Thanks to Undeveloped, I refunded draco.

[AgentE13]

He posted a thread about me, telling I scammed him. This is NOT true. This is what really happened:

I bought 2 domains from Undeveloped.com (82742.com and 28924.com) on September 20th.
I held them for a few time and then William Efron offered me 700$ for the domains so I sold it to him on October 17th.

I transferred the domains to William's GoDaddy account, William confirmed to me that he got the domains and the deal was successful.

On November 7th William got a message from GoDaddy that his domains are repossessed by GoDaddy and if he wants them back, he can purchase them from GoDaddy for 761$.

You can see the email William got from GoDaddy here (William sent me the copy):
https://www.dropbox.com/s/dmnrnkj2yx2u86i/GoDaddy's response to William's Email.png?dl=0

GoDaddy took the domains from his account and added them to his cart so if he wants he can purchase the domains for 761$.
William is saying that I bought the domains with a stolen credit card and this is why the domains were repossessed, but it's not true.

As I said I have paid for the domains via PayPal as you can see here:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/bw3m3l3n41ae1mu/Completed Payments I made for Undeveloped.png?dl=0

Also, these are the Invoices from Undeveloped.com:
Invoice for 82742.com:
https://undeveloped.com/invoices/asxw24br/buyer.pdf
Invoice for 28924.com:
https://undeveloped.com/invoices/kw0m4lp0/buyer.pdf

I did not cancel any payment, I just bought 2 domains from Undeveloped.com which is a well-known domains website, and sold them to William because he offered me 700$ for them.
William contacted ME. HE wanted to buy the domains from ME. I did not force him to pay for the domains.
William just offered me 700$ for them so I accepted it.

Now GoDaddy is telling William that something is wrong with his account, and instead of trying to solve it with GoDaddy, he looks for the easy (and the wrong) way to get his domains back which is getting a refund for 700$ from the seller (which has nothing to do with the fact that GoDaddy took his domains) and then purchase the domains from GoDaddy for 761$.

If I was responsible in any way, GoDaddy would have contacted ME, and added the domains to MY cart. but that is not the situation. They sent William an email and gave HIM the option to purchase the domains from them because HE is the owner and held them for more than 3 weeks in his account before GoDaddy contacted him.

*I* didn't take the domains from William's account. *I* didn't cancel any payment. I am 100% legit, you are more than welcome to check my payment history and you will see that I NEVER did a chargeback or my payment wasn't accepted.

I really don't understand why he opened this case instead of keep contacting GoDaddy and explain the situation to them until they give him his domains back. After all, if they are giving him the option to purchase them, they can also give them back to him.
I can't control GoDaddy's actions and as much as I want to help, I will not take the hit for GoDaddy's actions.

 

[Jv1999]

The only solution would be for the auction house to hold the domain much longer before releasing it.up to 60 days, Or, ban credit card payments for domains altogether.

Consumers don't want to pay for something and have to wait two months for delivery, strictly bank wire could be an option, there is no way to stop fraud altogether, the criminal element stays up with technology better than we do.

In such cases where a per say an auction house has done their due diligence, made sure the payment cleared for a transaction, and that the credit card used was not stolen. that is about all they can do.

I don't know about you. . . but I don't want to wait 2 months to receive a domain that I had to pay for 60 days earlier. That would mess everyone up!

We all want to make our 1 - 2% sail within 365 days so we can get our ROI... and 2 month-wait means you lose almost 17% of sail waiting time.

 

[.X.]

I don't know about you. . . but I don't want to wait 2 months to receive a domain that I had to pay for 60 days earlier. That would mess everyone up!

We all want to make our 1 - 2% sail within 365 days so we can get our ROI... and 2 month-wait means you lose almost 17% of sail waiting time.

Exactly, no one wants to wait an extended period of time to receive the goods they have paid for, especially not domainers. every day counts with us. we need our domains after payment has been verified.

department stores don't make anyone wait, swipe the card, your out the door with your purchase, BUT, if you do a chargeback, the merchandise has to be returned to the store.

In this case, Buyer #1 purchases the domain names from Godaddy using a credit card, Godaddy holds the names until payment has cleared, At this point, Godaddy has their money, Buyer #1 has the two domain names, Buyer #1 flips the names to buyer #2, Buyer #2 flips the names to buyer #3, the names are in buyer #3 account at Godaddy, The chargeback has been submitted by buyer #1 ,Then i stop there and ask myself, if a credit card company requires tangible merchandise to be returned to it's rightful owner before they will allow a chargeback, wouldn't the card company require Buyer #1 to confirm he returned the domain names back to Godaddy before issuing a chargeback??? Apparently not.

All this is some really fucked up shit, trying to figure out exact accountability is pretty tough with this, One thing I do know for sure, Buyer #1 is a fucking piece of shit, who should be in jail right now.

 

[Jv1999]

Exactly, no one wants to wait an extended period of time to receive the goods they have paid for, especially not domainers. every day counts with us. we need our domains after payment has been verified.

department stores don't make anyone wait, swipe the card, your out the door with your purchase, BUT, if you do a chargeback, the merchandise has to be returned to the store.

In this case, Buyer #1 purchases the domain names from Godaddy using a credit card, Godaddy holds the names until payment has cleared, At this point, Godaddy has their money, Buyer #1 has the two domain names, Buyer #1 flips the names to buyer #2, Buyer #2 flips the names to buyer #3, the names are in buyer #3 account at Godaddy, The chargeback has been submitted by buyer #1 ,Then i stop there and ask myself, if a credit card company requires tangible merchandise to be returned to it's rightful owner before they will allow a chargeback, wouldn't the card company require Buyer #1 to confirm he returned the domain names back to Godaddy before issuing a chargeback??? Apparently not.

All this is some really f*cked up sh*t, trying to figure out exact accountability is pretty tough with this, One thing I do know for sure, Buyer #1 is a f*cking piece of sh*t, who should be in jail right now.

actually i think if u report your cc stolen... the stolen merch doesn't need to be returned physically... they just let the fraud/whatver department deal with that.

 

[Internet.Domains]

Every consumer pays for chargebacks already. The merchant pays a percentage of the sale to the issuing bank. This percentage varies on the risk of the merchant. Generally online transactions are risky and therefore the merchant pays more. These extra costs are passed from the merchant to the end consumer in the cost of goods or services.

Understanding that, it is fair to conclude that, amongst other things, Godaddy was double dipping.

It is estimated that chargeback fraud takes billions from consumers already. Meanwhile Godaddy takes another piece off the top. Yes, that is messed up.

 

[DotKing]

Oh cmon... Like GD is the only one having issues with chargebacks, and we should all pay for their problems, scammers, thieves? It's their responsibility to protect themselves. Small businesses can do that, just google about it. It's a nonsense.
GD just don't care, don't explain, and tell you contradictory bs for days. Support is trained to sell and get rid of you if you need real support/help.
I know I maybe sound way too mad, it's all based on my personal experience and opinion. When I recall all the details I've been thru when that happened, it's just too much, I have zero trust in that company. Nightmare. Not sure how they can do that for years without consequences.

After all GD don't lose anything either way, it was their auction in the first place, they don't pay for auctioning these domains - they just collect money from buyers and sellers. And then they take domains back if they want to and whenever they want, for whatever reason. Arrgh.

 

[DomainRecap]

It is indeed a blueprint to scammers out there, I don't see any fault with Mr.Doran, he had no idea these names would be charged back IMO, I don't see fault with Godaddy, they sold two domains, they had no idea that the buyer would do a chargeback, and they can wait 60 days in most cases to do chargeback

The problem is, that people can't just "do a chargeback" on anything they want, and the vendor could easily challenge and prove that the buyer received what he or she bought. A chargeback is a not a "get free stuff" card, it's a method of challenging fraudulent and undelivered products and services.

This was obviously purchased using a stolen credit card, whose rightful owner then initiated a proper chargeback, and GD needs to take some blame in allowing a fraudulent transaction, rather than just playing "hammer the victim" and stealing domains back.

 

[karmaco]

GoDaddy sucks. End of story.

 

[Jv1999]

GoDaddy sucks. End of story.

tbh. if Epik had these expired auctions and closeouts... would we even have domains at GD?

In the end, GD's main hook and bait and mainstay is their aftermarket auctions. No domainer would stay at GD otherwise.

 

[DomainRecap]

For now one can save from such scam is to only buy premium names after removal of 60 days lock period in sellers' account .

Yep, no GoDaddy pushes and Transfer Codes only will save you every time.

 

[AgentE13]

Undeveloped sent me a refund so I refunded draco.
Undeveloped is great. They didn`t have to take responsibility for GoDaddy's actions, but they did.
Thanks to their good will this situation is now closed.

 

[DomainRecap]

Wow, glad to hear Undeveloped stood up, and the company gets a lot of karma points in my book.

 

[MasterOfMyDomains]

I signed up recently with undeveloped, and am very happy with responses to my questions and issues
Really like how it shows BIN CAD Canada dollars with the USD price. Awesome eh!

I asked namesilo to at least show the currency USD on their bin pages, or usd/cad but no action since I am the only one who asked this, is not a priority. I have many .ca and I want the people to see the price in CAD or know it is USD not CAD,
so Undeveloped.com who is very active here gets my vote, and their looking better and better every day
That was very cool of you to settle that dispute @Undeveloped , even though you were an innocent "victim" like buyer and seller
Don't you wish there were threads of people saying wonderful amazing things about your company @Joe Styler ?