The appraisal scam....again. -Name Investment Boutique LLC-Brand Domain Name Services

[maxeaus]

My suggestion is that Namepros file a UDRP dispute as hes using your name in bad faith, amongst other illegal things.

From: "George Petersen" [email protected]

I'm thinking about 60,000 - 80,000 USD for your domain. What do you think
about this price range?

Have you had your domain names evaluated in the past? I mean domain
appraisals. Without valuation we cannot be sure in the sale price. It's very
important for me in terms of reselling too. But we must engage a valuation
company with REAL manual service. So I will only accept valuations from
independent sources I and my partners trust.

To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal
companies. Please check this blog with suggestions from other sellers and
buyers:
thenamepros.com/Archive/62931485.htm

Do you sell domain with a web site or just the name?

Domain without content is ok with me. Web site is not necessary.
If, for example, the valuation comes higher you can adjust your asking price
accordingly. It will be fair. I also hope you can give me 12% - 15%
discount.

After you send me the valuation via email (usually it takes 1-2 days to
obtain it) we'll continue our negotiations.

What is your preferred payment method: Escrow.com, International wire
transfer, PayPal.com or something else?

Hope we can come to an agreement fast.

 

[Kate]

Got the feeling this thread is gonna keep going for a while

The topic has been discussed for years. There is no shortage of victims it seems

 

[metaxom]

Got one too:

------
Hello,

We are interested in purchasing your domain name.

Our company is in hosting and domain name business.

Please email us your desired price in USD or euros for the domain name in the subject line.

If you have other names for sale please email us your domains with prices.

Looking forward to doing business with you.

Regards,

Alan Sternberg

Vice President

Doamin Name Boutique Inc.
-----

 

[nwysoc01]

Just bought my first domain name and received a SPAM offer! Beware newbies!

Hey everyone hope all is well! I just purchased my first domain name! I received an email from someone on it already it looks suspicious!

The e-mail reads:

Hello,

We are interested in purchasing your domain name.

Our company is in hosting and domain name business.

Please email us your desired price in USD or euros for the domain name in the subject line.

If you have other names for sale please email us your domains with prices.

Looking forward to doing business with you.

Regards,

Alan Sternberg

Vice President

Doamin Name Boutique Inc.
========================================================
NOTICE - This communication may contain confidential and privileged
information that is for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any
viewing, copying or distribution of, or reliance on this message by
unintended recipients is strictly prohibited. If you have received this
message in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message
and deleting it from your computer.
=============================================


Beware, do your research, if it looks too good to be true, it usually is! Good selling to you all!

 

[Archangel]

I think this thread's saved a lotta money

 

[bill786]

Hehe, keep updating the names, I got the same email from Alan Sternberg and smelled a scam. I did a search on google "Alan Sternberg domain name" and landed on namepros.

This thread is going to save a lot of people from getting scammed

 

[jo90]

Hello People. Well the saying goes if something sounds too good to be true.... it usualy is.
I have been dealing with this guy for a few days now and something smelt a bit fishy.. so I googled his email address and.... oh look here you all are.
Well I'm not too sure what the scam is entirely yet.... I suspect he will want his 15% before I get my $15,000 but lets see. I'll post my corispondance so far as its easier than typing it all out... needless to say I won't be going any further. Cheers for the heads up.

---------- Post added at 04:33 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:09 PM ----------

OK Here's the email trail so far, I've taken out my details but the rest is as is, If you are all interested in me carring on and seeing where this leads to, let me know:-

Michael,

Like I said below,
Sedo.com

You Quote " So I accept real manual appraisals from trusted sources only"
Then point me to some 'here say' sources.
Sedo.com is a manual and trusted source.
Therefor if it takes 7 days then that’s what it takes - you are quite welcome to obtain your own appraisal but I will not be bullied into using a service that I know nothing about just to fast track a sale.

You start off asking me how much I wish to sell my domain for, I tell you.
You then you come back with an offer which far exceeds what I originally wanted...
I accepted, you then tell me that wasn't a real offer just a rough estimate until I get an appraisal. So I then order an appraisal at my cost and now you're telling me its not fast enough!
Look! The appraisal will take as long as it takes, if you're not willing to wait that long then you either take it at $15,000 or I will bid you good day and walk away.

Speaking of trusted sources, I did ask that you place todays date in the subject line to prove that I am talking to a real person. If you reply to me again would you please do so.

Regards





-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Kogan [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: 27 October 2011 16:20
To:
Subject: Re: thedomaininquestion.com

3-7 days? Where did you order it. CDV has 24 hours delivery. I will not wait for 7 days
----- Original Message -----
From:
To: "Michael Kogan" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 6:56 PM
Subject: RE: thedomaininquestion.com


OK No problems I have applied for one now so I'll wait to see what it says and come back to you.
I have already asked sedo.com as they are the company my host recommends and as I don't know these others .

As it's a manual service they say it will take 3-7days so I'll come back to you once I have the result.

Regards



-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Kogan [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: 27 October 2011 15:21
To:
Subject: Re: thedomaininquestion.com

As a seller you should provide me with an appraisal first. This is a reasonable practice.

I've found not all the appraisals are accurate. So I accept real manual appraisals from trusted sources only.

I don't trust $14-$20 services. Nobody will do a research for $14. We need a real manual service.


As to the most known brands: the more orders the company gets, the less time they can afford to spend on each appraisal.

I wanted to use AccurateDomains.com or Afternic.com but looks like this company has a bad reputation. Afternic's appraisal service has a lot of bad reviews.

I was told about manual research service from http://www.DomainMart.com. It costs - $200/hour.

Many experienced sellers suggested us http://www.CertifieddomainValue.com/
as a trustworth manual service. They charge about 50 eur name not per hour.
We've read only positive comments about them. And I have my own positive experience with this company and their support.
----- Original Message -----
From:
To: "Michael Kogan" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 5:46 PM
Subject: RE: thedomaininquestion.com


OK, I'm new to all this. I just thought if you make an offer and I accept it
then that was it.
I have now applied for the domain to be appraised with sedo.com whom I
believe to be a
reputable company to use.

Regards



-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Kogan [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: 25 October 2011 22:18
To:
Subject: Re: thedomaininquestion.com

I see, but it's a standard practice to show independent valuation to
buyers/resellers. Nobody will do business without it. I'm a businessman and
have no intention of changing rules which help both parties to avoid
additional risks.

Of course, investors never take into account auto-generated valuations. So
manual valuation is a "must" too.

I read the following information about appraisals at
http://www.thenamepros.com/Archive/964725093.htm

Without the independent valuation from a trusted source we don't spend a
penny. This is our financial policy. So our offer is just a rought estimate.
If the appraisal comes higher we are ready to offer a bit more. If it comes
lower we will discuss the price with you again.

Thank you for understanding. I'm looking forward to doing business with you.


----- Original Message -----
From:
To: "Michael Kogan" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 5:53 PM
Subject: RE: thedomaininquestion.com


Yes I would be happy to accept 15,000 USD for that domain.

No I've not had the domain evaluated but I'm happy to sell at 15,000 USD
less your 15% discount so £12750 and 50/50 escrow fee

Its just the domain, I had an idea for a site but I never got round to it...
so its now just a well-established domain.

I'm happy to use escrow.com, if you let me know the email address you wish
the escrow to use I'll set up the transaction now,

I also have the .co.uk would you be interested in making an offer on that as
well?

Just to be sure I'm not dealing with an automated response on your next
reply would you also please include todays date in the subject.

Regards




-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Kogan [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: 25 October 2011 13:30
To:
Subject: Re: thedomaininquestion.com

What do you think about 15,000 USD for your domain name?

Have you had your domain names evaluated in the past? I mean domain
appraisals. Without valuation we cannot be sure in the sale price. It's very
important for me in terms of reselling too. But we must engage a valuation
company with REAL manual service. So I will only accept valuations from
independent sources I and my partners trust.

To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal
companies. Please check this blog with suggestions from other sellers and
buyers:
http://www.thenamepros.com/Archive/964725093.htm

Do you sell domain with a web site or just the name?

Domain without content is ok with me. Web site is not necessary.

If, for example, the valuation comes higher you can adjust your asking price
accordingly. It will be fair. I also hope you can give me 12% - 15%
discount.

After you send me the valuation via email (usually it takes 1-2 days to
obtain it) we'll continue our negotiations.

What is your preferred payment method: Escrow.com, International wire
transfer, PayPal.com or something else?

Hope we can come to an agreement fast.

Looking forward to your reply.
----- Original Message -----
From:
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 3:25 PM
Subject: RE: thedomaininquestion.com


> Hello,
> My current portfolio of saleable domains are below,
> All domains are priced at GBP 2000 which at the moment works out at about
> USD 3196 or EUR 2295
> I will consider a reduces offer, especially when purchasing .co.uk and
> .com
> together
> All transferred will be done through sedo's escrow service.
>
> Regards
>
>
>
(I've removed the domains)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: 23 October 2011 06:12
> To:
> Subject: re: thedomaininquestion.com
>
> Hello,
>
> We are interested in purchasing your domain name.
>
> Our company is in hosting and domain name business.
>
> Please email us your desired price in USD or euros for the domain name in
> the subject line.
>
> If you have other names for sale please email us your domains with prices.
>
> Looking forward to doing business with you.
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael Kogan
>
> President
>
> Name Investment Boutique LLC
> ========================================================
> NOTICE - This communication may contain confidential and privileged
> information that is for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any
> viewing,
> copying or distribution of, or reliance on this message by unintended
> recipients is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in
> error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and
> deleting
> it from your computer.
> ========================================================
>
>

 

[jo90]

He's still, Michael Kogan with me, here's his latest reply

Unfortunately , Sedo is not acceptable as an appraiser because your names are listed with them and they are not independent.

Last but not least, they are interested in earning 10% commission on every sale. I need appraisals from a company which is not interested in selling your domains.

I heard many appraisal companies often made inaccurate appraisals. So I cannot accept appraisal from each and every site. I will only accept appraisals from independent appraisal companies I know and trust

 

[recluse99]

We should all send him emails to waste his time, every one waste one minute of his life, and his miserable,cheating life will consumed with answering bogus emails.

I told him to get his own appraisal done, he offered these services, hahaha , what a chump.

..from his re:email
I've found not all the appraisals are accurate. So I accept real manual
appraisals from trusted sources only.

I don't trust $14-$20 services. Nobody will do a research for $14. We need a
real manual service.


As to the most known brands: the more orders the company gets, the less time
they can afford to spend on each appraisal.

I wanted to use AccurateDomai**.com or Aftern**.com but looks like this
company has a bad reputation. Aftern**'s appraisal service has a lot of bad
reviews.

I was told about manual research service from It
costs - $200/hour.

Many experienced sellers suggested us
as a trustworth manual service. They charge about 50 eur name not per hour.
We've read only positive comments about them. And I have my own positive
experience with this company and their support.

---------- Post added at 07:59 AM ---------- Previous post was at 07:53 AM ----------

Here is what one appraisal place from above states about 'SCAMMING'
----


Appraisal & Valuation Services
Scam Warning

Dear Valued Customer:

If a person contacts you to buy your domain name and mentions DomainMart as one of the acceptable appraisers, watch out. There is a high likelihood that the supposed “buyer” actually wants you to buy a cut-rate appraisal done by them and/or to click on the AdSense links. Don’t fall for it.

If in doubt about the legitimacy of an appraisal request, please don’t hesitate to contact us.

Regards,
Alex Tajirian, CEO

 

[DnEbook]

Is there a stand alone 'sticky thread' in the newbies section warning all new comers to this ongoing scam, if not can one be started

Would be nice to show these clowns the word is out

 

[RevolutionaryDomains]

^^ Good idea! You should post it in the suggestion section. Here's the link:

http://www.namepros.com/namepros-info-and-suggestions/


-Regards

 

[Lazysoft]

Yet another Mail from Alan Steinberg - Scammer.

Today i got this email from Name-Boutique.com -this domain redirects to the real thing NameBoutique.com - I Have contacted the owner of the domain Nameboutique.com and told him about it - hopefuly he will take action to get the copydomain out of the marked. -


The Email:

Hello,

We are interested in purchasing your domain name.

Our company is in hosting and domain name business.

Please email us your desired price in USD or euros for the domain name in the subject line.

If you have other names for sale please email us your domains with prices.

Looking forward to doing business with you.

Regards,

Alan Sternberg

Vice President

Doamin Name Boutique Inc.
========================================================
NOTICE - This communication may contain confidential and privileged
information that is for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any
viewing, copying or distribution of, or reliance on this message by
unintended recipients is strictly prohibited. If you have received this
message in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message
and deleting it from your computer.
========================================================

 

[masoncomplex]

noob here and just wondering, yes i know this is a stupid question but i have to ask... has anybody made any money off this guy?

 

[G33K]

Got the same one but the name was Aaron Trachtenberg

 

[G33K]

I think he targets domains. Being sold on eBay. I was selling one there too.

 

[Argos]

Got the same one but the name was Aaron Trachtenberg

Idem for me concerning a name listed at Sedo

---------- Post added at 10:31 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:53 PM ----------

Just got this email from the so called Aaron Trachtenberg
President, Domain Boutique :

"What do you think about 10,000 USD for your domain name?

Have you had your domain names evaluated in the past? I mean domain appraisals. Without valuation we cannot be sure in the sale price. It's very important for me in terms of reselling too. But we must engage a valuation company with REAL manual service. So I will only accept valuations from independent sources I and my partners trust.

To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal companies. Please check this blog with suggestions from other sellers and buyers:


Do you sell domain with a web site or just the name?

Domain without content is ok with me. Web site is not necessary.

If, for example, the valuation comes higher you can adjust your asking price accordingly. It will be fair. I also hope you can give me 12% - 15% discount.

After you send me the valuation via email (usually it takes 1-2 days to obtain it) we'll continue our negotiations.

What is your preferred payment method: Escrow.com, International wire transfer, PayPal.com or something else?

Hope we can come to an agreement fast."

:zzz:

 

[timeaxis]

This Scammer is now operating as "Alan Steinberg" [email protected]

This is the same scammer now operating on a different domain name, and new email.

[email protected]

he scans domain names for sale on ebay which is where I posted my name for sale, and does a whois to directly correspond with you... he asks counteroffers a bid about 5k lower than your original request. After you get your hopes up, he also requests an appraisal but is not willing to spend a dime to enter into any negotiations correspondance, and wants an appraisal within the next few days. This guy then provides a forum link on thenamepros.com website which gives you the impression that certifiednamevalue.com is an outstanding company to get an appraisal from, which leads you to think that this is the company to get an appraisal from... this scammer is most likely affiliated with this appraisal company, or is getting a cut for directing traffic there. I felt this way and went ahead and got 3 domain names appraised by them which was lower than my expectations by 20k, and i emailed this guy the links to these appraisals and he has not responded, and has used the exact same language as depicted above and uses similar email addresses and registered domains with the - between words.

here is an excerpt of his emails to me:

Hello,

We are interested in purchasing your domain name.

Our company is in hosting and domain name business.

Please email us your desired price in USD or euros for the domain name in the subject line.

If you have other names for sale please email us your domains with prices.

Looking forward to doing business with you.

Regards,

Alan Sternberg

--------------------------------

What do you think about 35,000 USD for your domain name?

Have you had your domain names evaluated in the past? I mean domain appraisals. Without valuation we cannot be sure in the sale price. It's very important for me in terms of reselling too. But we must engage a valuation company with REAL manual service. So I will only accept valuations from independent sources I and my partners trust.

To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal companies. Please check this blog with suggestions from other sellers and buyers:


Do you sell domain with a web site or just the name?

Domain without content is ok with me. Web site is not necessary.

If, for example, the valuation comes higher you can adjust your asking price accordingly. It will be fair. I also hope you can give me 12% - 15% discount.

After you send me the valuation via email (usually it takes 1-2 days to obtain it) we'll continue our negotiations.

What is your preferred payment method: Escrow.com, International wire transfer, PayPal.com or something else?

Hope we can come to an agreement fast.

Looking forward to your reply

-------------------------------------

I see, but it's a standard practice to show independent valuation to
buyers/resellers. Nobody will do business without it. I'm a businessman and
have no intention of changing rules which help both parties to avoid
additional risks.

Of course, investors never take into account auto-generated valuations. So
manual valuation is a "must" too.

I read the following information about appraisals at


Without the independent valuation from a trusted source we don't spend a
penny. This is our financial policy. So our offer is just a rought estimate.
If the appraisal comes higher we are ready to offer a bit more. If it comes
lower we will discuss the price with you again.

Thank you for understanding. I'm looking forward to doing business with you

---------------------------------

(At this point I go to the link he provided who seems happy with, and get an appraisal by the company

I submit my link of the appraised values and this is his response:

------------------------------------

Thank you. I accept your valuation. It's very professional and reasonable.

Unfortunately, our client has bought a big package recently and does not
have enough money to buy your domain right now. He is asking to wait for 1-2
months.

If we buy the domain direct from you we won't be able to transfer it for two
months due to ICAAN rule. This rule prohibits reselling during two months
after purchasing.

Of course, we will do our best to force our buyer to buy as soon as
possible. But I suggest you not to reserve the domain for one month. Why
wait? I'm sure we
can resell your domain to other buyers. We have several potential buyers for
your name. If you agree with to pay us 15% commission upon every
sale we will start tomorrow.

I wrote about reselling in first emails. The buyer will pay 85% to you and
15% to me.If this sale fails I will look for other buyers. I've already
bought opt-in lists to promote your domains. I invested about $150 in these
opt-in lists.

I'm going to use your valuation in my promotio? Is it ok with you?

We should use escrow.com or other reliable service for escrow and transfer.
For example, if you list domains with
we
can avoid the brokerage fee (10% at Sedo.com). They don't charge commission
upon
sale and offers free escrow. So we can save up to 10%-15%.

Let me know what you think about my offer. I'm very interested in doing
business with you.

-------------------------------

Now at this point this guy wants to be your
friend and help you sell this domain name to
his clientelle for a percentage profit.

So he wants to help you sell it at your cost of the appraisal...

The end result:
I now have 172.00 less in my bsnk account I could of used for something more lucrative, like great hosting space and even paid a starving webmaster to make a nice cover page for my domain names.

NICE SCAM!

Best of luck to others. :bah:

---------- Post added at 11:29 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:31 PM ----------

Heres my recent email to this scammer... you all should do the same... here is what I wrote:

Alan, I have checked my Paypal balance and have been offended that you have not made your negotiations payment of $200.00 yet. You need to pay me these negotiations fees because this has cost me $172.00 to
provide you these appraisals, and I was extremely timely in the pursuit of this sale.

If you do not provide me the non-refundable negotiations amount, I will pursue legal action against your ISP if they do not provide me with your IP address. Once I have your IP address, I will be contacting your local authorities, and they will come and arrest you... I have overwhelming evidence of this scam you are doing, and will be filing a class action lawsuit against you and your affiliates... So tell me... what is your decision?

---------- Post added at 11:30 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:29 PM ----------

Heres my recent email to this scammer... you all should do the same... here is what I wrote:

Alan, I have checked my Paypal balance and have been offended that you have not made your negotiations payment of $200.00 yet. You need to pay me these negotiations fees because this has cost me $172.00 to
provide you these appraisals, and I was extremely timely in the pursuit of this sale.

If you do not provide me the non-refundable negotiations amount, I will pursue legal action against your ISP if they do not provide me with your IP address. Once I have your IP address, I will be contacting your local authorities, and they will come and arrest you... I have overwhelming evidence of this scam you are doing, and will be filing a class action lawsuit against you and your affiliates... So tell me... what is your decision?

 

[nielsencl]

How To Fight The Domain Appraisal Scams

timeaxis and others: Two things you should know about this scam that has been going on for a couple of years:

a) If you fall for it and pay for an appraisal, you should be able to get your money back, depending on how you made the payment. Contact the payment processor the scammer had you use, send them copies of all the emails and send them links to this and other threads here at Namepros.com. If you used a credit card, contact your credit card company.

In the past most people have gotten refunds and this is the BEST WAY TO HURT THE SCAMMERS. If the payment processor won't refund your money, send me a PM so I can find out why.

b) If you get these emails and did't fall for the scam, PLEASE REPORT THE SCAM EMAIL AS SPAM, which it is. Report the spam to the scammer's hosting provider and their domain registrar. If you don't know a header from a footer or how to report spam, send me a PM and I will describe the process.

You can also send the scammer emails, but they probably like the attention because I am sure they don't have any friends...!

 

[simran.net]

Hi,

I also got spammed by him. Here is the correspondense.
-------------------------------

From: alan sternberg name-boutique.com
To: me
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 11:25 AM
Subject: re: yourvegaslawyer.com (It is an expired domain !! )


Hello,

We are interested in purchasing your domain name.

Our company is in hosting and domain name business.

Please email us your desired price in USD or euros for the domain name in the subject line.

If you have other names for sale please email us your domains with prices.

Looking forward to doing business with you.

Regards,

Alan Sternberg

Vice President

Doamin Name Boutique Inc.

---------------------------------------------
My reply (I strongly doubt he is the same old cheat)

Hi,

I'm selling this domain YourVegasLawyer.com for a low price of $500.

I prefer only paypal payment.

Please confirm to send you paypal invoice.

Once we do first business, I'll be sending you my domains list.

--------------------------------

His reply

500. Ok.

Have you had your domain names evaluated in the past? I mean domain appraisals. Without valuation we cannot be sure in the sale price. It's very important for me in terms of reselling too. But we must engage a valuation company with REAL manual service. So I will only accept valuations from independent sources I and my partners trust.

To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal companies. Please check this blog with suggestions from other sellers and buyers:
thenamepros.com/Archive/975836104.htm

Do you sell domain with a web site or just the name?

Domain without content is ok with me. Web site is not necessary.

If, for example, the valuation comes higher you can adjust your asking price accordingly. It will be fair. I also hope you can give me 12% - 15% discount.

After you send me the valuation via email (usually it takes 1-2 days to obtain it) we'll continue our negotiations.

What is your preferred payment method: Escrow.com, International wire transfer, PayPal.com or something else?

Hope we can come to an agreement fast.

Looking forward to your reply.

----------------------------------



--------------------
Hi,

I know you are a scammer. You want to cheat innocent domainers by getting them appraised by you.

You own just a domain name-boutique.com.

This doensn't have any connection with nameboutique.com

You are completely cheating.

You are being complained to econsumer.gov, other related sites.

I know you had cheated me a long ago like the same appraisal scam with your website FastDomainSales.com or so. You have cheated me around $120

------------------------------------


His reply

I see, but it's a standard practice to show independent valuation to
buyers/resellers. Nobody will do business without it. I'm a businessman and
have no intention of changing rules which help both parties to avoid
additional risks.

Of course, investors never take into account auto-generated valuations. So
manual valuation is a "must" too.

I read the following information about appraisals at
thenamepros.com/Archive/975836104.htm

Without the independent valuation from a trusted source we don't spend a
penny. This is our financial policy. So our offer is just a rought estimate.
If the appraisal comes higher we are ready to offer a bit more. If it comes
lower we will discuss the price with you again.

Thank you for understanding. I'm looking forward to doing business with you.

 

[theo]

Lol, just received email from them.

[email protected]

Hello,

We are interested in purchasing your domain name.

Our company is in hosting and domain name business.

Please email us your desired price in USD or euros for the domain name in the subject line.

If you have other names for sale please email us your domains with prices.

Looking forward to doing business with you.

Regards,

Aaron Trachtenberg

President

Domain Boutique
========================================================
NOTICE - This communication may contain confidential and privileged
information that is for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any
viewing, copying or distribution of, or reliance on this message by
unintended recipients is strictly prohibited. If you have received this
message in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message
and deleting it from your computer.
========================================================

 

[makw]

Well I was also lucky to receive an offer, later followed by a request for an appraisal by mr. Aaron Trachtenberg. I recognized in this forum the exact same working. I guess they are sending out thousands of these mails. At first I thought it might be serious, but soon I gathered that it was a bit too weird all together. Then I checked the guy on Google and landed here for which I am truly grateful. It explains all!

Not knowing all what is written here I wrote to him yesterday:
And why should I undertake this? Does it give me any guarantee that the name will then be sold for around that price to you when I use a company that you feel comfortable with? No, of course not! Then maybe another potential buyer wants an appraisal from yet another company as he might not be happy with the ones you trust. No way, that is only going to costs me lots of money without any certainty of a sale. This is in my opinion not a healthy way of doing business!

He replied:
Unfortunately, we cannot proceed without the appraisal from a source we trust.There will be no deal without appraisal from a trusted source. This simple rule has saved me a lot of money and time. So I hope you will change your position. Let's do business the right way.

Just before I found this forum I wrote him:
You came in the first place to me for .... and asked the price. You then suggested 10.000 USD and I told you today that I agree with 6.650 Euro. As I stated before you can get an appraisal where ever you like and if needed in view of such an appraisal I am willing to adjust the price, but you pay for this appraisal and not me!
True let's do business the right way and that with due respect does not seem to me to be the way you suggest! Why in the first place did you come and inform about this name and talked about 10.000 USD? I did not ask you, I did not offer the domain for sale! It sounds all a bit weird to me.

I am thinking of reporting him to the police or is what he does legal? Just an unfriendly guy?

 

[timeaxis]

I follwed the money trail... and this scammer is inadvertently soliciting his domain appraisal company www.certifieddomainvalue.com in the whois the domain regstrant did the same registration tactic as the www.name-boutique.com registrar did and that was use the registrars information on godaddy's website... I thought about contacting godaddy and inform them that I need to know the registrars information to file a class action lawsuit which would include everyone interested to join on this forum, but I also followed the money trail on paypal that pays these scammers, and the money trail goes to www.swreg.org or [email protected] as the email registered with paypal that is soliciting ebay users and posing as a potential buyer, inadvertantly soliciting the use of their own domain appraisal company... so heres the scam >>

www.name-boutique.com solicits you to buy www.certifiednamevalue.com which hides behind that domain where the money actually goes to www.swreg.org with the paypal email [email protected] Have fun with it!!

Oh yea... one last thing which is kind of how to tell if the cat ate the canary... www.swreg.org fraudulantly gives the professional austhetic appeal of a global corporate website by using www.digitalriver.com 's name and logo, in fact the logo of digital river has been fraudulantly reproduced on www.swreg.org 's website to give it that global corporate image as a company that provides ecommerce solutions for businesses.. don't buy into that idea... this is in fact the home of the scammer!

I slayed this dragon, who wants to come to the BBQ?! Just forward this thread to the FBI and CIA.

 

[bekway]

domain name appraisal scam

Now he has changed his name to Aaron Trachtenberg (yes, I mean who invents a name like that?) <[email protected]>. He gives a link to a fake forum page exactly like the other ones mentioned here in this thread:
http://www.thenamepros.com/Archive/9714752085.htm

 

[simran.net]

I hope TheNamepros.com domain is totally misleading our Namepros.com forum. Can't the mods take some complaint or action against it? Like our forum user asked namebotique.com owner to complain about misleading of domain name-botique.com ?


Also I really can't understand how in USA still this scammer is alive for a long time? I know he is in USA since I have sent a US$ check for his fake appraisal company in USA address - in 2003. (At that time he used an email id : Antony Griffin @ rock.com )

 

[Archangel]

NP should, yeah. But the prob is simply $. I don't think any of us have the cash to take the thenamepros.com owners through a legal mess. Wish we could though.

I hope TheNamepros.com domain is totally misleading our Namepros.com forum. Can't the mods take some complaint or action against it? Like our forum user asked namebotique.com owner to complain about misleading of domain name-botique.com ?


Also I really can't understand how in USA still this scammer is alive for a long time? I know he is in USA since I have sent a US$ check for his fake appraisal company in USA address - in 2003. (At that time he used an email id : Antony Griffin @ rock.com )

 

[jsmorgan1it]

Just received this email two days ago.


What do you think about 10,000 USD for your domain name?

Have you had your domain names evaluated in the past? I mean domain appraisals. Without valuation we cannot be sure in the sale price. It's very important for me in terms of reselling too. But we must engage a valuation company with REAL manual service. So I will only accept valuations from independent sources I and my partners trust.

To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal companies. Please check this blog with suggestions from other sellers and buyers:
thenamepros.com/Archive/9614752508.htm

Do you sell domain with a web site or just the name?

Domain without content is ok with me. Web site is not necessary.
If, for example, the valuation comes higher you can adjust your asking price accordingly. It will be fair. I also hope you can give me 12% - 15% discount.

After you send me the valuation via email (usually it takes 1-2 days to obtain it) we'll continue our negotiations.

What is your preferred payment method: Escrow.com, International wire transfer, PayPal.com or something else?

Hope we can come to an agreement fast.

Looking forward to your reply.


scam artists....