The LLLL.com sales and discussion thread

[italiandragon]

Hello, I think it would be pretty useful to keep track of all LLLL.com sales , even the little ones under $100 so that , pretty soon , when the available LLLL.com will be finished , we`ll have a better idea on market prices.

It is important that these sales are confirmed. So before to post, make sure payment went OK.

I will start with todays` Sedo confirmed sales:

FISE.com 2,700 Euros
TSRT.com US $760
VEUP.com US $1,700


Also, I found interesting to see this average LLLL, getting bids up to $51 and reserve not me. It says it all.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...110154111735_W0QQ_trksidZm37QQfromZR40QQfviZ1

 

[Sameh]

Sold rrlh.com & rbhm.com for $179 each on DNF.

 

[italiandragon]

price fluctuations like the ones we had between the buyout and today are normal.

Considering we had the worst recession since 1930 and stock markets lost about 50 % from their picks in each Country, I would be surprised if domains were gaining in price when also house prices were falling.

What is important to note is that endusers sales in the $1,000 - $3,000 range at the various sites kept coming all the time.

You try to buy a LLLL.com from someone out of domain forums for less than $500: you are lucky if you get a reply. That says it all.

Of course if you are worried about renewals my advice is not to get into this at all.

Why BuyDomains has been successful at this? They pay us $10 to $30 for a nice one and wait to sell it for nothing less than $500 but most of the times much more.

 

[snoop]

price fluctuations like the ones we had between the buyout and today are normal.

Considering we had the worst recession since 1930 and stock markets lost about 50 % from their picks in each Country, I would be surprised if domains were gaining in price when also house prices were falling.

80%-100% falls are a long way from "normal". The LLLL.com area has been a basket case.

What is important to note is that endusers sales in the $1,000 - $3,000 range at the various sites kept coming all the time.

That is no surpise, they happened a long time before the buyout aswell.

You try to buy a LLLL.com from someone out of domain forums for less than $500: you are lucky if you get a reply. That says it all.

This is another example of wild exaggeration that we have seen from you before. Offer to buy random LLLL.com's for $500 and your PM box will be full in an hour. The minimum looks to be under $5 right now. It is a bit like the time you claimed LLL.com started at $10k, when the minimum was actually 6k and that LLLL.com would soon reach $250 minimum. Of course they reached $0.

Why BuyDomains has been successful at this?

They buy quality domains businesses would want. Not random meaningless names.

 

[italiandragon]

80%-100% falls are a long way from "normal". The LLLL.com area has been a basket case.



That is no surpise, they happened a long time before the buyout aswell.



This is another example of wild exaggeration that we have seen from you before. Offer to buy random LLLL.com's for $500 and your PM box will be full in an hour. The minimum looks to be under $5 right now. It is a bit like the time you claimed LLL.com started at $10k, when the minimum was actually 6k and that LLLL.com would soon reach $250 minimum. Of course they reached $0.



They buy quality domains businesses would want. Not random meaningless names.

replying to you is pointless as you can`t even read properly anymore what I write.

 

[-REECE-]

One problem I see with starting a new marketplace is how one would go about differentiating oneself from what is already out there. I've been a fan of Bido since it started up, however I doubt very much it would have succeeded had it's founders not had a sizeable domain portfolio from which they could afford to "sacrifice" some of their weaker names from -- who wants to auction their domains on a brand new marketplace at no reserve?

The other real killer, as mentioned previously, is advertising. Targeted advertising in this industry is incredibly expensive. The only cheap route seems to be advertising on domain blogs, however I'm not sure what percentage of a domain blog's readers are as interested and invested in domains as the kind of people who frequent domain forums, domain conferences, etc (re: the kind of people you would want to register at your new marketplace). Judging by the eCPM domain blogs are charging versus targeted industry events and forums, I'm led to believe it's probably not very high.

I have to agree with Snoop on this one -- with the economy and short domain prices as they are today, it would most likely prove to be even more difficult to successfully introduce a short domain marketplace.

Charging commission would be nice but realistically looking at what's already out there, you're probably not going to be able to charge very much unless/until you get better results than the players already out there. Nobody is going to complain about paying a steep commission if you get them double for their domain what they otherwise could have, however that really is overly optimistic thinking in my opinion and I do think zero commission on top of zero listing fees would probably be one of the few ways to entice people to give it a try. If you do that (like I tried with BQB), you're making absolutely zero and are completely reliant on advertisers to support your site. The one unfortunate thing someone trying this like I did will soon find out is that most of the largest advertisers in this industry are... the other domain marketplaces. They're probably not going to be overly enthusiastic about helping a site succeed at their expense.

Even if we were somehow able to find people happy to pay a commission (listing fees would definitely not work in my opinion), that means we need to generate sales if we want to turn a profit or even break-even. A quick look at the prices being asked on domain forums, domain marketplaces, and domain conferences will reveal that either:

a) Most domainers haven't the least clue what their domain is *actually* worth, so they pick some large number which they'd be happy to see it sell for.
b) Most domainers aren't interested in selling at reseller/domainer prices.
c) Most domainers *think* end users abound for their domains and expect other domainers to pay end user prices for them on domainer marketplaces.

I've never understood the logic of asking end user prices in a non-end user environment (eg. domain forums). You don't have to be an industry expert to understand why a marketplace solely composed exclusively of domainers is not going to support end user prices. That's the real problem... If you can't find end users and every serious domainer is already a member on other large domain marketplaces, what makes you different and how do you go about getting better prices for domains than people can get on their own or at other existing domain marketplaces?

The idea of am exclusively short domain list / newsletter similar to that offered by Rick Latona but only for short domains is an interesting concept, however most short domains just aren't worth enough to make this worth the time of the person putting this together. If one looks at the short domains selling for $1000+ (even a $1000 sale would only be $100 at 10% commission), pretty much all of them are either end user sales, LLL.coms, or LLLL.coms that might have 4 letters but get their value for other, often obvious, reasons. If they're the type of short domains that have 3-4 letters but are dictionary words, well-known acronyms, receive massive type-in traffic, revenue, etc, I don't see why they wouldn't see better results at an existing marketplace.

 

[italiandragon]

For the people who can read what I write, this is just a coincidence:

I am working on something and I came up with an acronym I needed KGSC so I had a look if there a possibility to get this one for cheap......after looking the home page I`m not even going to bother sending him a message....."in the region of $4,850..."

the thing that pisses me most is the odd number

The domain name kgsc.com and/or website are available for sale.


:bah:

 

[-REECE-]

That particular company seems to price most of their LLLL.coms in that price range. I do think the psychological pricing strategy of asking $4850 might discourage a lowball offer more than asking $5000 which seems more like the number was chosen out of thin air (although I'm sure in this case so too was the $4850).

For the people who can read what I write, this is just a coincidence:

I am working on something and I came up with an acronym I needed KGSC so I had a look if there a possibility to get this one for cheap......after looking the home page I`m not even going to bother sending him a message....."in the region of $4,850..."

the thing that pisses me most is the odd number

The domain name kgsc.com and/or website are available for sale.


:bah:

 

[sidekick_33]

That particular company seems to price most of their LLLL.coms in that price range. I do think the psychological pricing strategy of asking $4850 might discourage a lowball offer more than asking $5000 which seems more like the number was chosen out of thin air (although I'm sure in this case so too was the $4850).

It's nice to see you back Reece. You can tell that final exam period must be over! Hopefully you'll have more free time on your hands now.

 

[snoop]

For the people who can read what I write, this is just a coincidence:

I am working on something and I came up with an acronym I needed KGSC so I had a look if there a possibility to get this one for cheap......after looking the home page I`m not even going to bother sending him a message....."in the region of $4,850..."

the thing that pisses me most is the odd number

The domain name kgsc.com and/or website are available for sale.


:bah:

What someone asks for a domain doesn't mean much, we see this all over the industry.

 

[WORDSWORTH]

Ooops. Sorry. I guess I was kind of offhand with my list of "call-outs".

Thanks for your reply, maxeaus. And, you are right about one thing. Without the support of people like the regular contributors to this forum, it stands no chance of making a difference.

For clarification, here is the outline of my idea :

A "free" listing site for premium LLLL.com. (as you said, all-premium, cvcv, etc. -- some kind of agreed upon minimum quality) Not a sales marketplace, but an active index of available premium four letter domains... the only requirements for a listing would be a BIN price (link to the sponsoring marketplace, website, etc.)

Of course, it would be also acceptable to have the individual listings display with a text box so that the seller could identify an opening bid they would consider sending to auction, or offer some other payment structure besides BIN price. However, forcing the sellers to commit to a listed BIN price (even if high) will provide the marketplace with a real range of prices, and in theory, keep inventory moving.

Why do it? Why spend the money on hosting, etc. to provide free listings?

Because I'm invested in the market. I will benefit by seeing the market improve, across the board.

Because I think by organizing what is available (in terms of premium LLLL.com) on the aftermarket the whole niche might get some real momentum, and prices might start moving toward BuyDomains style four figure sales more often even for triple premiums and the rest... The top will get real hot attention, but the rest might benefit from "trickle down interest".

In a perfect world, the domain for the job of promoting the value in "premium" four letter domains, in my opinion, is the one recently sold by Reece. But since I don't have access to that, I will try to come up with something. That is, provided the members here see the opportunity as I do, and encourage me to continue, or can help me come up with a better idea. My intention is to help raise the real value of short (read: LLLL.com) domains.

Thanks again... and please keep the conversation going. Positive momentum in the market is a good thing.

I love the idea but a free listings site like this is going to take time and money to produce and run effectively. I admire your enthusiasm but with little or no money coming in, this will likely wane over time IMO and the site will suffer. Along with affiliate and other advertising, maybe you could offer featured listings and other paid listing upgrades once the site is established.

 

[TOXX]

Just got these...what do you guys think?
...
FKJF.COM
LGEV.COM
FMBU.COM
JTFU.COM
VSKK.COM
LPNV.COM
GPHU.COM
DFUH.COM
DHVM.COM
GKHH.COM
MKPV.COM
DGDV.COM
HBGV.COM
HLPV.COM
UPVL.COM
LBKV.COM
TKMU.COM
PSEV.COM
FDPY.COM
DHBU.COM
DVJD.COM
JIPV.COM
...
Thanks!

 

[sidekick_33]

Just got these...what do you guys think?
...
FKJF.COM
LGEV.COM
FMBU.COM
JTFU.COM
VSKK.COM
LPNV.COM
GPHU.COM
DFUH.COM
DHVM.COM
GKHH.COM
MKPV.COM
DGDV.COM
HBGV.COM
HLPV.COM
UPVL.COM
LBKV.COM
TKMU.COM
PSEV.COM
FDPY.COM
DHBU.COM
DVJD.COM
JIPV.COM
...
Thanks!

There's some one's that I like it that pile you got there, I am especially fond of the ones that end in U for some reason (DBHU, GPHU, etc.). As well it would be nice it DVJD was some sort of typo or DVD, but I don't see how that possible. That's a decent list there.

 

[Lakshan]

Just got these...what do you guys think?
...
FKJF.COM
LGEV.COM
FMBU.COM
JTFU.COM
VSKK.COM
LPNV.COM
GPHU.COM
DFUH.COM
DHVM.COM
GKHH.COM
MKPV.COM
DGDV.COM
HBGV.COM
HLPV.COM
UPVL.COM
LBKV.COM
TKMU.COM
PSEV.COM
FDPY.COM
DHBU.COM
DVJD.COM
JIPV.COM
...
Thanks!

Where did you get those? TDNX?

 

[TOXX]

Where did you get those? TDNX?

No, on DNF...why?

 

[aleminio]

where should i sell aeza.com in order to try and get the maximum price out of it?

 

[Lakshan]

No, on DNF...why?

Didint see on sale at TDNX or Snap
Nice Names:imho:

 

[Soofi]

Acquired TULY,com :D

 

[Semtex]

Acquired TULY,com :D

Nice name. Easily worth 3K.

On a side note..........

I have noticed something very interesting at TDNAM. There are usually 500-700 LLLL.com names dropping over the course of 10 days. The next 10 days coming up, there are only 100 names dropping. I have also noticed that double and triple premium names have went up $5-$10 on average over the last month. It seems that there are a few dozen more buyers in this niche that are driving prices up. I have also noted that Namejet $69 names are now continuously ending for $79 and $99 more frequently.

 

[ODST.com]

Nice name. Easily worth 3K.

On a side note..........

I have noticed something very interesting at TDNAM. There are usually 500-700 LLLL.com names dropping over the course of 10 days. The next 10 days coming up, there are only 100 names dropping. I have also noticed that double and triple premium names have went up $5-$10 on average over the last month. It seems that there are a few dozen more buyers in this niche that are driving prices up. I have also noted that Namejet $69 names are now continuously ending for $79 and $99 more frequently.

What are the quality of names ending at namejet?

 

[TOXX]

Didint see on sale at TDNX or Snap
Nice Names:imho:

Thanks! ...which ones are worth the most iYho?
...
Also, anyone selling a nice brandable CVCV.com name, please PM me.
...
P.S. What do you guys think of eROV.com?