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The net could see its biggest transformation in decades if plans to open up the address system are passed.

The net's regulators will vote on Thursday to decide if the strict rules on so-called top level domain names, such as .com or .uk, can be relaxed.

If approved, it could allow companies to turn their brands into domain names while individuals could also carve out their own corner of the net.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7468855.stm
 
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Agree completely. These idiots who call themselves ICANN have been abusing their power for far too long and they won't get away with this one.

They're living in a dreamworld if they think companies like Marchex, Demand Media, Sedo, Thought Covergence, etc are going to be okay with this and not do everything in their power to see this never put into place.

I wonder how Google feels about having to come up with a brand new search algorithm because everyone is going to start going Black Hat on them...

This is going to get ugly. That's about all I'm sure of.


bmugford said:
There is a lot of speculation here.

First of all ICANN is not going to allow extensions under 3 letters, or extensions similar to others. So you are not going to see .COM typos, or .USA when there is a .US

Second, there is no way this happens anytime soon other than possibly TM names because.

1.) This will be a nightmare for Google, and without Google this is a non starter.
2.) If you think people who own domains like Sex.com, XXX.com, Poker.com, etc. won't lock this up in court for years you are dreaming.

There are just as many big time rich owners of those premium domains now that will fight to protect their brand.
 
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This icann statement, makes me want to hold my .com's more, I was considering letting some keywords drop, but after the statement, I continue to renew them, as I think quality variety .com is going to be the prize catch, if this icann thing ever goes through uncontested
 
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I just saw a clip about this on my local, small town, news. Seems to be making alot of noise. They keep reffering to it as people able to reg their own domain names. I'm like, " we already can!", LOL, "It's domain extension".. hah
 
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Badger said:
Already the main stream media over here are signaling the end to the domain industry

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2008/06/27/do2707.xml
Agree Brad, that story was the biggest load of uneducated bull dust from start to finish. Starting with the McDonalds.com story: The true story goes: Quote from : technology.inc.com (although I do not approve of cybersqatting) "Quittner ended up selling the brand (mcdonalds.com) to the fast food giant, and donated the money to charity" If I remember correctly he got Mcdonalds to buy computers for a disadvantaged school

Kind of a different ending to the story to that of the 'bulldust' telegraph.co.uk article, Quote: "the cyber-squatter, was born in 1996 when Joshua Quittner of Wired magazine registered McDonalds.com and invited readers to email [email protected] with suggestion for what he should do with it. Opportunists bought up huge swathes of the web and sat on them in the hope that someone would come along and throw money at them. Those that weren't ignored were sometimes rewarded with a pay-off, sometimes with a court case"

The Telegraph article then procedes to talk a few more paragraphs of total and utter uneducated bulldust, with an underlying message that all domainers do, is buy trademarked domain names like Coca Cola and then try and extort the rightful owner. Noobs do that, not domainers :bah:

I can only hope that the journalist who wrote: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2008/06/27/do2707.xml
Was a 'noob' or they have no excuse for dishing out such bulldust and no excuse for total lack of research, I will make up my own bulldust story as I go mentality
 
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Would you rather purchase an airline ticket from AA.COM or American.Airlines?

Would you rather visit Mcdonalds.food or MCD.COM? Short .COMS are obviously the best route there and will continue to be.

ICANN is a joke of an organization especially with their lousy excuse for reserving 1-letter .coms in 1993-2008.

If ICANN wants to disburse something of value they can start by releasing the one letter .coms (they have no right to reserve btw) and release them via random lottery to 23 people across the globe willing to pay a 10.00 registration fee.
 
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Why isn't the ante $25k? $50k? or $75k? but $100k?? This business plan is obviously targeting corporations, expecting them to protect their marks @ $100k a piece.

As with most new tlds, this is simply a ploy to generate huge amounts of $$$.

Simplicity & over a decade and a half of end-user familiarity will trump icann.greed
 
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Wow the telegraph comes off as ignorant, stupid and in need of counseling.

First off there are two types of extensions that could come out.

The corporate tld like .ebay
IMO domainers should not care about these because you have no right to any domain with EBAY in the name. So who cares this actually helps legitimate domainers vs squatters. Now someone with an EBAY .com domain would be totally worthless because the public would get to know .ebay real fast. So legit domainers lose nothing here. Who cares if there is a .ibm I do not have any right to any domain infringing the IBM Trademark.

Second Type of TLD the generic. .sex or .shop or .gfy
There will be tons of domainers lining up to get the best, so these will not be great hot developed websites. Someone will park Free.sex and be fine. Secondly the average person not a DOMAINER will type in at least 30% of the time www.free.sex.com. SEX.com gains traffic IMO.

There will also be a ton of Legal action and even if they cannot win they will tie it up for years and no .sex. Plus the govt will probably get involved in .xxx and .sex.

The corporations now have to go after squatters in 100 tld because is EBAY besides creating their cool .ebay, going to reg ebay.shop, ebay.store,ebay.web and 100 more. Because some idiot will. Again IMO
 
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Well, I think the Corporates will love this idea. Getting their own extension & proudly advertising it.. I'm sure they'd be happy. Plus, it reduces phishing possibilities.

I think 4 types of extensions wud be taken.

1. Corporate TLDs. Like .ebay, .ibm etc.

2. Generic - .shop, .sex etc.

3. Geo Targetted - Like .nyc, .berlin etc. I'm sure that the businesses in these cities would love these extensions. But, if the extensions would be charged $100k PER ANNUM (is it one time or per annum?), not sure if this one would bring ROI for many cities.

4. Free Domain Model (.go, .con etc) - I see a few short extensions being used for giving away free domains to hundreds of thousands of users (thus making it popular), and then selling good keyword domains in that extension for a good fee. This method clubbed with advertising on "free" websites can bring in decent ROI.

I do see the value of .com, .net & .orgs coming down, atleast a little bit. .coms are still the most valuable for big companies - that is only to prevent lost traffic.
 
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We should get an investment group going. $1000 x 500 people = $500,000 = ~ a tld

Just a thought ;)
 
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equity78 said:
The corporations now have to go after squatters in 100 tld because is EBAY besides creating their cool .ebay, going to reg ebay.shop, ebay.store,ebay.web and 100 more. Because some idiot will. Again IMO

I don't think that can happen. The one who owns .shop has spent $100k & he wouldn't want to lose his rights to the extension and the money invested by trying to do something stupid!

Domainsquatters can do with normal .com / .net domains, coz they put only $7 into a domain they register. They have nothing to lose!
 
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Not what I am talking about, IMO whoever gets .shop is going to want to sell domains, not just have an extension and do nothing with ,and some have said it will be mandatory to run the extension. You will sell domains like .mobi or .asia etc.........
 
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Reece said:
Agree completely. These idiots who call themselves ICANN have been abusing their power for far too long and they won't get away with this one.

They're living in a dreamworld if they think companies like Marchex, Demand Media, Sedo, Thought Covergence, etc are going to be okay with this and not do everything in their power to see this never put into place.

I wonder how Google feels about having to come up with a brand new search algorithm because everyone is going to start going Black Hat on them...

This is going to get ugly. That's about all I'm sure of.

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I wonder what makes a TLD good or bad
We all saw many TLDs popping up
None of them succeed to break the .com "monopoly"
The companies that applied for .info , .biz .... had a detailed plan for the registry and they should also have large cash for it
What makes the previous TLD acquiring procedure different from this one ?
The fact that now it's easier but still need the same money (or more if the TLD ext. is auctioned) ?

All the known TLDs failed to take a decent share from the old TLDs even they had a marketing plan, a budget, different pricing policies.....

If ebay or any other company wanted to run a registry had the money and the power to do it anytime they wanted
Maybe large corps will get their name as a TLD extension too, so what ?

Is it the name of TLD that will flip the whole situation ?
I don't think so (for example i like much better pro from com as a name)

TLDs and Domain Trends are just a set of characters
The developed sites, their growth, the big companies that give their awareness to the TLD, the price and the tools, the people suggesting the TLD.... are the main factors for TLD success or not

Now if one new TLD manage to get 100 big corps like coca cola and 200 "little ones" like Microsoft use their TLD exclusively (and not with redirection) maybe this TLD have a chance to play at the same level with .net

I see only confusion to the users from this move
The ccTLD is a daily and total massacre
Thousands per day go to parked pages of .couk.com type (just an example) and even plain .com has lost visitors from people typing .kom at the end (and MANY OTHER typo examples)

Thousands believe that a name without the www. has wrong spelling and they type the www. even if you don't tell them to.

Are we really serious to say that this was a move from ICANN to give the chance for "everybody" to have a decent name ?
First of all with these money i don't think we can talk for "everybody" and second there are so many unregistered names with the current TLDs that even if you have unlimited money and time couldn't register them all in one lifetime

Anyway well done for ICANN
They could now increase their salary and take each one their dream car, house, plane, spaceship...
ICANN loved the idea of Sedo and now they decided to auction the TLDs
WHy didn't they get a LLLL.com to do it better ?
We can sell them one cheap, don't' we ?
 
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I think we shouldnt worry. There is huge huge money at play here, more then anyone here on NP probably has.

First of all there will be millions of dollars in legal action. As other intelligent posters have already said sex.com will look to stop .sex and poker.com would look to stop .poker.

Secondly the bidding wars would be huge. .car or something would give the owner whole control of the extension and so wouldnt all car companies want to own it? These companies spend millions of dollars each year in projects which may or may not help them develop better cars without much hesitation so why wouldnt they spend millions on owning the .car tld?

Also there wont be thousands of extensions, apart from maybe companies buying there brand, some new useful extensions like .xxx, IDN extensions and generics there wont be anything else. Its not only 100k, infrastructure costs will be huge. It will probably cost 1 mil to get an extension off the ground without a bidding war. At 10$ a name they would have to sell 100,000 domains just to make up the cost of launching it and I doubt any extension not involved in a bidding war will sell that many.

With all this money involved all I can see to come from this is another .com (or should I say .tld) crash. Millions of dollars will be invested due to speculation., with no real return.

There are a number of reasons ICANN did this. They were in big trouble if they didnt create a new system to allow IDN extensions. Countries were threatening to do it themselves. So by doing this they protect there power. Secondly, it costs lots to do this so they saw a way of making money by offering other extensions for sale. Finally, I also think they didnt like the way domainers play the game, so they changed the game.
 
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Internet group opens door to domains beyond .com

source: USA TODAY

Starting in early 2009, almost any word will be able to replace ".com" in a Web page address. That opens the door for addresses such as www.restaurants.sanfrancisco or www.books.amazon.

The decision was made Thursday by the organization that manages the technical underpinnings of the Web, the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers. ICANN, a non-profit based in Marina del Rey, Calif., wants "to increase competition and choice," CEO Paul Twomey says.

The news is likely to spark a scramble for desirable addresses, called top-level domains. It could force businesses to register thousands of domains to protect their brands. And it could make some Web pages easier — and some harder — to find.

"It is an amazing development," says Tom Lowenhaupt, who heads Connecting.nyc, a New York City community group pushing for a ".nyc" domain.

Details are still in the works. But ICANN says that registrants applying for a top-level domain must prove that they have the ability to manage the sizable technical task of running it, or have hired someone who does.

They'll also have to pay up. Fees haven't been set but could start around $100,000. Popular domains could be auctioned, Twomey says.

Not all words qualify. An application can be thrown out if it conflicts with a trademark (".pepsi"), is too similar to an existing domain (".kom"), is a geopolitical term claimed by a government or other group (".china"), or is a threat to morality or public order.

ICANN previously came under criticism when it considered adding a ".xxx" domain. Twomey says his group doesn't regulate morality and will send all potentially problematic applications to a yet-to-be-determined independent review board.

The Family Research Council, a conservative advocacy group that argued against ".xxx," says that may not be enough. "The main issue is whether … these new domain addresses will make it harder for filters (that block pornography or other undesirable sites) to work," says Chris Gacek, a senior fellow.

Confusion may be another downside. Although some companies, including eBay, argued for additional domains, others may be unhappy to learn that they "have to buy all the variants on their name in order to protect their trademarks," says Gordon Cook, author of trade newsletter The Cook Report on Internet.

And Web surfers may not know where to go to find information. "We don't need anymore top-level domains," Cook says.

Big winners are companies that sell domain names, such as Network Solutions and GoDaddy.com, Cook says. They could reap huge profits from new applications. Cook argues that ICANN is too closely aligned with their interests, but Twomey says his group is just fulfilling a pledge to give website owners more options.

Avi Silberschatz, chair of the computer science department at Yale University, says few people type in domain names anymore. Instead, they use search engines, he says. " 'Yale.edu' … 'whitehouse.gov' … who remembers it?" he says. "You just go to Google."

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That means you're going to see domains like fu*k.sh*t, sh*t.sh*t, sh*t.fu*k, whatisthissh*t.fu*k, and so forth.
 
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I think there have been over 20 threads about that this week! But there is serious concern about all of it and I think it is important that everyone knows the possibilities.
 
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At first I was going to say "This is dumb, everyone will be regging there own .dot" but then I saw they will be able 100k each...in that case, if you can afford it, go ahead!
 
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100,000$ is the catch
so only large firms can afford to register their own extension
 
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darkangel1988 said:
100,000$ is the catch
so only large firms can afford to register their own extension
But if is is a popular term then the large firm will have to go into auction against other large firms, $100,000 will just be the opening bid, could end up going for millions upon millions of dollars for a domain name extension multiple firms want
 
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Another thread on what is been already discussed now in two other threads on the same board.
 
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When is the last time any new ext. has hurt .com?

While this may kill niche exts like .mobi and .biz (or are they rip already) which are still searching for their place, and maybe even hurt .net, it can only serve to strengthen .com as consumer get frustrated and confused and turn to the old standard.

If I want a hotel, am I going to hotels.com, or am I going to go to fool around and try marriott.hotels. What if I don't know what hotel I want? Or how many times am I going to come up empty trying that?
 
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