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Thank you Radix, NamesCon(.)Online and NamePros

Labeled as discuss in General Domain Discussion, started by ThatNameGuy, Jan 31, 2021

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  1. ThatNameGuy

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    Anyone here go to the NamesCon Online conference? While I didn't, I plan to go later because it was virtually online. So why would I be thanking Radix? Because Radix is the registry behind the extension .online.

    Here is what the good folks at NamesCon said about Radix;

    "The Right Extension for the Right Message"

    NamesCon also said this;

    "the .online extension remains a total no-brainer for us! We love .online because it both conveys and strengthens our message: it’s easy to remember, simple to share, and powerful in its storytelling. This is what a domain name is supposed to do, after all.

    So thank you again, Radix, for helping us smoothly transition NamesCon from offline to .online!"

    While nothing is in concrete, I'm looking to partner in some capacity with the fastest growing new gTLD in the world. I see .online as serious competition for the millions of .com domains hiding in the wine cellar just collecting dust because the average business consumer just can't afford them. Someone, not me, but I agree there are literally BILLIONS of dollars of perfectly good domains in the cellar that an even better extension is ready to replace.

    Finally I want to thank NamePros for giving me a voice and letting me share my opinions with thousands of domainers the world over.
     
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  2. james haw

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    This is purely my opinion, but "online" to me is too long and is superfluous as an extension to a domain name which is by nature an online thing. So it being longer means it's hardly "simple to share" and neither conveys or strengthens a message as the "online" message with a domain name is already there as the viewer is already "online".

    And what is this "storytelling"? It's just hype.

    When a car mechanic says "your car need new tyres, an exhaust, and new spark plugs" imagine them instead saying "your car needs new tyres, your car needs a new an exhaust, and your car needs new spark plugs" the "your car" would get tiresome to say/hear repeatedly.
    The context of it being "your car" is already a given as he's the mechanic in a garage you took "your car" to and that is what you are both discussing.

    So "online" for something that is "online" seems silly to me.

    And honestly, in a world of new generations who reduce words to acronyms and initialisms, from phones and the internet to now real life speak, I don't see them embracing such a long extension.
     
  3. bmugford

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    No chance.

    There is nothing special about .online, especially as a domain investor.

    Brad
     
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  4. ThatNameGuy

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    Thanks for sharing your "opinion". What's right of the dot matters not in the big scheme of things. What matters is what sells to to an "end user". With almost 2M DUM (domains under management) .onlne is the fastest growing gTLD. I meet and see a lot of regular people on the street, and when I query them about .online they like it.

    Furthermore, it's an alternative to the millions of .com domains that are and have been hoarded for years. I know it's a sensitive subject around traditional domainers, but I'm far from traditional. Here's just one example, a local business guy in my community owns a business that recently re-branded itself from Taste Unlimited to simply "Taste". I know for a fact that he could probably afford a million dollar domain, but he opted for Taste.online. Taste has over 500 employees and may just be one of the finest specialty sandwiches in the world. I don't know how much he paid for Taste.online, but I'm pretty sure the owners of Taste.com wanted in excess of 500K. This guy happens to be a pretty smart guy and a lawyer as well. Like me he even does his own trade marking.

    The last thing I'll share is Taste Unlimited started operations in 1973 the year I started my first business right across the street. The original owner (he unfortunately passed away in 2012) and founder use to hand make my sandwiches, usually turkey, swiss, house dressing on french bread. There wasn't even an internet back then so instead of ordering "online" like we do today, we simply phoned it in from a land line.

    Have a GoodDay.online:xf.smile:
     
  5. loredan

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    You forgot to thank the usual bunch:

    Your family for always being there, friends for well being friends, your manager, your favourite band, Google for helping you find Namepros when you started domaining, GoDaddy, Dynadot, Namesilo for making your day brighter when you hand reg your names, Afternic, Dan for putting money in your pocket, your milkman for running away with your wife, God for goding around, and all the others, you know the drill ... :) :)
     
  6. ThatNameGuy

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    Thanks for the Kudos.online, and I especially want to thank Gloria and Carl for not aborting me after they created me:xf.smile:
     
  7. ThatNameGuy

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    like you I'm a domain investor, and when you see a disconnect like this;

    Casino.com - Sold for $5,500,000 in 2003
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    Casino.online - Sold for $201,250 in 2017

    there must be a pony in here somewhere:xf.rolleyes:

    keep in mind I don't hoard domains, i just sell them. I just sold Skyline.homes last Friday for $1,799, and I have you and a few others here to thank for your support and encouragement(y)
     
  8. bmugford

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    I hate to break the news to you, but if you own more domains than you sell you are hoarding them. :xf.wink:

    In reality though, waiting for the right buyer is not "hoarding"; it is investing.

    Brad
     
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  9. ThatNameGuy

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    Hoarding is marked by an overwhelming desire to collect items and an inability to discard things that may seem valuable, to such a point that the collections cause stress and start impacting a person's health, career or relationships.— Erin - people justify hoarding as curating and recycling, deeming odd objects beautiful and useful.

    You say "potato" I say "patattah"
    You say "tomato" I say "tomatah"
    Let's call the whole thing off:xf.rolleyes:
     
  10. james haw

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    I don't know stats much, but if I read namebio correctly there have been 143 .online sales in 4+ years? Maybe there are a lot of private sales? Or maybe just mostly domainers holding, hoping.

    To really know the worth, you'd have to know total registrations bought to sell (no website, etc) and total sales, and that's unlikely to ever be useful stats with such low sale volumes.

    Such low sales when factoring in the plethora of domains being bought means you'd be better buying a lottery ticket.

    That's just my opinion though, and many have sold surprising domain name, although remember that those exceptions to the rule are always prominent in what we read and the news etc, whereas the hundreds of millions not sold are not on display.

    Whatever you invest in I wish you well :)
     
  11. ThatNameGuy

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    Thanks for the share, and I mean that. I use namebio too, but for a different reason than you. I just used it to see when and for how much Casino.online sold for, and you saw in my previous post where I compared it to Casino.com that sold for 5.5M in 2003. Then, and you can do this yourself, i checked if there was a website behind the domains; Casino.online and Casino.com. Well yes there are, but I don't know if they're making money or losing money. Heck, Casino.com could be losing money by the boat load and headed into bankruptcy, while Casino.online could be doing the opposite. Are you following? My point is, in the big scheme of things what's right of the dot is pretty insignificant.

    Then what you're missing with me is that I NEVER buy a lottery ticket because I have ZERO control over the outcome unless prayer works:xf.wink:....and I actually believe in prayer. That said however, I've now bought about 700 .online domain lottery tickets, most of which I believe I could turn into successful businesses (.)online. Now here's where you really don't know me, I'm not about to sit back and wait for an "end user" to find me, that's not my style or approach. Now if you would like I'll share with you my plans for how I might "outbound market" a name like GunSafety.whatever or FineWine.sometime?

    While there's a huge disconnect between Casino.com and Casino.online, there's a huge disconnect between me and the "average" domainer, and never the two shall meet? Actually my GD rep who gives me a little respect asked me whether I thought .online will be going up in value or .com will be coming down in value, to which I asked him, what do you think:xf.rolleyes:
     
  12. james haw

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    How many .online sales have there been to date? Not registrar registrations, that is meaningless in a world of domainers, but actual sales? I can't find the stats but you must have some if you regged 700 of them.

    You relate to that one casino sale a lot, but there have been crazy sales in .xyz, .whatever. But my point is, it's a handful of sales in a multi million pot, same odds as lottery. Whether you have decisions in your domain choices and due dilligence or not, the "odds" are similar. :)
     
  13. bmugford

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    .Online has been around for years. There are 146 total reported sales. There are (7) total sales above 10K+ in that time. Big deal.

    This is a classic pointless thread. Some dumb extension is not challenging .COM, especially when it comes to domain investment.

    Brad
     
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  14. ThatNameGuy

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    No....here are the odds. If you buy a junk property and I buy a similar property, the odds are in my favor "if" I'm able to "add value" by putting a sale sign out front, fixing it up and hiring a real estate agent to help me sell it vs. you doing nothing and hoping and praying someone stops buy and makes you an offer.

    Like buying a lottery ticket?....i think not:xf.rolleyes:
     
  15. ThatNameGuy

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    Brad....i'm really glad you're here to point out this pointless thread:ROFL:....did they talk about it @ NamesCon.online? or did everyone just keep hearing humble reviews about the .online extension? Please don't go....you said .online has been around for a long time? You call 2015 a long time? Besides, I don't care what you think, I care what people selling homes, wine and autos think? The ones I talk to think .online is cool:xf.cool:....not dumb:xf.rolleyes:
     
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    Location, Location, Location. .Online is a junk property location compared to .COM.
    "Lottery tickets" is not domain investing.

    Go ahead and update me when the .ONLINE sales actually match your puffery.

    Until then, good luck with your 700 liabilities. :)

    Brad
     
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    What's funny about your analysis is I've always been told you want to own a lesser expensive property in a more expensive neighborhood. For now, the lesser expensive property is .online and its considerably more marketable because of it's location in the more expensive neighborhood.

    The other thing you fail to overlook is over 80% of .com domains are so overpriced "end users" just can't afford them. "puffery" ....i like that word.....Puffery.online vs. Puffery.com. Thanks
     
  19. bmugford

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    No, .ONLINE is just that amazing with their "ethos". They are not just some other random extension in a crowded field trying to use marketing to sell an inferior product. Oh wait, yes they are.

    Bulloney seems to hop from extension to extension trying to hype them...homes, realty, etc. This is just the latest example.

    Brad
     
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    The extension is the neighborhood, not the keyword. .COM is in a good neighborhood by default.
    People know it, people use it, people are aware of it. It is where people want to be.

    A good term in .Online is like a mansion in an area people don't know exists.

    Brad
     
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  21. ThatNameGuy

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    lol....just sold a .homes domain for $1,799? and many .Realty domains will follow. Stay tuned:xf.wink:
     
  22. ThatNameGuy

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    Sure that's exactly where it comes from Nick....my point is I wasn't making it up. Unlike you I can't post links or I would have. Then did you read my post about Taste.Online vs. Taste.com? Sometimes i feel like I'm speaking English and others are hearing Chinese, and before anyone gets carried away, i like the Chinese as much as the next race:xf.smile:
     
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    Brad...let me share a little personal experience with you and the keyword "online" My wife is a piano teacher at our home, but she use to teach elementary school full time before she retired. Prior to the pandemic she had from 15-25 kids and adults coming to our home for lessons. She does lessons virtually or online. She actually uses a program called Facetime to interface with her students.

    When asked what she does now she says, "I give piano lessons online" ....thus PianoLessons.Online, I don't own the domain PianoLessons.online, but I own a lot of other xxxxxxLessons.online. Here's what GD values PianoLessons.com for; $13,885. The .com leads to a site that gives Piano lessons, and here is what it says on the first page of their website;

    Learn Piano Online With Us!

    Brad...."online" really is a big deal especially with pure play "online" businesses. I'm pretty good at this name game Brad despite what you think. I know you don't like me, but you don't know me. Most people think I'm pretty charming and yes, entertaining. I'm the sort of human, you'd like to have a drink with either at a bar or "online"....i do a zoom Happy Hour with my friends from Kiwanis every Monday night. You see how this pandemic has changed things?, especially "online" vs "in person".

     
  24. Joe Nichols

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    Looks like even this site is being used:

    https://www.pianolessonsonline.com/

    PianoLessons.online might indeed be a decent investment! Time will tell.

    Ultimately, although I find .online a bit more appealing than most ngTLDs, I'm not convinced that the extension makes for a good investment (even at a dollar each) unless you're able to stock up on strong single word names. Until the extension sees a lot more adoption (and aftermarket sales), the demand just isn't there.

    At least you got your 700 names at a low cost @ThatNameGuy! If your plan is going to work, the acquisition and renewal price is key. As soon as you have to pay regular renewal prices, the whole model is screwed. I know you've mentioned in other posts that you're hoping to work out a renewal deal with the .online registry; I hope that comes through for you, since you'll need more than a year to really give this a go.
     
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    It was more pointing out that the sponsors and NamesCon come up with all this marketing BS to get people to buy into it......you should know this Rich, being a sales and marketing Guru :xf.wink:

    Also I read you loud and clear, difficult not to with all these "next big thing" threads :xf.smile:O_o
     

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