discuss Thank you Radix, NamesCon(.)Online and NamePros

[ThatNameGuy]

Anyone here go to the NamesCon Online conference? While I didn't, I plan to go later because it was virtually online. So why would I be thanking Radix? Because Radix is the registry behind the extension .online.

Here is what the good folks at NamesCon said about Radix;

"The Right Extension for the Right Message"

NamesCon also said this;

"the .online extension remains a total no-brainer for us! We love .online because it both conveys and strengthens our message: it’s easy to remember, simple to share, and powerful in its storytelling. This is what a domain name is supposed to do, after all.

So thank you again, Radix, for helping us smoothly transition NamesCon from offline to .online!"

While nothing is in concrete, I'm looking to partner in some capacity with the fastest growing new gTLD in the world. I see .online as serious competition for the millions of .com domains hiding in the wine cellar just collecting dust because the average business consumer just can't afford them. Someone, not me, but I agree there are literally BILLIONS of dollars of perfectly good domains in the cellar that an even better extension is ready to replace.

Finally I want to thank NamePros for giving me a voice and letting me share my opinions with thousands of domainers the world over.

 

[ThatNameGuy]

It was more pointing out that the sponsors and NamesCon come up with all this marketing BS to get people to buy into it......you should know this Rich, being a sales and marketing Guru

Also I read you loud and clear, difficult not to with all these "next big thing" threads

Thanks for the Kudos Nick! You may recall what Rob Monster said about me, Richard can sell ice to Eskimo's, he just doesn't know what Ice to sell to what Eskimo. In all due respect, Rob doesn't know me either because I haven't left the starting blocks yet. I think most everyone thought I'd be gone by now, but like my old friend Gomer use to say, Surprise! Surprise! Surprise!

LetsGo.Online.....remember, I really don't care what you or other domainers think for I'm not selling domains to you....no offense.

 

[NickB]

Thanks for the Kudos Nick! You may recall what Rob Monster said about me, Richard can sell ice to Eskimo's, he just doesn't know what Ice to sell to what Eskimo. In all due respect, Rob doesn't know me either because I haven't left the starting blocks yet. I think most everyone thought I'd be gone by now, but like my old friend Gomer use to say, Surprise! Surprise! Surprise!

LetsGo.Online.....remember, I really don't care what you or other domainers think for I'm not selling domains to you....no offense.

I have given up getting offended by you you might be slightly annoying, opinionated, brash etc etc but most sales people are (some much more than slightly)

You do your thing and others will do theirs, but you will get push back and rightly so.......data vs hype

There needs to be checks and balances in every debate/argument so people can make informed decisions and not get carried away by the hype but can verify (or not) with data, proof etc etc.....

How the hell you turned my post into Kudos is something else though

 

[Joe N]

I thought you might show up and your buddy would like what you said....problem, I didn't read but the first sentence of your post because I know your agenda. The fact that you even showed up tells me I'm on the right track.online. Thanks

My agenda has always been pretty clear: good discussion, self-improvement, and wanting to use data and common sense analysis to dig into domaining strategies.

You're welcome to ignore my posts at will. In fact, I encourage it. They're usually directed to the many newcomers here who deserve to be properly informed.

I do wish you the best of luck with your next great attempt at turning a profit!

 

[ThatNameGuy]

My agenda has always been pretty clear: good discussion, self-improvement, and wanting to use data and common sense analysis to dig into domaining strategies.

You're welcome to ignore my posts at will. In fact, I encourage it. They're usually directed to the many newcomers here who deserve to be properly informed.

I do wish you the best of luck with your next great attempt at turning a profit!

NO JOE....your agenda here has been pretty clear to me, and I don't like it one bit. Your accusation's and insinuation's about my agenda are false hyperbole pure and simple. When saying things like, investing $1 in a domain name that has the real potential of being worth thousands of dollars, it tells me you don't understand Risk vs. Reward, and apparently you never will. In my book, that's either agenda driven or ignorance. Personally I think its agenda driven, especially considering the source.

 

[bmugford]

You mean you don't want to be my VirtualFriend.opine. I have VirtualFriends.opine all over the world since I found this industry. Remember the show "Friends" ....do they get that in Whales? Here's a little data for you....NO HYPE. If you don't think there are virtual friends I'd recommend you google and see what Wiki has to say about it. Then I'd highly recommend you check with some of "your friends" and ask them if they've ever bought anything "online" Do they know you could take Gourmet Cooking Lessons Online? How about, going on an African Safari Online? So you think that's BS do you? What part of that don't you understand? Let me know and I'll try to explain it to you. There are currently 2M Domains Under Management aka "DUM" and they're the fastest growing gTLD, and if you don't believe me just go to ntldstats.com and see for yourself. I suspect you think I'm lying to you about that. Do you want to challenge it? Knowing what you know now, assuming you believe what I just said, would someone buying VirtualFriend.opine and VirtualFriends.opine, if they knew VirtualFriend.com and VirtualFriends.com were valued at almost $10,000 be crazy? I can go on and on with statistic's and numbers Nick, but I'm afraid you wouldn't understand. Seriously?

.opine might be almost as good as .online.

Websites are online. The term is long and redundant as an extension.

There is only one .COM. There are endless other extensions. Comparing any other inferior extension to .COM is as stupid now as it was when Frank Schilling called .COM "AM Radio".

Any extension can get a lot of domains under management if the prices are cheap enough, look at .XYZ and others.

Brad

 

[bmugford]

Thanks for the Kudos Nick! You may recall what Rob Monster said about me, Richard can sell ice to Eskimo's, he just doesn't know what Ice to sell to what Eskimo. In all due respect, Rob doesn't know me either because I haven't left the starting blocks yet. I think most everyone thought I'd be gone by now, but like my old friend Gomer use to say, Surprise! Surprise! Surprise!

LetsGo.Online.....remember, I really don't care what you or other domainers think for I'm not selling domains to you....no offense.

I figured you would either be gone or more successful in the field by now. It has been a few years and you are not getting any younger. You keep talking about what you are going to do but don't seem to show much progress.

How long are we supposed to stay tuned for?

Even the best salesmen is going to do much better with high quality products.

Brad

 

[ThatNameGuy]

.opine might be almost as good as .online.

Websites are online. The term is long and redundant as an extension.

There is only one .COM. There are endless other extensions. Comparing any other inferior extension to .COM is as stupid now as it was when Frank Schilling called .COM "AM Radio".

Any extension can get a lot of domains under management if the prices are cheap enough, look at .XYZ and others.

Brad

You're still totally missing the point Brad .com essentially only exists in theory. The average investor and "end user" is locked out. I happen to live in a pretty nice neighborhood (not bragging, but if you think so), and most people can't afford to live here. I happen to live on an island with 400 homes, and I consider my self lucky to live here. If I were a domain extension, I'd definitely be a .com. I guess because I've lived here for 43 years, I'd be considered a "hoarder" right? All I'm saying is .online is a pretty good neighborhood too, and there's a plethora of buyers..... if they build it, they will come. .Com is simply out of reach, comprende?

 

[bmugford]

You're still totally missing the point Brad .com essentially only exists in theory. The average investor and "end user" is locked out. I happen to live in a pretty nice neighborhood (not bragging, but if you think so), and most people can't afford to live here. I happen to live on an island with 400 homes, and I consider my self lucky to live here. If I were a domain extension, I'd definitely be a .com. I guess because I've lived here for 43 years, I'd be considered a "hoarder" right? All I'm saying is .online is a pretty good neighborhood too, and there's a plethora of buyers..... if they build it, they will come. .Com is simply out of reach, comprende?

The vast majority of buyers would consider a solid .COM before a "great" unknown extension. You can just look at the daily .COM sales and lack of new extension sales to verify that.

Brad

 

[james haw]

If you buy a junk property and I buy a similar property, the odds are in my favor "if" I'm able to "add value" by putting a sale sign out front, fixing it up and hiring a real estate agent to help me sell it vs. you doing nothing and hoping and praying someone stops buy and makes you an offer.

Well yes, obviously, you are comparing "good and well promoted" vs "junk and not promoted".

However, firstly, your analogy is wrong as ".com" is the good property and ".online" the underdog/junk, so you are actually heavily promoting the junk property to try to sell it.

Secondly, this doesn't translate to domain names. You can paint a house, improve flooring, landscape gardening, extend it, etc. All you can do with a domain name is promote it, and promoting it and putting it on 10,000 lander pages doesn't make it better, or even more desirable, it just gives more chance ("odds") of it selling.

You are making the argument that you work hard to promote them and try to sell them. This fact alone indicates there's generally a low desire to own them, and thus generally a low value domain name with very little chance of a sale.


As you cannot fix up a domain name, in your property analogy, you are actually not fixing up the junk property you are simply promoting it more than the "fixed up" property. However with houses and domain names, this doesn't mean it'll sell before the less promoted good one. You specifically "increase the chance of selling the junk property/domain", but it doesn't correlate to therefore giving you more chance "over the good property/domain". The two are separate entities with a plethora of parameters and thus not just simply directly competitive.



So your analogy of the house would be more accurate in saying you've taken a rotten, damp-ridden wooden dog house, painted it and are trying to sell it to a 3.4 family as some kind of cheaper version to a house. Where the house/.com is $150K your .online is $1k - $5k. No-one is buying a family home alternative dog house for $1k, it's a dog house, it's worth $40

 

[james haw]

Here's what GD values PianoLessons.com for; $13,885.

You use GD as an example, so what about this:
PianoLessons.com | GD value: $13,885
pianolessons.online | GD value: "less than $100"

So is GD accurate to be in line with your example and argument, and so pianolessons.online is not worth anything? Or not. Can't be both.

And here's what GD values these random names I searched for:
cheapassdomain.com - GD says $611
thiscantbeworthmuch.com GD says $121
mybananaisgreen.com - GD says $336

(All those domains are worthless, in case you didn't see that..)



You never answered my question about .online sales. You say 2million have been bought, but if only 143 have been sold, does that not give you concern?
Hope sells nothing, as delightful and wondrous as it is in life, it has little place in a good business

 

[bmugford]

You use GD as an example, so what about this:
PianoLessons.com | GD value: $13,885
pianolessons.online | GD value: "less than $100"

I would rather pay $13,885 for PianoLessons.com than $10 for PianoLessons.online

Brad

 

[Joe N]

NO JOE....your agenda here has been pretty clear to me, and I don't like it one bit. Your accusation's and insinuation's about my agenda are false hyperbole pure and simple. When saying things like, investing $1 in a domain name that has the real potential of being worth thousands of dollars, it tells me you don't understand Risk vs. Reward, and apparently you never will. In my book, that's either agenda driven or ignorance. Personally I think its agenda driven, especially considering the source.

In the post you claimed not to read, I was actually saying that your .online venture may very well have a chance of being profitable as long as you can continue to pay very low prices for acquisitions and renewals.

Now, profitable is of course a rather huge range, and I think this would end up on the lower end of that range. But really, any profit in domaining is better than most investors can hope for.

The large amount of time you're spending on this small profit potential is another matter... I'd be much more worried about opportunity cost than risk/reward here. But you seem to be in this for the fun more than the money, so it's likely a moot point.

 

[ThatNameGuy]

You use GD as an example, so what about this:
PianoLessons.com | GD value: $13,885
pianolessons.online | GD value: "less than $100"

So is GD accurate to be in line with your example and argument, and so pianolessons.online is not worth anything? Or not. Can't be both.

And here's what GD values these random names I searched for:
cheapassdomain.com - GD says $611
thiscantbeworthmuch.com GD says $121
mybananaisgreen.com - GD says $336

(All those domains are worthless, in case you didn't see that..)



You never answered my question about .online sales. You say 2million have been bought, but if only 143 have been sold, does that not give you concern?
Hope sells nothing, as delightful and wondrous as it is in life, it has little place in a good business

 

[sellian]

I think the only time dot.online competes against dot.com is when the dot.com domain has the word Online right before dot.

Example: PianoLessonsOnline.com vs PianoLessons.online

If I was the end-user, and both were priced the same, I would most probably buy the dot.com.

Now, if the dot.online version was 1/5 the price of the dot.com (or cheaper), I'd probably start considering buying it.

 

[james haw]

Example: PianoLessonsOnline.com vs PianoLessons.online

If I was the end-user, and both were priced the same, I would most probably buy the dot.com.

Now, if the dot.online version was 1/5 the price of the dot.com (or cheaper), I'd probably start considering buying it.

I don't disagree with you per se as you make good points. But to add, "at the moment" I think .com is still the preferred choice. Not because of some .com snobbishness, simply because regardless of what investors are arguing, the world has not yet accepted these extensions in general and global usage.

Of course if the .com is up for $2K and the .online $300 then you have to buy it if you don't have $2k, or consider it if $2k is a notable chunk of the business' money.

And people can argue "but 2500 have been sold in this extension" as long as they want, that is not global understanding and acceptance. Come back when 250000 have been sold and are in use.

When you can say "pianolessonsonline.com" and it be understood whereas you still have to explain "yes it's dot online, no there's no dot com..." then we're not quite there yet.

We don't yet know if they will either, the handful of people buying and using them at the moment doesn't indicate whether that will have a spurt one day or will just remain a handful of alternatives to the norm of com, net etc.

 

[ThatNameGuy]

You use GD as an example, so what about this:
PianoLessons.com | GD value: $13,885
pianolessons.online | GD value: "less than $100"

So is GD accurate to be in line with your example and argument, and so pianolessons.online is not worth anything? Or not. Can't be both.

And here's what GD values these random names I searched for:
cheapassdomain.com - GD says $611
thiscantbeworthmuch.com GD says $121
mybananaisgreen.com - GD says $336

(All those domains are worthless, in case you didn't see that..)



You never answered my question about .online sales. You say 2million have been bought, but if only 143 have been sold, does that not give you concern?
Hope sells nothing, as delightful and wondrous as it is in life, it has little place in a good business

Oh I apologize.....i usually have an answer for everything, and I wasn't trying to avoid you. I never even looked at the prior sales data for .online and now that you mention it, it doesn't deter me in the least. Why? If I'm right, all the more for me Just for you I did go back and check Namebio's stats, and you're right just 146 have been sold since 2015. (4) in 2015, (19) in 2016, (15) in 2017 (50) in 2018 (8) in 2019 and (54) in 2020. Just (8) in 2019 seems to be an anomaly, and sales seem to me to be growing year over year. Interesting my friend who owns Taste.Online must of hand registered his name, but since the "average" sale is $3,269 that's a good thing in my mind. Why? Looking at sales like FindMe.online for $10,000, AirConditioning.online for $17,500, MyWorld.online for $2,669, Transparency.online for $10,000 and Design.online for $57,500 speaks volumes to me. I can't show your here, but of my 700 names I have a lot names just as good, and some maybe even better. If you don't believe me just send me a PM and I'll share them with you....fair enough?

The stats are actually encouraging to me especially since I know there's been no outbound marketing done for the .online extension, and a little birdie recently told me there might be.

You can trash .online and my strategy until the cows come home, but I don't give much weight to your negative approach. I've never been negative about anything I've done in life.....it's just not my MO. I know the whole story behind .com and I know the story why .com is vulnerable. If you want me to go into that, I'll share with you why I believe there are certain critics who follow me around who want to shut me up, and that just isn't going to happen

 

[ThatNameGuy]

I think the only time dot.online competes against dot.com is when the dot.com domain has the word Online right before dot.

Example: PianoLessonsOnline.com vs PianoLessons.online

If I was the end-user, and both were priced the same, I would most probably buy the dot.com.

Now, if the dot.online version was 1/5 the price of the dot.com (or cheaper), I'd probably start considering buying it.

Sellian, if that were the case the folks who bought Casino.online for 200K would have bought CasinoOnline.com for reg fee and would be using that. And my friend who owns Taste.Online instead of TasteOnline.com. This is why I believe Radix needs to hire one of the top marketing companies in the world to promote the .online extension, and the bulk of their compensation would only come if their successful.

In the case of PianoLessonsOnline.com vs. PianoLessons.online I totally disagree. With your preference there are 18 letters left of the dot and with mine there are just 12 letters left of the dot. Sure you can question right of the dot, but that's a no brainer in my opinion because "online" actually says something and adds value imo.

 

[ThatNameGuy]

The vast majority of buyers would consider a solid .COM before a "great" unknown extension. You can just look at the daily .COM sales and lack of new extension sales to verify that.

Brad

That's ONLY your opinion Brad. Plus when the .COM isn't available at ANY price due to hoarding, scalping, etc., buyers will know about it because of moi I can't wait for you to see the you tube video I'm planning to educate buyers about this crazy industry. Fun for me....sad for you.

 

[bmugford]

That's ONLY your opinion Brad. Plus when the .COM isn't available at ANY price due to hoarding, scalping, etc., buyers will know about it because of moi I can't wait for you to see the you tube video I'm planning to educate buyers about this crazy industry. Fun for me....sad for you.

The reported sales back up my opinion with empirical data. If .ONLINE was that popular there would be far more reported sales.

You have been planning to do a lot of stuff for years now. I am staying tuned for the results...

Brad

 

[bmugford]

Sellian, if that were the case the folks who bought Casino.online for 200K would have bought CasinoOnline.com for reg fee and would be using that. And my friend who owns Taste.Online instead of TasteOnline.com. This is why I believe Radix needs to hire one of the top marketing companies in the world to promote the .online extension, and the bulk of their compensation would only come if their successful.

LOL. In what world is CasinoOnline.com a reg fee domain?

Brad

 

[Joe N]

LOL. In what world is CasinoOnline.com a reg fee domain?

Brad

Beat me to it.

 

[ThatNameGuy]

In the post you claimed not to read, I was actually saying that your .online venture may very well have a chance of being profitable as long as you can continue to pay very low prices for acquisitions and renewals.

Now, profitable is of course a rather huge range, and I think this would end up on the lower end of that range. But really, any profit in domaining is better than most investors can hope for.

The large amount of time you're spending on this small profit potential is another matter... I'd be much more worried about opportunity cost than risk/reward here. But you seem to be in this for the fun more than the money, so it's likely a moot point.

There you go again....assuming a "small profit" Sorry bud, but I never assume anything on behalf of someone else. Frankly I don't care what you do because I know you have an agenda. I've not once been concerned about renewal fees like everyone has told me I should be. Why do you think that might be Joe? And for the newbies who may be reading this don't fall for the trick "the renewal fees will kill you". Why? You don't ever have to pay a single renewal fee unless you can afford to or you want to.

 

[ThatNameGuy]

LOL. In what world is CasinoOnline.com a reg fee domain?

Brad

Lol,,,,every domain was ONCE hand registered. Are you saying Casinoonline.com was never hand registered? What world are you living in Brad

 

[ThatNameGuy]

Well yes, obviously, you are comparing "good and well promoted" vs "junk and not promoted".

However, firstly, your analogy is wrong as ".com" is the good property and ".online" the underdog/junk, so you are actually heavily promoting the junk property to try to sell it.

Secondly, this doesn't translate to domain names. You can paint a house, improve flooring, landscape gardening, extend it, etc. All you can do with a domain name is promote it, and promoting it and putting it on 10,000 lander pages doesn't make it better, or even more desirable, it just gives more chance ("odds") of it selling.

You are making the argument that you work hard to promote them and try to sell them. This fact alone indicates there's generally a low desire to own them, and thus generally a low value domain name with very little chance of a sale.


As you cannot fix up a domain name, in your property analogy, you are actually not fixing up the junk property you are simply promoting it more than the "fixed up" property. However with houses and domain names, this doesn't mean it'll sell before the less promoted good one. You specifically "increase the chance of selling the junk property/domain", but it doesn't correlate to therefore giving you more chance "over the good property/domain". The two are separate entities with a plethora of parameters and thus not just simply directly competitive.



So your analogy of the house would be more accurate in saying you've taken a rotten, damp-ridden wooden dog house, painted it and are trying to sell it to a 3.4 family as some kind of cheaper version to a house. Where the house/.com is $150K your .online is $1k - $5k. No-one is buying a family home alternative dog house for $1k, it's a dog house, it's worth $40

Regardless of what you're saying and forgive me I didn't have the time read your entire post, but from a purely "technical" perspective, there is no difference between JamesHaw.com and JamesHaw.lfnsypile. and JamesHaw.online. And I choose to leave it at that

 

[bmugford]

Sellian, if that were the case the folks who bought Casino.online for 200K would have bought CasinoOnline.com for reg fee and would be using that.

Lol,,,,every domain was ONCE hand registered. Are you saying Casinoonline.com was never hand registered? What world are you living in Brad

You are the one who is making the comparison between casino.online which was sold in 2017 and CasinoOnline.com for reg fee, as if that was an actual choice the buyer had.

CasinoOnline.com has been registered since 1996.

The buyer never had that choice. It would likely have cost way more than 200k to buy the .com.

Brad