The religious discussion thread

[Archangel]

This thread was created to bring a local new story to light, which can be viewed below:

JACKSON, Ohio (AP) — An Ohio school district decided Tuesday night to keep a portrait of Jesus hanging in the school where it's been 65 years, denying a federal lawsuit's claim the portrait's display unconstitutionally promotes religion in a public school.

The Jackson City Schools board offered a constitutional justification of its own in voting 4-0 to keep the portrait up in its middle school, saying it must protect students' free speech rights. The vote drew cheers and applause from the dozens of people gathered in the elementary school gymnasium.

Read all of it here: http://news.yahoo.com/ohio-school-b...xzBHB0A3N0b3J5cGFnZQR0ZXN0A1Rlc3RfQUZD;_ylv=3

I posted his here @ NP to see what ppl had to say on the issue. As it turns out, this sparked many debates. I've considered closing this thread but after multiple suggestions, I decided to keep it open. Feel free to join in the topics but per forum rules, please refrain from obscene, threatening, rude, or insulting posts.

 

[sofiapartner]

How dare you.

You just got my first dislike.

You're clueless and totally prejudiced.

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What? How I dare? How you dare to compare and equalise racism and christianity? Quick fact - Martin Luther King, Jr. was an american clergyman

I personally dont care about like and dislike of comment - it is clear that people have different views. But your view is completely wrong in this case. I just cant see why you put that on this discussion.

And about the Jews. I am not prejudiced. You can ask your husband - who are the most protective people on Earth with regard to their culture, beliefs, traditions, religion, history. I am sure he will tell you the truth. And - that is not bad. I respect that.

 

[Keith]

Yeah, this can be the catch all religion thread. The political thread is 42 pages, this is 6 already. That's interest. Some of us like to talk about these issues every now and then, even tho we might disagree.

If there's a way to combine threads I would recommend it.

http://www.namepros.com/the-break-room/784781-the-official-namepros-religious-discussion-thread.html

 

[Archangel]

I agree. I was ust getting a little worried about how heated it was getting. But if there are similar threads up that are okay, this should be okay too.

I'm gonna ask about getting the thread title changed. This thread is a good catch-all for religious debate.

Yeah, this can be the catch all religion thread. The political thread is 42 pages, this is 6 already. That's interest. Some of us like to talk about these issues every now and then, even tho we might disagree.

 

[GILSAN]

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However, as population demographics change, the majority may eventually become the minority. In that case, Christians would be protected from having Allah (or any other religious leader--I'm not trying to pick on Allah per se) from being posted in public school hallways.
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Once Christians become a minority, you can kiss your country good bye. Muslims hate non-believers and would have very little respect or tolerance towards others.

Look whats happening in some large cities in Europe. Brussels is already 35% Muslim and their leaders have already said that within 5-10 years they will become the majority and will apply Sharia Law.

Some suburbs of London already have Muslim vigilante groups applying Sharia law against British natives who don't comply with their drinking or dress code.

This article came out today about a controversial Muslim cleric in the UK who lives off benefits, is urging his followers to also sponge off UK taxpayers and says that Islam will overrun Europe, and he isn't the only one throwing out these threats.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-year-benefits-calls-fanatics-live-state.html

 

[sofiapartner]

Bingo: You wouldn’t go to a “Muslim country” because you’d not feel comfortable in the environment. Now, think of a public school (a public place, I stress). What if you were Wiccan & forced to go to a school that promoted Christianity? Would you be comfortable? Probably not. Maybe/maybe you wouldn’t have made a complaint but you aren’t the embodiment of everyone alive and thus what you choose to do isn’t what everyone or anyone would do.

Yeah - Bingo - i wouldn't go to that country. Then I wouldn't be forced to deal with muslim paintings and stuff. If somebody is not happy - then go to a place where you will be comfortable and happy.Clearly - this community in Ohio is happy with the painting. And the people who are not - can go somewhere else and enroll their children in some of the 100000000000000 other schools that dont have such painting.

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Once Christians become a minority, you can kiss your country good bye. Muslims hate non-believers and would have very little respect or tolerance towards others.

You understand that and I understand that - but we both live in Europe.

However in the US the muslim population is only 0.8% or around 3 000 000 people. So they dont see it yet.

That is why they are still so tolerant.:bingo:

 

[GILSAN]

I agree. I was ust getting a little worried about how heated it was getting. But if there are similar threads up that are okay, this should be okay too.

I'm gonna ask about getting the thread title changed. This thread is a good catch-all for religious debate.

We need to have a good thrashing every now and then about subjects that are often so bloody taboo and that people hold back till someone gives a totally different opinion (usually me) and after the initial "How dare you contest me" shock, things settle down with occasional bursts of heated argument.

Hell if you want to agree with everything and everyone, there's the super popular "Shoot the Shit" thread, which I like to follow but hardly participate in.

I would prefer your idea of getting this thread title changed and maintaining it

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No, you aren’t even close. We have states that allow gay marriage--and the right was given after a vote. “Democracy.” The majority of the ppl in those states had a different definition than you. This is not opinion. It is fact that cannot be disputed.

Only 9 States (out of 50) have allowed gay marriage in the US and I'm not even close?

According to my maths the majority of people in the US are still opposed (41 states). Maybe maths in the US is different from the one I learnt, just like a gallon in the US is different from a gallon in the UK :O

 

[Archangel]

So you're saying that if some ppl do something that is prohibited by the Government, we should turn a blind eye and move? We should say, "You are denying us the right to feel comfortable so we should forget about things and move"? "Removing this painting will in no way hurt you but keeping it hurts us. But you're more important than us so we'll just accept being ignored, so you'll be happy"? You clearly aren't right in the head.

Yeah - Bingo - i wouldn't go to that country. Then I wouldn't be forced to deal with muslim paintings and stuff. If somebody is not happy - then go to a place where you will be comfortable and happy.Clearly - this community in Ohio is happy with the painting. And the people who are not - can go somewhere else and enroll their children in some of the 100000000000000 other schools that dont have such painting.

 

[Ms Domainer]

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GILSAN, you might as well make your final goodbyes to the good ole U.S.A. because change is coming, ready or not.

However, I do believe our first amendment will continue to protect all religions, and that your fears will be unwarranted.

As to sofiapartners, all faiths want to protect their beliefs and way of life. If Jewish people seem a little overly sensitive, you can just ask my husband's relatives who were gassed in gas chambers and the ones who hid in the sewers of Paris to escape Hitler's wrath. Their descendants can't forget that--maybe forgive, but never forget.

Every religion has its zealots and haters; it's up to the rest of us to mitigate that nonsense with good works and tolerance of those who differ from us--and keep public schools religion-neutral.

True story: when I was a kid in Catholic school, we were not allowed to use the public school buses, even though they went right by our house and the schools (the public and Catholic schools were only a block apart).

The diocese didn't question it because they understood that taking money, even in the form of bus rides, from the local public school system posed a potential church/state problem.

On the other hand, our school lunch program was subsidized by the Federal Government. Go figure.

But that was many years ago.

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[JB Lions]

Once Christians become a minority, you can kiss your country good bye. Muslims hate non-believers and would have very little respect or tolerance towards others.

Look whats happening in some large cities in Europe. Brussels is already 35% Muslim and their leaders have already said that within 5-10 years they will become the majority and will apply Sharia Law.

Some suburbs of London already have Muslim vigilante groups applying Sharia law against British natives who don't comply with their drinking or dress code.

This article came out today about a controversial Muslim cleric in the UK who lives off benefits, is urging his followers to also sponge off UK taxpayers and says that Islam will overrun Europe, and he isn't the only one throwing out these threats.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-year-benefits-calls-fanatics-live-state.html

You're sounding like some European right wing hate group. Even the article you linked to mentioned some Muslims having a problem with what he said, he comes off as a nut. You find these extreme examples to try to make a point.

Ask yourself, why do people immigrate to other countries? Usually, because they feel they can have a better life for themselves and their families. Why do people from Mexico want to come to the U.S.? For the reason I just said. Earlier you even mentioned Muslims not having a problem in Christian schools and them getting along, getting a good education. Sounds like what I just said, hoping for a better life.

If I was to believe what you linked too, I would expect all kinds of hell breaking loose in Europe, where is it?

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1According to my maths the majority of people in the US are still opposed (41 states). Maybe maths in the US is different from the one I learnt, just like a gallon in the US is different from a gallon in the UK :O

Your know your math is wrong, because we already went over this in the other thread. Today, most Americans, that would be a majority, are ok with gay marriage. That's why, slowly, it's becoming legal in more and more states. And eventually it will be in all states and the people in the future will look back at this period of time and some of the things said and just shake their head.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57556481/poll-51-percent-support-same-sex-marriage/

Go down the polls:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_opinion_of_same-sex_marriage_in_the_United_States

Polls in 2013

A February 6-10 CBS News Poll shows that 54% of Americans support same-sex marriage while 39% oppose.

Polls in 2012

A November 26-29 Gallup poll found that 53% of Americans support same-sex marriage while 46% do not.

A November 16-19 CBS News poll found that 51% of Americans support same-sex marriage while 40% do not.

A November 7-11 ABC News/Washington Post poll found 51% of respondents support same-sex marriage while 47% are opposed.

See the trend?

Look at the countries where it's legal, including yours:

Legal recognition of same-sex relationships - Marriage

Argentina
Belgium
Canada
Denmark
Iceland
Netherlands
Norway
Portugal - Gilsan's country
South Africa
Spain
Sweden

Haven't seen anything negative because of it.

 

[GILSAN]

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GILSAN, you might as well make your final goodbyes to the good ole U.S.A. because change is coming, ready or not.

However, I do believe our first amendment will continue to protect all religions, and that your fears will be unwarranted.

As to sofiapartners, all faiths want to protect their beliefs and way of life. If Jewish people seem a little overly sensitive, you can just ask my husband's relatives who were gassed in gas chambers and the ones who hid in the sewers of Paris to escape Hitler's wrath. Their descendants can't forget that--maybe forgive, but never forget.
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I can understand sofiapartner when he says that Jews are the most protective people on Earth with regard to their culture, beliefs, traditions, religion, history. And you can't really blame them when you consider what they went through and how they are surrounded by intolerant neighbors.

I personally have visited Israel (Tel Aviv, Eilat, Dead Sea and Jerusalem) and if I had money I'd visit again because I found the people there absolutely fantastic and friendly and the women stunningly beautiful, not to mention all the historical sites where Jesus walked. It can be a profoundly spiritual experience, but only if you go there. If you've been there then you may know what I'm talking about.

Your husband will obviously know about Aristides de Sousa Mendes, a Portuguese diplomat in Bordeaux, France, who, between June 16 and June 23, 1940, ignored and defied the orders of the Portuguese Government and frantically issued Portuguese visas free of charge, to over 30,000 refugees seeking to escape the Nazi terror, 12,000 of whom were Jews.

This man deserves more acknowledgement than he has received, even if only from from some Hollywood studio, for what he did.

 

[Ms Domainer]

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I just undisliked sofiapartner's post.

I don't like that silly button anyway.

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[twomoon]

What's the first thing you think about here?

There are other bonds and other things important in a relationship.

First thing is where did you get (and why you have) such picture, John

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Oh brother. You don't need to be married to kiss in the street. And I feel sorry for your kids, hopefully they grow up and develop a mind of their own and not pass along the prejudices you're trying to instill in them. You do understand your kids will eventually have to go out in the real world and omg, they might see 2 women kissing. The horror.

I'm wondering what you tell them if they see that? Some hateful stuff?

It's funny people worrying about gay couples raising kids, when they'll probably be the most tolerant compared to some people in this thread, raising intolerant and hateful children.

Well, who knows what real world will be when ma kids would grown up. If Christians would be as weak as today, the Muslims would conquer (in a peaceful way) everything, and there would be no gays for sure

 

[GILSAN]

If Christians would be as weak as today, the Muslims would conquer (in a peaceful way) everything, and there would be no gays for sure

That's for sure and its happening in Europe already especially in large cities, with enormous quantities of illegal aliens arriving from mostly Muslim countries. And unlike westerners who average 1.3 or 1.4 children per couple, their average is 6 or 7. So at the present rate the Islamic peaceful invasion of Europe's big cities will take place very soon. Mohammed is already the most popular boy's name of the past five years for England and Wales.
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/14/mohammed-retakes-top-spot-in-english-baby-names/

In Islam, if a homosexual is found doing an act of homosexuality for the first time, he is set free on the condition that he repents to Allah and does not do it again. On the second and third time also the same, but on the fourth time if he is found, he is sentenced to death.

Islamic Women as most know by now don't have the kinds of freedoms and rights that western women have. Even having a forum with a thread like this one would be a NO NO. There will be very little tolerance from them towards Christians especially those weak ones who bend over to accommodate their demands.

 

[JB Lions]

Take a break from you right wring propaganda -

No, Muslims are not taking over the world

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2011/feb/11/islam-population

"By 2030, Muslims are expected to make up 8.2% of the UK's population, up from 4.6% in 2010."

So 17 years from now, 8.2% of the UK will be Muslim. And? They're all out to get you, better arm up?

"And unlike westerners who average 1.3 or 1.4 children per couple, their average is 6 or 7."

And that's not true. And you're proving what I've always said, just how susceptible you are to somebody on the internet making some bs article or video and you just eat it up without doing any research. How you're controlled by fear. They're going to come in, take over, enact Sharia law, all your lives will change, the gays better run for their lives, blah, blah, blah.

How about you link me to something official backing those numbers up? Can't can you. I know it's hard linking to imaginary stuff.

Debunking a YouTube hit
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8189231.stm

 

[GILSAN]

Take a break from you right wring propaganda -

No, Muslims are not taking over the world

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2011/feb/11/islam-population

"By 2030, Muslims are expected to make up 8.2% of the UK's population, up from 4.6% in 2010."

So 17 years from now, 8.2% of the UK will be Muslim. And? They're all out to get you, better arm up?

"And unlike westerners who average 1.3 or 1.4 children per couple, their average is 6 or 7."

And that's not true. And you're proving what I've always said, just how susceptible you are to somebody on the internet making some bs article or video and you just eat it up without doing any research. How you're controlled by fear. They're going to come in, take over, enact Sharia law, all your lives will change, the gays better run for their lives, blah, blah, blah.

How about you link me to something official backing those numbers up? Can't can you. I know it's hard linking to imaginary stuff.

Debunking a YouTube hit
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8189231.stm

First of all, if you had read my post correctly you would have noticed that I said "at the present rate the Islamic peaceful invasion of Europe's big cities will take place very soon"

BIG CITIES... Capiche? Which in itself is still worrying as they openly say they will apply Sharia Law once they take full control of the cities.

Do you want to live under Sharia law in your own country? I sure as hell don't

Both the BBC and The Guardian are Liberal so its expected that their articles are gonna be politically correct and will never show the whole truth. Since I like to know the true stories I get my articles elsewhere.

What the BBC article fails to mention is the accelerated rate of illegal immigrants in the past few years, plus the high birth rates which will explode the Muslim population in Europe, when both are added. BTW I saw that Youtube hit for the first time a few minutes ago

There are so many illegals in Europe, that most governments don't even know for sure how many there are, which the Guardian and the Times don't mention either, so only the official figures are shown which obviously are much lower than the true figures.

Muslim Europe: the demographic time bomb transforming our continent
The EU is facing an era of vast social change and very few politicians are taking notice.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...hic-time-bomb-transforming-our-continent.html

 

[DU]

Both the BBC and The Guardian are Liberal so its expected that their articles are gonna be politically correct and will never show the whole truth. Since I like to know the true stories I get my articles elsewhere.

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The EU is facing an era of vast social change and very few politicians are taking notice.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...hic-time-bomb-transforming-our-continent.html

Everyone knows the Telegraph is conservative so its expected that their articles are gonna be politically leaning and will never show the whole truth. Since I like to know the true stories I get my articles elsewhere?

The Guardian is at least run with long standing editors in full control of content without owner interference.

 

[JB Lions]

"Do you want to live under Sharia law in your own country? I sure as hell don't"

Get a grip. Give crazy a day off every now and then, it's earned it.

You're not going to be living under any Sharia law. A lot of Muslims don't even like that, probably moreso the ones that immigrated over to Europe.

 

[GILSAN]

Texas students dress in burqas, taught to call Muslim terrorists ‘freedom fighters’

"The teacher reportedly told the students that she did not necessarily agree with the lessons –but she was required to teach the material."

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...-lesson-on-islam-prompts-state-investigation/

 

[JB Lions]

Texas students dress in burqas, taught to call Muslim terrorists ‘freedom fighters’

"The teacher reportedly told the students that she did not necessarily agree with the lessons –but she was required to teach the material."

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...-lesson-on-islam-prompts-state-investigation/

You're ok with this right or do you have a problem with it?

 

[Keith]

Texas students dress in burqas, taught to call Muslim terrorists ‘freedom fighters’

"The teacher reportedly told the students that she did not necessarily agree with the lessons –but she was required to teach the material."

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...-lesson-on-islam-prompts-state-investigation/

That's disturbing.

This is the problem with bringing religion into public schools. The boundaries will always be pushed away from subtle group worship and turn into hanging pics or wearing burqas. These type of public displays are a distraction from the real lessons that should be taught in the classroom!