The main reason why LLLL.net may not be a wise investment

[italiandragon]

Does anyone know the word "capped" ?

Because this is not an opinion but a fact:

LLLL.com are depending on LLL.com prices

LLLL.net will depend on LLLL.com prices and partially LLL.net prices

So, By choosing to buy LLLL.net , the potential ROI is already a lot more capped.

Also, while a $10 yearly renewal fee for a crappy LLLL.com will mean like 5% or less of it`s value (based any LLLL.com will reach $230 - $250 by end of the year to reach 1/26 of LLL.com prices) , while a $6 yearly renewal fee for a LLLL.net may mean 50% of it`s potential value.

This is my best constructive criticism. I expect decent answers.

If I see that I`m wrong and people buy LLLL.net for at least $50 , then I`ll join happily but at the moment I see a NO WAY ROAD.

 

[Brian Krassenstein]

One day LLLL.net may go for $50+ but it will all depend on ICANN and what other TLDs they release. You cant go wrong with .com's though. They are extremely secure investment imo.

 

[-REECE-]

LLLL.net is indeed riskier. I made the LLLL.net countdown thread, but as many who follow the thread will have seen, I rarely take part in discussion there...

It's risky and I don't feel safe recommending it to NPers as an investment choice. When people ask me about the prospects of LLLL.nets, I tell them to go with their gut -- I won't give them my blessing because I still have mixed feelings about it myself.

The potential for a great ROI is there, but with an American economy going down the toilet and most 4L investments being directed towards LLLL.coms, one has to wonder when the market will be ready to support another extension in the LLLL sector.

I still don't feel the time is right myself and in the past, have recommended people wait at least 6 months (that'd be 5 months more now).

Does anyone know the word "capped" ?

Because this is not an opinion but a fact:

LLLL.com are depending on LLL.com prices

LLLL.net will depend on LLLL.com prices and partially LLL.net prices

So, By choosing to buy LLLL.net , the potential ROI is already a lot more capped.

Also, while a $10 yearly renewal fee for a crappy LLLL.com will mean like 5% or less of it`s value (based any LLLL.com will reach $230 - $250 by end of the year to reach 1/26 of LLL.com prices) , while a $6 yearly renewal fee for a LLLL.net may mean 50% of it`s potential value.

This is my best constructive criticism. I expect decent answers.

If I see that I`m wrong and people buy LLLL.net for at least $50 , then I`ll join happily but at the moment I see a NO WAY ROAD.

 

[Silhouette]

If I see that I`m wrong and people buy LLLL.net for at least $50 , then I`ll join happily but at the moment I see a NO WAY ROAD.

I will keep you inform'ed.

 

[epasaport]

Every month I look 3 charachter.com LLL.net and LLL.org prices changes a few I bought LLL.org in oct it gets 0 profits if I bought LLLL.com I would be more financed
LLL.net the same issue

 

[Markith]

There is definitely value in LLLL.net's. Especially at $5 reg fee per year, so i think the risk is small. If you have a decent LLLL.net its all about finding the right buyer. I don't think they will ever shoot up like the .com's but gradually they will

Here are some recent LLLL.net sales:

mygb.net $130 1/27/2008 SEDO.com
tytv.net $163 1/26/2008 SEDO.com
kapp.net $1,176 1/14/2008 SEDO.com
nvrc.net $162 12/29/2007 SEDO.com
byke.net $100 12/8/2007 SEDO.com
caia.net $544 12/3/2007 SEDO.com
nima.net $900 11/14/2007 SEDO.com

 

[KingDon]

If you look back a few years, you'll see that it was the LLL.net's that made the best investmet. Compare the price of a LLL.com to it's counterpart LLL.net today, and you'll see it's about 20% of the .com's value.

I think LLLL.com's are just beginning to take off, just like the LLL.com's did years ago. For $5 each, you can't find a better investment; other than the LLLL.com's selling for under $100. I look at how the path was carved by LLL's, I see them as a safe bet; and a lot less risk then most of the names I've registered when I was a newbie.

Having 50 of these is a small risk, for a possibly great return. But that's just how I see it.

 

[accent]

3character.com gives a minimum price for the lowest quality LLL.net of $825. So , very roughly a tri-premium LLL.net would be 3 or 4 X that, $2500 - $3000 (Am I right here?).

So that would point to a target price of $100 for a decent quad premium LLLL.net. - Except that quad-premium LLLLs are a lower percentage of the whole than tri-premium LLLs - I don't want to do the math, but that would weigh in as a higher target value for quad-premium LLLL.nets - something like +60%.

Against all this is the fact that LLLL.coms did not make much of a move until they all were gone - then suddenly they started making up for lost time. A total LLLL.net buyout is years away at present internet growth rates.

Don't know what to think of this. I question that the growth of .net will keep up with the growth of com. I imagine there are better places to put money than LLLL.nets, but also there surely are worse places to put it. For myself I have enough in LLLL.coms that I need to diversify in other directions.

 

[italiandragon]

There is definitely value in LLLL.net's. Especially at $5 reg fee per year, so i think the risk is small. If you have a decent LLLL.net its all about finding the right buyer. I don't think they will ever shoot up like the .com's but gradually they will

Here are some recent LLLL.net sales:

mygb.net $130 1/27/2008 SEDO.com
tytv.net $163 1/26/2008 SEDO.com
kapp.net $1,176 1/14/2008 SEDO.com
nvrc.net $162 12/29/2007 SEDO.com
byke.net $100 12/8/2007 SEDO.com
caia.net $544 12/3/2007 SEDO.com
nima.net $900 11/14/2007 SEDO.com

Markith, thanks for your reply.

Those few Sedo sales are not enough to motivate me to change my view.
They could have been endusers and endusers don`t even care what kind of domain they buy , if they need THAT , they buy it , 4 or 5 or 6 or 20 letters does not matter to them.
I need to see here or on other forums , reseller starting to buy LLLL.net at decent prices to make me think "ok this is worth it".

Some people argue about letter quality, while endusers don`t know the difference between Premium and not Premium (this is another Domainer creation thing) , look at one LLL.com sale few months ago on another Forum : $100,000 for a LLL.com with a bad letter in it.

SO, the real problem is not Premium or not Premium letters, but how many chances there are that endusers will buy that domain. And by choosing .net , the chances are already minimal compared to .com

In my opinion , if a company is from outside the USA , they already generally prefer their ccTLD which represents better their identity, so .net would be not their second but third choice.

 

[KingDon]

In the .net sales report thread, there are numorous postings of sales to end users who don't want to pay for the LLLL.com, and they're still getting around $500 for end user .nets

To me, picking out 100 good LLLL.nets and waiting for an end user who doesn't want to pay the $4-$5K for the Premium Pronounceable LLLL.com is very little risk. If you sell one a year to an end user, that pays your reg fees. As the LLLL's continue to climb in price, it will also be easier to sell pronounceable premium LLLL.net's for $20-$30 each.

When the LLLL.com's hit the $250 mark by the end of the year (maybe sooner), the LLLL.net's will be wiped out; and then the LLLL.com's will go through the roof.

 

[italiandragon]

In the .net sales report thread, there are numorous postings of sales to end users who don't want to pay for the LLLL.com, and they're still getting around $500 for end user .nets

To me, picking out 100 good LLLL.nets and waiting for an end user who doesn't want to pay the $4-$5K for the Premium Pronounceable LLLL.com is very little risk. If you sell one a year to an end user, that pays your reg fees. As the LLLL's continue to climb in price, it will also be easier to sell pronounceable premium LLLL.net's for $20-$30 each.

When the LLLL.com's hit the $250 mark by the end of the year (maybe sooner), the LLLL.net's will be wiped out; and then the LLLL.com's will go through the roof.

I read those sales, but compared to the .com ones, are very few.

$5K for which .com? I thought we were comparing random , non pronunciable ones like... GTFE or SBGD ...

Surely, if the LLLL.com reach $1,000 each one day, then even the LLLL.net will become interesting. But as Reece wrote, it`s quite early now.

 

[KingDon]

This is true, and time will tell. Many holders of pronounceable VCVC.com's and CVCV.com's are holding out for $5,000 or more. I'm actually in the camp that thinks these nice pronounceable LLLL's are better than random LLL.com's; and again, time will be the judge of that.

 

[Markith]

Lorenzo, I wasn't trying to change your view by showing those sales and I agree most probably are end user sales. As mentioned the LLLL.net sales thread on here is a good place to try and grasp the market.

I think the market is all over the place but they will slowly disappear, slower than the .com's but eventually they will imo.

In general though I have many LLLL.net's where the .com would be low-mid $x,xxx. I bought them for $5-$50(a few for low $1xx). Not much money for a potential large return. I'd rather have a great premium CVCV.net than QJXZ.com, but I'll bite my tongue with the way the .com's have gone up.

Lets just hope in general prices continue to rise!

Best Regards

Taken from the LLLL.net Countdown Thread....

"the buyout price for the rest of the(LLLL.net)premiums is only $74,850."

I'll be playing the waiting game. When QJXZ.NET is worth $25 I will be a happy domainer

 

[italiandragon]

Lorenzo, I wasn't trying to change your view by showing those sales and I agree most probably are end user sales. As mentioned the LLLL.net sales thread on here is a good place to try and grasp the market.

I think the market is all over the place but they will slowly disappear, slower than the .com's but eventually they will imo.

In general though I have many LLLL.net's where the .com would be low-mid $x,xxx. I bought them for $5-$50(a few for low $1xx). Not much money for a potential large return. I'd rather have a great premium CVCV.net than QJXZ.com, but I'll bite my tongue with the way the .com's have gone up.

Lets just hope in general prices continue to rise!

Best Regards

Taken from the LLLL.net Countdown Thread....

"the buyout price for the rest of the(LLLL.net)premiums is only $74,850."

I'll be playing the waiting game. When QJXZ.NET is worth $25 I will be a happy domainer

yes , but did you read it correctly? "buyout for the rest of PREMIUMS".

How about the other 200,000 LLLL.net which are not all Premiums? Who`s going to reg all those? And WHEN?

 

[Markith]

yes , but did you read it correctly? "buyout for the rest of PREMIUMS".

How about the other 200,000 LLLL.net which are not all Premiums? Who`s going to reg all those? And WHEN?

I agree, but..... "Who`s going to reg all those?" the same thing was said for LLL's (com&net) and now LLLL.com's.

The fact is that LLLL.net's are decreasing in number and although it will be a few years before we are close I really think we will get there. So adding the time factor it may not be a wise investment. However, you never know when you will have an end user contacting you and for the prices I'll bite a little.

I do know less names + higher demand (domain market is becoming well known, business developement etc....) = higher prices

 

[cache]

I agree it is too earlier now.

 

[currenz]

Does anyone know the word "capped" ?

Because this is not an opinion but a fact:

LLLL.com are depending on LLL.com prices

LLLL.net will depend on LLLL.com prices and partially LLL.net prices

So, By choosing to buy LLLL.net , the potential ROI is already a lot more capped.

Also, while a $10 yearly renewal fee for a crappy LLLL.com will mean like 5% or less of it`s value (based any LLLL.com will reach $230 - $250 by end of the year to reach 1/26 of LLL.com prices) , while a $6 yearly renewal fee for a LLLL.net may mean 50% of it`s potential value.

What do you think of the min. reseller price of CVCV.com and premium LLLL.com?

How about comparing the potential ROI of premium LLLL.net with premium LLLL.com? Or comparing the potential ROI of non premium CVCV.net with non premium CVCV.com?

 

[duceman]

I'll agree that the 4L.net's may be a higher risk than 4L.com's. But I also think that the market for great quality .nets will rise faster than that of poor quality .com's.

IMO this market is the same as real estate. Instead of 'location location location' its 'quality quality quality'.

my 2c

 

[sashas]

buy if you can afford to hold. Thats it. If you need to rush to make sales, then no point in buying.

 

[Pred]

I'll agree that the 4L.net's may be a higher risk than 4L.com's. But I also think that the market for great quality .nets will rise faster than that of poor quality .com's.

IMO this market is the same as real estate. Instead of 'location location location' its 'quality quality quality'.

my 2c

i don't agree with that

example is even a hideous combo LLL.com far outstrips a good LLL.net
say $6.5k >> $7k for not a great .com
say $1400 for a nice LLL.net

also the buying out of LLLL.net (if happens) will only help price of LLLL.com to distance itself even further from the net

killer is its a net.
also in the LLLL stakes
word first
cvcv etc next
premium letters next
others (if ever regged) will only be regfee

also for .nets to do ok, the .coms have to continue to do awesome and took a long time for the 3L to get going

i agree go for quality when u can get it, but theres half a million and when the coms are often very affordable, that will be the undoing

i'm interested in so many diferent extensions and types of domains i genuinely wish everyone best though as hate naysayers lol

think about who will use though. and yes i may get a couple. but just a couple!
:sold: