The religious discussion thread

[Archangel]

This thread was created to bring a local new story to light, which can be viewed below:

JACKSON, Ohio (AP) — An Ohio school district decided Tuesday night to keep a portrait of Jesus hanging in the school where it's been 65 years, denying a federal lawsuit's claim the portrait's display unconstitutionally promotes religion in a public school.

The Jackson City Schools board offered a constitutional justification of its own in voting 4-0 to keep the portrait up in its middle school, saying it must protect students' free speech rights. The vote drew cheers and applause from the dozens of people gathered in the elementary school gymnasium.

Read all of it here: http://news.yahoo.com/ohio-school-b...xzBHB0A3N0b3J5cGFnZQR0ZXN0A1Rlc3RfQUZD;_ylv=3

I posted his here @ NP to see what ppl had to say on the issue. As it turns out, this sparked many debates. I've considered closing this thread but after multiple suggestions, I decided to keep it open. Feel free to join in the topics but per forum rules, please refrain from obscene, threatening, rude, or insulting posts.

 

[Archangel]

I remember once when I was 13 & I sucked down a full 2 liter bottle of Dew in one night (not day--it was night). I spent practically the entire night afterward in bed, tossing & turning, not knowing why I couldn't sleep. I didn't really sit down to think of it until later. When I did, something occurred to me: I had so much caffeine that night, I wasn't even able to close my eyes, let alone sleep.

Now, looking at politics, these assholes really are pretty simple-minded: at first, they'll do something totally stupid and then bad things happen. They get so foolish that they find random things to blame, being too stupid to realize that they themselves introduced their troubles. In this case, they're screwing things up but when push comes to shove, they'll play dumb & pretend they did something smart but it didn't work. (Did you ppl watch Terminator 3? Skynet wasn't the solution to find/destroy the virus. Skynet WAS the virus.)

Around the time of the caffeine incident, there was an episode of Beavis & But-head that showed the 2 wanting to reenact Ben Franklin's kite-flying experiment. It ended with the 2 getting injured. A reporter asked, "Why did you two pull this stunt?" They answered that they saw a guy on TV with a kite during a storm. A cross-reference was done on the shows on TV at that night. "The Frankklin experiment? No, wait... they couldn't have been that dumb. Okay, what else did you boy see?" "Uh.... we watched some music videos." "FASCINATING!" And with that, the reporter stated on the news that the 2 kids got injured while doing something they saw in a music video.

Do ppl ignore the real issues in real life? Sure they do. And do they try to find other scapegoats (sometimes to save face from the fact that they made the problem)? Yep. All politicians suck.

That's disturbing.

This is the problem with bringing religion into public schools. The boundaries will always be pushed away from subtle group worship and turn into hanging pics or wearing burqas. These type of public displays are a distraction from the real lessons that should be taught in the classroom!

 

[Archangel]

We Ohioans are fickle.

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — State Supreme Court justices sparred with lawyers on Wednesday in a heated hour of arguments over the extent to which a now-fired public school science teacher had the right to push his religious beliefs in class.

A lawyer for the school board that dismissed John Freshwater in 2011 said he waved a Bible at his students, handed out religious pamphlets and espoused creationism in his evolution lessons.

http://news.yahoo.com/ohio-court-sp...xzBHB0A3N0b3J5cGFnZQR0ZXN0A1Rlc3RfQUZD;_ylv=3

 

[Keith]

We Ohioans are fickle.



http://news.yahoo.com/ohio-court-sp...xzBHB0A3N0b3J5cGFnZQR0ZXN0A1Rlc3RfQUZD;_ylv=3

Nice to hear he got the ax. It's usually the religious that are the most wacky :imho:

 

[JB Lions]

"Freshwater also had been accused of using a science tool to burn students' arms with the image of a cross, but that allegation was resolved and was not a factor in his firing."

"The board, in its review, concluded Freshwater had used a high-frequency generator, which other teachers have used to demonstrate electrical current, to burn a cross onto a student's arm. The cross lasted a few weeks."

haha, damn

 

[Sabre]

You may not have meant to, but you just insulted his parents. . . sort of like what the photo does to people of other religions, including those paying the taxes that help fund the school.

//random rambling

Bit late to the party but, I wasn't insulted. Don't worry about it! I got where he was coming from

My parents are Christians but told me from a young age that it was up to me to decide what I believed was the truth of life. I'm very grateful for them doing so as my other halfs family didn't do this and she often struggles deeply with her own beliefs - when her own beliefs don't match her Christian upbringing, it can be really challenging for her to accept her own thoughts.

I tend to dislike 'religion' as a concept but I agree with many its teachings, particularly through Buddhism but also Christianity and other religions. Most religions teach morality, forgiveness & such like, which is of course a good thing! The main reasons I don't like religion are that;

1) I don't believe in God, so I can't believe in a religion on that basis
2) I think many religious people don't actually follow their own religions properly. The Bible, for example, teaches you that you should not have prejudice against others - but the amount of Christians I have met that are unbelievably judgmental is crazy I hate the 'holier than thou' attitude that many have
3) I don't like being told what I should or shouldn't believe, or preached to.
4) (and most importantly) I would be happy to believe in God or follow a religion if anyone could prove to me that God exists, Jesus existed, Muhammad, or whatever religion you want to choose. To this date, noone has proven anything to me and until then, I'll continue to believe what makes the most logical sense to me.

Having said that, I openly debate with others about religion. Being religious doesn't and shouldn't be who you are, it's just something you believe in and I'm not going to judge you for that. It's just not for me

random rambling\\

 

[verbster]

Hmmm. . . chicken and egg, chicken and egg: Did religion come naturally from a Supreme source, passed on by burning bushes and validated by parting seas and storms of locusts, or was it made up by people trying to bring hope, guidance and sense into their fragile lives . . . or maybe with the ability to reason came the belief that it only made sense that our desire to live, our soul, had to go somewhere when our body died. To simply end seems like such a waste, but since eternal bliss can’t be proven, we became creatures of the carrot of heaven and the stick of hell, hope and despair. And while we were at it, we might as well make the carrot tasty enough to make it worth going to for eternity, which is a long, long, long time (don’t get me started…God may be time, after all).

Anyway, based on what I've seen, or perhaps not seen, I've got to go with people creating the creator. I have complete faith that a truly omnipotent, omniscient entity (stop and think about that for a minute) would never mess things up like they are now. And it's not the myth of "mysterious ways" that we made up to explain why we never see the Big Guy, I mean why would we? We're like the Ronco Set-it-and-forget-it rotisserie. He (for lack of a better term the encompasses something that can easily wad up the universe like a sheet of paper) is omniscient; he knows exactly what's going to happen to everything everywhere at any second or billions of years in the future (which must be incredibly boring). Why would something so mighty make our little flyspeck of a planet the figurative center of the sentient universe? Why would he need worshippers who only live a zillionth of blink of time's eye? God wouldn’t have an ego that is so fragile it needs little piss-ants like us to worship him. If he wanted worshippers (which I can't imagine he does), what does he get from what we have to offer? The adulation of a few billion truly stupid life forms who have nothing to offer except the expectation of eternal bliss? I mean, what do you give God for Christmas? He's omnipotent. If he wants to play cosmic battle chess with solar systems as pawns and the fate of billions of planets, stars and whatever else we have no idea about, that's what he'll do. But he’s omniscient and already knows the outcome, so what's the point? Just as he already knows everything about every human, past, present and future. Maybe the real reason we explain God’s absence by saying He moves in mysterious ways is that we’re insignificant, and an indifferent God is scarier than no God at all.

 

[DU]

Jesus dies on Friday but don't worry....
we all get to eat lamb and hot cross buns!



I think he comes back on Monday.

 

[GILSAN]

Jesus dies on Friday but don't worry....
we all get to eat lamb and hot cross buns!

I think he comes back on Monday.

Jesus only takes 4 days off every year. Obama and his family take vacations every second month.

Lamb is also traditional over here over easter

 

[JB Lions]

"Obama and his family take vacations every second month."

Less than Reagan or Bush.

 

[DU]

What does Obama have to do with Jesus?

 

[GILSAN]

"Obama and his family take vacations every second month."

Less than Reagan or Bush.

I knew that would get you running to this thread at the speed of light.

I really don't see how Reagan and Bush could possibly beat Obama in "time off". Prove it

Actually it appears that this year he's getting even better with an average of once a month ... so far. :wave:

Trend: Obamas Averaging A Vacation a Month

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/03/26/Trend-obamas-averaging-a-vacation-a-month

 

[JB Lions]

I knew that would get you running to this thread at the speed of light.

I really don't see how Reagan and Bush could possibly beat Obama in "time off". Prove it

Actually it appears that this year he's getting even better with an average of once a month ... so far. :wave:

Trend: Obamas Averaging A Vacation a Month

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/03/26/Trend-obamas-averaging-a-vacation-a-month

"President Obama took 131 vacation days in his first 4 years in office. That puts him on pace for 262 days during 8 years in the White House. By contrast Bush took 1,020 days (including a 5-week vacation–the longest by any President in nearly 4 decades), and Reagan took 484 days. Once again for the mathematically challenged, Obama is on pace to take fewer vacations than both Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush."

Last time I looked, his daughters weren't elected/serving. But I guess it helps to fudge the numbers.

What does Obama have to do with Jesus?

God sent him along with Jesus to save the world.

 

[DU]

"President Obama took 131 vacation days in his first 4 years in office. That puts him on pace for 262 days during 8 years in the White House. By contrast Bush took 1,020 days (including a 5-week vacation–the longest by any President in nearly 4 decades), and Reagan took 484 days. Once again for the mathematically challenged, Obama is on pace to take fewer vacations than both Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush..

Jesus has been on holiday for 2000 years but it doesn't matter coz Obama is a Muslim ....

 

[GILSAN]

What does Obama have to do with Jesus?

Don't some lefties treat him like a God?

Anyway, back to Religion:

"An Alabama elementary school has banned the word “Easter” this year in order to respect religious diversity."

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/mar/26/if-easter-can-be-banned-alabama-school-it-can-be-b/

. Someday they will have to re-write the dictionaries and ban the Bible. Just remove all those "offensive" words like Easter, Christmas, Christians, Jesus, etc. That should make Liberals really happy,... right?

 

[JB Lions]

Don't some lefties treat him like a God?

Anyway, back to Religion:

"An Alabama elementary school has banned the word “Easter” this year in order to respect religious diversity."

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/mar/26/if-easter-can-be-banned-alabama-school-it-can-be-b/

. Someday they will have to re-write the dictionaries and ban the Bible. Just remove all those "offensive" words like Easter, Christmas, Christians, Jesus, etc. That should make Liberals really happy,... right?

Not a good time for Christians. Slow progress is happening. Gay marriage commeth, legalization of marijuana. Internet sites exposing the problems with bible/creation, new generations coming up less religious etc. And as this happens, you can see the anger/hatred coming out, being exposed, which helps the progress go even more quickly. The non-religious folk basically just getting tired of them trying to take away rights, keep people from having rights, endless wars/conflicts where religion is a major component etc.

 

[DU]

"An Alabama elementary school has banned the word “Easter” this year in order to respect religious diversity."

What does the Chocolate Bunny have to do with religion?

 

[JB Lions]

What does the Chocolate Bunny have to do with religion?

Just a tool used to indoctrinate the kiddies. Feed them chocolate and throw in a bible story to go with it. Like missionaries going to places where people are starving. Want some food? Love some Jesus. Kind of like the early days and how Christianity spread. Watched a documentary on the Middle Ages. Constant raids, hunger, lack of education etc. These places of worship were just a little safer, had books, had food. Easy to get people over. Or people like Charlemagne back in the day, having people bent over, ready to get their head chopped off or be Christian.

 

[verbster]

Don't some lefties treat him like a God?

Much like many conservatives do Rush Limbaugh.

"An Alabama elementary school has banned the word “Easter” this year in order to respect religious diversity."

And Sarah Palin wants libraries to ban all kinds of books . . about 80 or so, from Shakespeare's Twelfth Night to Dahl's James and the Giant Peach.

Someday they will have to re-write the dictionaries and ban the Bible. Just remove all those "offensive" words like Easter, Christmas, Christians, Jesus, etc. That should make Liberals really happy,... right?

Maybe it's time to form a Bible rewrite committee...Hmmm...if limited to five people, who would you nominate?

 

[GILSAN]

Just a tool used to indoctrinate the kiddies. Feed them chocolate and throw in a bible story to go with it. Like missionaries going to places where people are starving. Want some food? Love some Jesus. Kind of like the early days and how Christianity spread. Watched a documentary on the Middle Ages. Constant raids, hunger, lack of education etc. These places of worship were just a little safer, had books, had food. Easy to get people over. Or people like Charlemagne back in the day, having people bent over, ready to get their head chopped off or be Christian.

You really hate Christians and everything they stand for, don't you? I'm sure you will be in 7th heaven when the US becomes the land of Sodom and Gomorrah.

 

[verbster]

Just a tool used to indoctrinate the kiddies. Feed them chocolate and throw in a bible story to go with it. Like missionaries going to places where people are starving. Want some food? Love some Jesus. Kind of like the early days and how Christianity spread. Watched a documentary on the Middle Ages. Constant raids, hunger, lack of education etc. These places of worship were just a little safer, had books, had food. Easy to get people over. Or people like Charlemagne back in the day, having people bent over, ready to get their head chopped off or be Christian.

Both methods were tried on just about every indigenous culture found.

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You really hate Christians and everything they stand for, don't you? I'm sure you will be in 7th heaven when the US becomes the land of Sodom and Gomorrah.

As Mahatma Gandhi said, “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”