data. Read the quote below for clarity’s sake:


When I posted that earlier in this thread, I didn't see a single response to my claims. This suggests to me that even the folks who are investing heavily in .tel are thinking about .tel addresses as turnkey websites with free hosting, which in my opinion, suggests most don't fully understand what they've purchased. Obviously, toe-to-toe, a standard TLD (.com/.net/.org) will always beat out a .tel if the two are competing as websites. .tel wasn't meant to compete against .com/.net/.org, it was meant to *standardize* contact data (note that, for example, phone numbers on .tel addresses must have the proper country codes or they can't be entered, etc.).

.tel is much more similar to a phone number than a webpage, though it shares some of the characteristics of both. If the folks who have invested heavily in them don't realize this (and soon), it'll become much harder to transfer this idea to the public.

One more try: The beauty of .tel is not what *you* see on the .tel "page," it's that…

(1) The contact data conforms to the same rules across all .tel addresses (so a mobile device knows how to rip and use a phone number regardless if it is asked to do so from Houses.tel, Joe.tel or NickName.tel).

(2) The data is stored not on mobile devices (like contact info is now), but on a central server, so that management of that data (updating, deleting, etc.) is controlled not by the mobile device owner, but by the data-"owner." This means that FINALLY, my friend Jill can change her contact info in MY phone and I don't have to do anything to make that happen. I don't even have to know that she's doing it, because Jill2.tel (assuming Jill.tel is taken) is already in my phone.

(3) If you follow the vanity number logic, .tel domains will have much higher recall rates than regular phone numbers (see the data below).

Please, folks, this is a telecom tool, not a TLD. Let's change the discussion and start discussing how we're going to get this idea out there, rather than talk about building "web pages" that are limited from step one. These web pages might be a good way to attempt to monetize in the interim (I say this having plenty that would be suitable for this -- Advertising.tel, Electronics.tel, Shoes.tel, Houses.tel, Tourism.tel, etc.), but they won't be a good way to go in the long run. Someday, I hope to be able to dial Tourism.tel on my phone and have whatever number I've entered on Tourism.tel ring on the other end (no intermediate step of me going to Tourism.tel to look up the number). Similarly, Tourism.tel could forward to the email address listed on Tourism.tel at the time. Just like vanity phone numbers, I could lease or sell the .tel. (And recall rates for vanity phone numbers versus "digits-only" numbers are extraordinarily higher.*)

Everyone, your thoughts? I'd especially like to hear (publicly) from those who have been constructive critics so far -- Acroplex, DubDubDubDot, bmugford, Steven, MicroGuy, etc. -- about these claims. If their opinions change even a little, perhaps folks will stop talking about only realizing the partial value of their .tel addresses through limited development and start talking about bridging the domain/telecom gap.

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*From NumericDomains.com, with permission:

“800response and their friends at Infosurv and e-Rewards teamed up to determine the consumer recall rates of vanity 800 numbers compared with recall rates of numeric toll-free phone numbers that are used in visual and audio advertisements… What they found supports our original supposition that 800 vanity telephone numbers retain significant value that continues to grow over time.

- Over 70% of respondents recall the vanity telephone number over the numeric version.

- Advertisers can expect an 84% improvement in recall rates for vanity 800 numbers vs. numeric phone numbers shown in visual media (TV, billboard, print) - and a much more significant 9-times higher recall rate in the case of audio (radio) ads.

- 58% of consumers prefer to dial a vanity 800 number vs. a numeric toll-free to reach a local business.

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My comment: In addition to the two primary benefits of .tel addresses listed above (the first two numbered points), .tel would mean a VANITY number for everyone. Individuals, businesses, etc. could benefit from those high recall rates. No longer: “Call me at 1-789-555-1234,” but “Call me at JohnDoe5.tel” (and 1-789-555-1234 would be the number your friend’s phone call routes through because it’s listed on JohnDoe5.tel).
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