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Hi

For this, let's assume that .tel will not be a total flop.

What type of keywords will be most valuable for this extension? Will it be geographical keywords, like newyork.tel, losangeles.tel, etc, or what else?
 
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lexisdomains said:
Tip#1
You can track individual NAPTR records (including subdomains) by tracking links only.

This can be done be using a simple link management resource such as budurl.com which creates "tiny trackable keyword urls" which you place on your .tel site.

Check it out in action:

http://www.HotelSuites.tel - tiny url is located on 'Featured Sponsor' section.

Let me know your thoughts,
If I believed I had a .tel that would be getting a lot of traffic, I wouldn't want a makeshift solution like this. I would rather see a PHP/MySQL counter being run from your own server and then do a PHP redirect.
 
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DubDubDubDot said:
If I believed I had a .tel that would be getting a lot of traffic, I wouldn't want a makeshift solution like this. I would rather see a PHP/MySQL counter being run from your own server and then do a PHP redirect.

And to do that, you'd need to redirect a .com to a .tel :D

The Telnic "wizards" already did that: http://www.largeco1.com

largeco.tel is #1 in Google , only because the .com links to it.

BTW, my blog article is right below them.
 
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Acroplex said:
How many hundreds of thousands of refunds will be in place?
:o you have a lot of faith in MySpacers to open their wallets in the first place :p

would have been much wiser to make a deal with Facebook, if they'd even be interested :]
 
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brendan52190 said:
:o you have a lot of faith in MySpacers to open their wallets in the first place :p

would have been much wiser to make a deal with Facebook, if they'd even be interested :]

Yes, I wouldn't underestimate myspace users' intelligence.
They are the new generation net users.

I don't see why facebook will make a deal with .tel.
They are already running a contact page business.
 
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Galel said:
Hi Chuck,
With the .TEL extension you're pretty limited as far as what direction to take a dictionary term, as opposed to a geographic location or a person's name.

I'm confused as to what you'd use mythology, carafe, and thermos.tel for. They seem pretty unfit for this extension IMHO.

Galel


I've just regged them, and haven't thought too much about how I will use them. Create a directory with links to a .com site where the information about a given topic would be.
 
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Acroplex said:
Once/if the Telnic/MySpace deal goes through, I wonder how many ignorant MySpace users will fall prey to the promises of the Ben.tel video and will face a shock when they won't be able to use their $19.95 /year .tel domains for any images, audio, video, etc.
I wouldn't call MySpace users ignorant. We're talking about a very tech savvy generation. One that while they are free spenders, will also avoid spending money online where possible even if it means illegally pirating music and movies.

I just don't see them paying $20 a year for the type of social service that they have become accustomed to receiving for free over the past several years. Even if .tel was free they would still have difficulties building a user base just like any other free social system.

And IF .tel's system gains momentum, I 1000000% guarantee you that someone will swoop in with a free system and cut them down.

chamac said:
I've just regged them, and haven't thought too much about how I will use them. Create a directory with links to a .com site where the information about a given topic would be.
In all of the directory building talk in this thread, I forgot to mention that Google does not look upon directory sites favorably. There are some exceptions, but these tiny .tel directories will never build enough PR to overcome this. Not to mention the problematic content to links out ratio isn't something that can be corrected.
 
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chamac said:
I am posting this here because I wanted people familiar with .tel to provide opinions.
Mods, if it is in the wrong section, move it to the correct one.

I recently decided to "jump" and regged some .tel names. I'd like opinions as to whether or not they are good names. Not their value. The names are:

angry.tel
bodyparts.tel
carafe.tel
carcinoma.tel
cecily.tel
chemo.tel
gesina.tel
gratitude.tel
malware.tel
menorah.tel
milkchocolate.tel
mythology.tel
newjerseyrealestate.tel
poverty.tel
poughkeepsie.tel
ptsd.tel
sobriety.tel
strut.tel
sunnah.tel
thermos.tel
usual.tel
whiteplains.tel

Opinions are appreciated, as I am not always great at choosing names.

Thanks,

Chuck

Hey chuck, nice to hear from you..personally I probably wouldn't have registered any of those names...probably two of the better ones though are newjerseyrealestate.tel (though Im not crazy about the length of it to be honest) and bodyparts.tel (but only out of morbid fascination, lol- might be able to sell to a hospital somewhere or to a black market organ dealer in India).
Some might see uses that I can't for the other names though, it's always good to think outside the box within reason.... what I mean by that is, in the last 5 minutes I just bought byo.tel at name.com for $8.95 (byo is taken in all other tld extensions too)- not sure if my idea will work out just yet but I have at least one advantage in that the name is only 3 letters and is a common abbreviation for 'bring your own wine'... so my plan is to build a small usa based list of restaurants that run byo and not fully licensed only... I believe this may be popular as I know many folks (especially in this economy) would prefer the byo option.... then I may include on this .tel domain, telephone numbers of the restaurants with a cost per call...I will mention of course that there will be a call to be connected, no more than $1 a shot. May not work out but I believe I still have a domain in any case that has some value. This is what I mean by thinking outside the box for development potential and should be a consideration when choosing names too.
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Ms Domainer said:
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Jeez Louise,

We GET your viewpoint already--

Ad nauseam.

You (and a few others) are adding nothing new to this thread, just the same old sniping and whining.

Don't you have a .mobi or .tv thread to trash?

Besides, why do you even care? We already know that you can't build a website or add adsense on .tel.

It's one thing to ask hard questions, but quite another to be simply dismissive of others and their choices.

Here's a suggestion: don't invest in .tel if you think it's a loser TLD. I won't think less of you if you don't. In fact, I don't care.

IMO: add something constructive or move on.


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Ms Domainer said:
Jeez Louise,

We GET your viewpoint already--

Ad nauseam.

You (and a few others) are adding nothing new to this thread, just the same old sniping and whining.

That is because the criticism aspect of this thread is very one sided. There are a lot of valid points being brought up, and the .tel supporters seem to have blinders on and will not respond to them. So these same criticisms are being repeated.

phase111 said:
my plan is to build a small usa based list of restaurants that run byo and not fully licensed only... I believe this may be popular as I know many folks (especially in this economy) would prefer the byo option.... then I may include on this .tel domain, telephone numbers of the restaurants with a cost per call...I will mention of course that there will be a call to be connected, no more than $1 a shot.
It sounds like you've got big plans, as do other .tel developers here.

But there is one question .tel developers are avoiding, and I'd like to see the vocal .tel supporters in this thread finally provide an answer.

Q: Why specifically are you choosing .tel for your directories and not traditional site development?

Myself and others have gone over the downsides of doing this from a .tel, now I want to hear what the upside is. If I have whatever.com, my own host, custom design, directory and ad scripts, tell me why I should drop all of that immediately and put the project on a .tel.
 
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DubDubDubDot said:
If I have whatever.com, my own host, custom design, directory and ad scripts, tell me why I should drop all of that immediately and put the project on a .tel.

1)Because you do not have host.com (and you might probably have host.tel)

2)With .tel you already know you are heading to contact pages; the weakness due to the limitation of the developing side, is compensated by a clear and recognizable .tel branded page. No ads, no pop in, no viruses or malicious codes, light and easy to read on any mobile device.
 
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Changing the .tel Discussion

This should be controversial.

If you really want to understand the value of .tel, please read this whole post. If you want to constructively challenge the information here, please go right ahead, but let’s stop talking about .tel as a TLD that we can build minimalist web pages on. That's not going to get us where we want to go.

Acroplex said:
You cannot use .tel domains like any other TLD. Once/if the Telnic/MySpace deal goes through, I wonder how many ignorant MySpace users will fall prey to the promises of the Ben.tel video and will face a shock when they won't be able to use their $19.95 /year .tel domains for any images, audio, video, etc. How many hundreds of thousands of refunds will be in place?
Acroplex, thanks for the comments. I could see your point here if .tel was supposed to function "like any other TLD," but it's a TLD in name only. It's really a way of standardizing contact data in a way that it can be utilized by a multitude of communication devices (mobile phones, computers, etc.). .tel is not about what you the user sees when s/he pulls up Example.tel in his/her browser (so, the "images, audio, video, etc." aren't important) it's what your mobile device “sees” and can do with properly formatted contact data. Read the quote below for clarity’s sake:

StuartP said:
By far the most convincing attribute of .tel addresses isn't what most blogs are talking about -- quickly updating data, no hosting, etc. -- but that, if apps are developed for mobile phones, instead of having phone numbers in your phone, you could store .tel domains that your friends can update as their info changes (putting your friends in control of *their* contact information stored in *your* phone). This means no more “dead numbers” or emails flying back and forth saying “I changed my number.” There must be 1,000s of Facebook status updates and 100,000s of emails daily that inform people of changes in phone numbers. All of these people would immediately understand what .tel offers: It takes a headache away for them -- and that alone is worth the $10-$15/year to register a .tel.

What does this mean in the short term? It means that .tel addresses could become a new way to contact people (it’s easier to remember than a phone number AND, as the data stored on the .tel changes, those changes will automatically propagate to all the mobile devices the .tel contact is saved on).

What does this mean in the long term? It means that .tel domains could become the new vanity phone numbers. Remember the trade in 1-800 numbers of the 1990s? Many early domainers do – that’s what got them to recognize the scarcity of domains early on.

Additional thought:
I emailed a version of this post to a friend the other day. Let’s say his name is John Doe. Right before I clicked “send,” I thought, “What if on my phone I typed JohnDoe2.tel (assuming JohnDoe.tel is taken) to call my friend and to email him I did the same - just typed JohnDoe2.tel into the email "To" field?” Similar to the discussion above, either my email provider or an app I’m using would identify my friend’s email address from JohnDoe2.tel and send the email to that. I wouldn’t have to remember his email address or look it up.
When I posted that earlier in this thread, I didn't see a single response to my claims. This suggests to me that even the folks who are investing heavily in .tel are thinking about .tel addresses as turnkey websites with free hosting, which in my opinion, suggests most don't fully understand what they've purchased. Obviously, toe-to-toe, a standard TLD (.com/.net/.org) will always beat out a .tel if the two are competing as websites. .tel wasn't meant to compete against .com/.net/.org, it was meant to *standardize* contact data (note that, for example, phone numbers on .tel addresses must have the proper country codes or they can't be entered, etc.).

.tel is much more similar to a phone number than a webpage, though it shares some of the characteristics of both. If the folks who have invested heavily in them don't realize this (and soon), it'll become much harder to transfer this idea to the public.

One more try: The beauty of .tel is not what *you* see on the .tel "page," it's that…

(1) The contact data conforms to the same rules across all .tel addresses (so a mobile device knows how to rip and use a phone number regardless if it is asked to do so from Houses.tel, Joe.tel or NickName.tel).

(2) The data is stored not on mobile devices (like contact info is now), but on a central server, so that management of that data (updating, deleting, etc.) is controlled not by the mobile device owner, but by the data-"owner." This means that FINALLY, my friend Jill can change her contact info in MY phone and I don't have to do anything to make that happen. I don't even have to know that she's doing it, because Jill2.tel (assuming Jill.tel is taken) is already in my phone.

(3) If you follow the vanity number logic, .tel domains will have much higher recall rates than regular phone numbers (see the data below).

Please, folks, this is a telecom tool, not a TLD. Let's change the discussion and start discussing how we're going to get this idea out there, rather than talk about building "web pages" that are limited from step one. These web pages might be a good way to attempt to monetize in the interim (I say this having plenty that would be suitable for this -- Advertising.tel, Electronics.tel, Shoes.tel, Houses.tel, Tourism.tel, etc.), but they won't be a good way to go in the long run. Someday, I hope to be able to dial Tourism.tel on my phone and have whatever number I've entered on Tourism.tel ring on the other end (no intermediate step of me going to Tourism.tel to look up the number). Similarly, Tourism.tel could forward to the email address listed on Tourism.tel at the time. Just like vanity phone numbers, I could lease or sell the .tel. (And recall rates for vanity phone numbers versus "digits-only" numbers are extraordinarily higher.*)

Everyone, your thoughts? I'd especially like to hear (publicly) from those who have been constructive critics so far -- Acroplex, DubDubDubDot, bmugford, Steven, MicroGuy, etc. -- about these claims. If their opinions change even a little, perhaps folks will stop talking about only realizing the partial value of their .tel addresses through limited development and start talking about bridging the domain/telecom gap.

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*From NumericDomains.com, with permission:

“800response and their friends at Infosurv and e-Rewards teamed up to determine the consumer recall rates of vanity 800 numbers compared with recall rates of numeric toll-free phone numbers that are used in visual and audio advertisements… What they found supports our original supposition that 800 vanity telephone numbers retain significant value that continues to grow over time.

- Over 70% of respondents recall the vanity telephone number over the numeric version.

- Advertisers can expect an 84% improvement in recall rates for vanity 800 numbers vs. numeric phone numbers shown in visual media (TV, billboard, print) - and a much more significant 9-times higher recall rate in the case of audio (radio) ads.

- 58% of consumers prefer to dial a vanity 800 number vs. a numeric toll-free to reach a local business.

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My comment: In addition to the two primary benefits of .tel addresses listed above (the first two numbered points), .tel would mean a VANITY number for everyone. Individuals, businesses, etc. could benefit from those high recall rates. No longer: “Call me at 1-789-555-1234,” but “Call me at JohnDoe5.tel” (and 1-789-555-1234 would be the number your friend’s phone call routes through because it’s listed on JohnDoe5.tel).
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StuartP said:
This should be controversial.

If you really want to understand the value of .tel, please read this whole post. If you want to constructively challenge the information here, please go right ahead, but let’s stop talking about .tel as a TLD that we can build minimalist web pages on. That's not going to get us where we want to go.


Acroplex, thanks for the comments. I could see your point here if .tel was supposed to function "like any other TLD," but it's a TLD in name only. It's really a way of standardizing contact data in a way that it can be utilized by a multitude of communication devices (mobile phones, computers, etc.). .tel is not about what you the user sees when s/he pulls up Example.tel in his/her browser (so, the "images, audio, video, etc." aren't important) it's what your mobile device “sees” and can do with properly formatted contact data. Read the quote below for clarity’s sake:


When I posted that earlier in this thread, I didn't see a single response to my claims. This suggests to me that even the folks who are investing heavily in .tel are thinking about .tel addresses as turnkey websites with free hosting, which in my opinion, suggests most don't fully understand what they've purchased. Obviously, toe-to-toe, a standard TLD (.com/.net/.org) will always beat out a .tel if the two are competing as websites. .tel wasn't meant to compete against .com/.net/.org, it was meant to *standardize* contact data (note that, for example, phone numbers on .tel addresses must have the proper country codes or they can't be entered, etc.).

.tel is much more similar to a phone number than a webpage, though it shares some of the characteristics of both. If the folks who have invested heavily in them don't realize this (and soon), it'll become much harder to transfer this idea to the public.

One more try: The beauty of .tel is not what *you* see on the .tel "page," it's that…

(1) The contact data conforms to the same rules across all .tel addresses (so a mobile device knows how to rip and use a phone number regardless if it is asked to do so from Houses.tel, Joe.tel or NickName.tel).

(2) The data is stored not on mobile devices (like contact info is now), but on a central server, so that management of that data (updating, deleting, etc.) is controlled not by the mobile device owner, but by the data-"owner." This means that FINALLY, my friend Jill can change her contact info in MY phone and I don't have to do anything to make that happen. I don't even have to know that she's doing it, because Jill2.tel (assuming Jill.tel is taken) is already in my phone.

(3) If you follow the vanity number logic, .tel domains will have much higher recall rates than regular phone numbers (see the data below).

Please, folks, this is a telecom tool, not a TLD. Let's change the discussion and start discussing how we're going to get this idea out there, rather than talk about building "web pages" that are limited from step one. These web pages might be a good way to attempt to monetize in the interim (I say this having plenty that would be suitable for this -- Advertising.tel, Electronics.tel, Shoes.tel, Houses.tel, Tourism.tel, etc.), but they won't be a good way to go in the long run. Someday, I hope to be able to dial Tourism.tel on my phone and have whatever number I've entered on Tourism.tel ring on the other end (no intermediate step of me going to Tourism.tel to look up the number). Similarly, Tourism.tel could forward to the email address listed on Tourism.tel at the time. Just like vanity phone numbers, I could lease or sell the .tel. (And recall rates for vanity phone numbers versus "digits-only" numbers are extraordinarily higher.*)

Everyone, your thoughts? I'd especially like to hear (publicly) from those who have been constructive critics so far -- Acroplex, DubDubDubDot, bmugford, Steven, MicroGuy, etc. -- about these claims. If their opinions change even a little, perhaps folks will stop talking about only realizing the partial value of their .tel addresses through limited development and start talking about bridging the domain/telecom gap.

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*From NumericDomains.com, with permission:

“800response and their friends at Infosurv and e-Rewards teamed up to determine the consumer recall rates of vanity 800 numbers compared with recall rates of numeric toll-free phone numbers that are used in visual and audio advertisements… What they found supports our original supposition that 800 vanity telephone numbers retain significant value that continues to grow over time.

- Over 70% of respondents recall the vanity telephone number over the numeric version.

- Advertisers can expect an 84% improvement in recall rates for vanity 800 numbers vs. numeric phone numbers shown in visual media (TV, billboard, print) - and a much more significant 9-times higher recall rate in the case of audio (radio) ads.

- 58% of consumers prefer to dial a vanity 800 number vs. a numeric toll-free to reach a local business.

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My comment: In addition to the two primary benefits of .tel addresses listed above (the first two numbered points), .tel would mean a VANITY number for everyone. Individuals, businesses, etc. could benefit from those high recall rates. No longer: “Call me at 1-789-555-1234,” but “Call me at JohnDoe5.tel” (and 1-789-555-1234 would be the number your friend’s phone call routes through because it’s listed on JohnDoe5.tel).
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Hi StuartP

These guys used to wind me up too. But then I realised that it is not about .tel. These people are angry for some reason I can't understand and nothing is going to change that. Perhaps this site is their real estate and they feel threatened - again I don't know - but it is pointless debating them; they are sophists with a cruel bent and will find all sorts of reasons to challenge your arguments.

The only logical conclusion is to completely ignore them which, I guess, will make them even more upset.

I read an article about people who spend years doing the same thing. Their brains change in that their methods of thinking become embedded. The physical tracks in their brains are so used that it is painful to think in any other way. Perhaps this is their problem. Really, who cares! Make money or lose money on .tel it is chicken feed to me.
 
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StuartP said:
This should be controversial.

If you really want to understand the value of .tel, please read this whole post. If you want to constructively challenge the information here, please go right ahead, but let’s stop talking about .tel as a TLD that we can build minimalist web pages on. That's not going to get us where we want to go.


Acroplex, thanks for the comments. I could see your point here if .tel was supposed to function "like any other TLD," but it's a TLD in name only. It's really a way of standardizing contact data in a way that it can be utilized by a multitude of communication devices (mobile phones, computers, etc.). .tel is not about what you the user sees when s/he pulls up Example.tel in his/her browser (so, the "images, audio, video, etc." aren't important) it's what your mobile device “sees” and can do with properly formatted contact data. Read the quote below for clarity’s sake:


When I posted that earlier in this thread, I didn't see a single response to my claims. This suggests to me that even the folks who are investing heavily in .tel are thinking about .tel addresses as turnkey websites with free hosting, which in my opinion, suggests most don't fully understand what they've purchased. Obviously, toe-to-toe, a standard TLD (.com/.net/.org) will always beat out a .tel if the two are competing as websites. .tel wasn't meant to compete against .com/.net/.org, it was meant to *standardize* contact data (note that, for example, phone numbers on .tel addresses must have the proper country codes or they can't be entered, etc.).

.tel is much more similar to a phone number than a webpage, though it shares some of the characteristics of both. If the folks who have invested heavily in them don't realize this (and soon), it'll become much harder to transfer this idea to the public.

One more try: The beauty of .tel is not what *you* see on the .tel "page," it's that…

(1) The contact data conforms to the same rules across all .tel addresses (so a mobile device knows how to rip and use a phone number regardless if it is asked to do so from Houses.tel, Joe.tel or NickName.tel).

(2) The data is stored not on mobile devices (like contact info is now), but on a central server, so that management of that data (updating, deleting, etc.) is controlled not by the mobile device owner, but by the data-"owner." This means that FINALLY, my friend Jill can change her contact info in MY phone and I don't have to do anything to make that happen. I don't even have to know that she's doing it, because Jill2.tel (assuming Jill.tel is taken) is already in my phone.

(3) If you follow the vanity number logic, .tel domains will have much higher recall rates than regular phone numbers (see the data below).

Please, folks, this is a telecom tool, not a TLD. Let's change the discussion and start discussing how we're going to get this idea out there, rather than talk about building "web pages" that are limited from step one. These web pages might be a good way to attempt to monetize in the interim (I say this having plenty that would be suitable for this -- Advertising.tel, Electronics.tel, Shoes.tel, Houses.tel, Tourism.tel, etc.), but they won't be a good way to go in the long run. Someday, I hope to be able to dial Tourism.tel on my phone and have whatever number I've entered on Tourism.tel ring on the other end (no intermediate step of me going to Tourism.tel to look up the number). Similarly, Tourism.tel could forward to the email address listed on Tourism.tel at the time. Just like vanity phone numbers, I could lease or sell the .tel. (And recall rates for vanity phone numbers versus "digits-only" numbers are extraordinarily higher.*)

Everyone, your thoughts? I'd especially like to hear (publicly) from those who have been constructive critics so far -- Acroplex, DubDubDubDot, bmugford, Steven, MicroGuy, etc. -- about these claims. If their opinions change even a little, perhaps folks will stop talking about only realizing the partial value of their .tel addresses through limited development and start talking about bridging the domain/telecom gap.

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*From NumericDomains.com, with permission:

“800response and their friends at Infosurv and e-Rewards teamed up to determine the consumer recall rates of vanity 800 numbers compared with recall rates of numeric toll-free phone numbers that are used in visual and audio advertisements… What they found supports our original supposition that 800 vanity telephone numbers retain significant value that continues to grow over time.

- Over 70% of respondents recall the vanity telephone number over the numeric version.

- Advertisers can expect an 84% improvement in recall rates for vanity 800 numbers vs. numeric phone numbers shown in visual media (TV, billboard, print) - and a much more significant 9-times higher recall rate in the case of audio (radio) ads.

- 58% of consumers prefer to dial a vanity 800 number vs. a numeric toll-free to reach a local business.

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My comment: In addition to the two primary benefits of .tel addresses listed above (the first two numbered points), .tel would mean a VANITY number for everyone. Individuals, businesses, etc. could benefit from those high recall rates. No longer: “Call me at 1-789-555-1234,” but “Call me at JohnDoe5.tel” (and 1-789-555-1234 would be the number your friend’s phone call routes through because it’s listed on JohnDoe5.tel).


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Well argued, thanks for your input on this. I agree about this being a telecom type product first and foremost. With a lot of my domains, Im not even thinking so much about keywords for seo (although I admit I have been buying keyword domains with quite high exact searches too). But I can see many domains at least being of a vanity factor or relating specifically to an end user's business that might be saleable as such. For example I registered plastering and carpet cleaning... these don't have massive amounts of keyword traffic but in any case they describe perfectly a specific service.
It's still early days to know how well domains will be optimised in google so a good domain should also target an end user's product or service (at least in the business aspect). It's probably a good idea to remember that you should be preferably targeting keywords where a telephone number contact is appropriate rather than a link to a website- which in my view defeats the purpose of .tel largely.
Nothing wrong with diversifying domains across different categories within .tel either IMO. Main thing to remember is that you should be thinking of the .tel in terms of contact info not websites and as you said, it's better to treat it like a telephone service than a web based service when choosing names to be safe, perhaps.
So ask yourself, if I cannot make money from monetizing my .tel, can I on sell the domain to an end user where the name perfectly defines the niche of that person or business... for example, I have pimp.tel and gothic.tel (for personal niches- although pimp.tel is more a popular vanity name that wouldnt have to be niche related (one would hope)) and I have carpetcleaning and plastering for business related niches that may be in demand (even more so if seo proved good for this tld).
Im a bit tired and about to head to bed, so hopefully you can understand what Im saying above, lol. Goodnight all.
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StuartP said:
My comment: In addition to the two primary benefits of .tel addresses listed above (the first two numbered points), .tel would mean a VANITY number for everyone. Individuals, businesses, etc. could benefit from those high recall rates. No longer: “Call me at 1-789-555-1234,” but “Call me at JohnDoe5.tel” (and 1-789-555-1234 would be the number your friend’s phone call routes through because it’s listed on JohnDoe5.tel).
That is an interesting thought.... but I'm not sure how realistic it is.


Billy2009 said:
Hi StuartP

These guys used to wind me up too. But then I realised that it is not about .tel. These people are angry for some reason I can't understand and nothing is going to change that. Perhaps this site is their real estate and they feel threatened - again I don't know - but it is pointless debating them; they are sophists with a cruel bent and will find all sorts of reasons to challenge your arguments.

The only logical conclusion is to completely ignore them which, I guess, will make them even more upset.

I read an article about people who spend years doing the same thing. Their brains change in that their methods of thinking become embedded. The physical tracks in their brains are so used that it is painful to think in any other way. Perhaps this is their problem. Really, who cares! Make money or lose money on .tel it is chicken feed to me.
LOL..... I highly doubt that anyone here feels threatened by .tel. That wouldn't make any sense.... .tel is unique, no other TLD's are competing with it.


bmugford said:
Has anyone here seen Office Space? Reading through this thread some of these ideas are like the "Jump to Conclusions Mat"....If you have seen the movie you will understand.
Oh how I love that movie..... :yell:
 
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Egnited said:
LOL..... I highly doubt that anyone here feels threatened by .tel. That wouldn't make any sense.... .tel is unique, no other TLD's are competing with it.

I don't care for .tel at all... but I don't "hate" it. It's not even worth hating! :hehe: It's just a scheme for TelNic to rake in some $$$$$$$. I'm sorry but any TLD that prohibits real content is doomed to fail.


Oh how I love that movie..... :yell:

Yes, I respect your comments about prohibiting content, but this form of standardisation could prove to make it more successful not less, stranger things have happened... but in any case it will be cool to see how it all unfolds over time. When is myspace pushing this out I wonder and in what way and in what frequency? So many questions with so many potential answers.
 
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Billy2009 said:
Hi StuartP

These guys used to wind me up too. But then I realised that it is not about .tel. These people are angry for some reason I can't understand and nothing is going to change that. Perhaps this site is their real estate and they feel threatened - again I don't know - but it is pointless debating them; they are sophists with a cruel bent and will find all sorts of reasons to challenge your arguments.

The only logical conclusion is to completely ignore them which, I guess, will make them even more upset.

Hi Billy,
Thanks for your comments. My message isn't aimed at them -- though their opinions would be appreciated (and I PM'd them a few hours ago to say just that). My message is aimed at everyone who has purchased a .tel. I believe, in general, we're talking about things in this thread and elsewhere that aren't going to pay off as highly in the long run as they otherwise could. In my opinion, we should be discussing how we can help make the pitch to the public and to the Telecom Industry that this is a product for them. I really hope people who have purchased .tel addresses and are participating in this thread will embrace the idea of .tel first a telecom tool as described in my post and second as "web pages" (though that does have its limited place). .tel addresses are much more similar to phone numbers than they are web pages.

I think shifting gears and talking to folks in the Telecom Industry is going to raise the value of all of our .tels more than discussions of SEO, etc. (though again that has its place). I hope that's where we go as a community because, again referring to my post, I think that's where the value is.

Best,
StuartP

P.S. For instance, I emailed a number of marketing blog owners last week and introduced .tel to them as something that has the potential to be a new type of vanity phone number. The response was very positive, but perhaps that was preemptive of me. First, folks who own the bulk of .tel addresses (a lot of whom are active in this thread) need to embrace this idea or .tel won't be able to head in that direction.

Egnited said:
That is an interesting thought.... but I'm not sure how realistic it is.

Egnited,
The response to an article on my blog explaining this has been very positive (the comments, that is) as was the email response from marketing experts last week.

We're essentially talking about proxy phone numbers/emails/types of contact info yet to be determined. Send an email to JohnDoe.tel, make a call to JohnDoe.tel. Whatever the underlying data (the actual phone number and email address), the call or email would just forward there. Right now, it seems more probable that this would work for phones, but the logic is the same for both phones and email.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but before there were .com addresses, the public (mostly academics and military folks at the time) had to remember IP addresses. .com addresses were invented to make remembering those long strings of numbers easier. This is essentially the same idea, except instead of .com addresses making it easier to remember long IP addresses, this is .tel making it unnecessary to remember contact info at all -- not only because you can go to the .tel and look it up, but because with the proper app, your phone can rip and use that data without you ever having to know what it is.
 
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chamac said:
I've just regged them, and haven't thought too much about how I will use them. Create a directory with links to a .com site where the information about a given topic would be.

And what links would you put on angry.tel? And how are you going to monetize them? Angry.tel sounds cool, but i really cant see the use of it, or your other domains from your previous post. I would go for refund if possible, IMHO.
 
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It's very amusing to see the dot-tel haters post on the limitations of .tel, but fail to recognize the elegance of simplicity.

Would all the dot-tel haters who use Twitter please raise your hand?
 
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Yes, I only give out my dottel now and the first question is; is that an email address? I say no, there is no @, you stick it in the address line if you are on the net, and in the browser if you are on cellphone. I refuse to give a number anymore. That's one way to get people into it I think. I am in New Zealand at the moment, which I believe has the highest cellphone charges in the world, and am saying; What, you don't know what a dottel is? God I am in the wilderness. This gets the Kiwis inquisitive. Then come the questions! Great technique - stunned surprise when people don't know what a dottel is? .........lol. Then I say, your name is probably gone but you should check anyway.................and Bob's your Uncle - another convert!
 
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bizcards.tel

Freebee: create dot.tel business card images to link from your website to your dot.tel or even to print out. Got two background image formats so far. If you think of more I'll be happy to add or adjust. Just my way of helping promote dot.tel.
bizcards.tel
Mark
 
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