.tel .mobi can you hear me now?

[movingconcierge]

Or should I say .tel and .mobi naysayers can you hear me now? I have numerous .mobi names and several .tel names. A chief criticism of .mobi and .tel has been monetization. Well, ladies and gentlemen, allow me to introduce you to the end of the monetization argument.

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What a great business model. I can't wait to see how it evolves.

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To the naysayers, let's have an open debate about how this new monetization model will make mobile only sites more or less viable. Let's not rehash old arguments. mmmkay?

 

[movingconcierge]

I actually think it is a big deal really. There aren't any mainstream, low level players in the click to call arena or there'd be a lot more talk about it on these boards. It's a new rev stream that fits perfectly with where the mobile net is going - local and direct connect.

Can you name any other click to call programs that will have such a broad reach through another affiliate provider like CJ?

Also, you're a forum mod, Jesse; you need to be above the fray now...lucky you :P

 

[labrocca]

Well sure this company might do well but how does it really help push the mobi or tel markets?

Or should I say .tel and .mobi naysayers can you hear me now?

Seems a double standard you want to discuss mobi and tel but don't want others to bring them into the discussion.

Can you name any other click to call programs that will have such a broad reach through another affiliate provider like CJ?

Okay so this company is early to market. Again...how is this really related to the growth of mobi or tel? Reading more of their site it sounds like their whole game is based on voip. Sort of kills any relationship with domains doesn't it?

Also, you're a forum mod, Jesse; you need to be above the fray now...lucky you :P

Don't think that will stop me from voicing my opinion. I'll just try to be nicer about it.

 

[movingconcierge]

Well sure this company might do well but how does it really help push the mobi or tel markets?

mobi development starts to hit a wall when you try to connect to vendors that support mobile transactions. Unless you build out a custom site, there's really not many mobile providers to choose from. It's a road block in my opinion. The click to call removes the mobile transaction roadblock. Further, conversions do get better when talking to a live person over clicking a cold keypad.

Seems a double standard you want to discuss mobi and tel but don't want others to bring them into the discussion.

There's no 2x standard here, Jesse. I want this discussion to be about how RingRevenue.com relates to .mobi and .tel. Not all that other garbage that people like to bring into the arena. Leave that crap out and talk real about this new technology. We could both recite the old crap in our sleep. It's done.

Okay so this company is early to market. Again...how is this really related to the growth of mobi or tel? Reading more of their site it sounds like their whole game is based on voip. Sort of kills any relationship with domains doesn't it?

"Track calls like clicks. Easy to get started. Simple to use." is their slogan. I don't see how it could be any more relevant to mobile websites, really.

Don't think that will stop me from voicing my opinion. I'll just try to be nicer about it.

don't slip up on your recovery. let me know when you hit step 5 - I want to take notes.

 

[DubDubDubDot]

Pay per call is certainly interesting, but I wouldn't rest the fate of .tel and .mobi on a startup like this. Even in a best case scenario it could be years before affiliates have a decent selection of merchants to promote.

The biggest hurdle is that merchants really love the fact that affiliates are sending person to person phone transactions and they don't have to pay for those affiliate sales.

But even if this can work out, I don't see the benefit for .tel "webmasters" since they appear to be pretty noobish. They would put the numbers on their .tel profiles, but who is going to ever see them? Oh that's right, Google is going to one day rank keyword.tel's at the top without the need for legit development and SEO work. [rolls eyes] I would be way more excited over this calling system in use in creatives hosted on real TLD's.

 

[movingconcierge]

Thanks for your opinion.

I'm not putting the fate of .tel and .mobi on a startup affiliate program. That's naive. No. I'm saying that it's a perfect fit.

This seems mixed up and I don't understand what you meant by this:
"The biggest hurdle is that merchants really love the fact that affiliates are sending person to person phone dtransactions and they don't have to pay for those affiliate sales."

Can you clarify what you mean?

My opinion of awareness is that once new revenue streams, like this new technology affords, makes it mainstream more developers will be encouraged to build out sites. And again, once a developer builds out a site, they generally don't just sit on it, but they actively promote it using adwords, YSM, etc and of course back links too. So I don't really see how the argument that these names will just sit there after being developed holds true.

Lastly, I asked nicely to leave all crap arguments at the door and strictly address how RingRevenue.com applies to .tel and .mobi. Please try to stay focused and have a real discussion. Thanks.

Pay per call is certainly interesting, but I wouldn't rest the fate of .tel and .mobi on a startup like this. Even in a best case scenario it could be years before affiliates have a decent selection of merchants to promote.

The biggest hurdle is that merchants really love the fact that affiliates are sending person to person phone transactions and they don't have to pay for those affiliate sales.

But even if this can work out, I don't see the benefit for .tel "webmasters" since they appear to be pretty noobish. They would put the numbers on their .tel profiles, but who is going to ever see them? Oh that's right, Google is going to one day rank keyword.tel's at the top without the need for legit development and SEO work. [rolls eyes] I would be way more excited over this calling system in use in creatives hosted on real TLD's.

 

[Smith]

pay per call isn't anything new, it's been around for years.

Honestly in my opinion the argument that monetization options are a factor in valuation is way off point. There will always be ways to monetize visitors, existing and new, the real issue is with obtaining the visitors in the first place. These names get virtually no type in traffic so all that leaves is SEO development / traditional advertising models, that makes them as valuable as any other random extension, and .tel is possibly worth less.

 

[DubDubDubDot]

This seems mixed up and I don't understand what you meant by this:
"The biggest hurdle is that merchants really love the fact that affiliates are sending person to person phone transactions and they don't have to pay for those affiliate sales."

Can you clarify what you mean?

Affiliates getting paid for the sales they send is dependent upon accurate tracking by the affiliate program. Unfortunately a lot of them use all sorts of little tricks to get out of paying for affiliate sales.

The telephone order is the most innocent looking way of dodging affiliate payments. It isn't tracked, the affiliate gets nothing and merchants use the excuse that they can't track call in sales. Believe me, the affiliate programs aren't looking for a way to fix this either.

 

[plaggypig]

The telephone order is the most innocent looking way of dodging affiliate payments. It isn't tracked, the affiliate gets nothing and merchants use the excuse that they can't track call in sales. Believe me, the affiliate programs aren't looking for a way to fix this either.

Of course you can track phone calls. Tracking actual sales is harder, but solvable, however ultimately you're relying upon the advertiser to report honestly. You can detect fraud by looking at the average number of leads across all (similar) advertisers V the number of sales and root out the ones with an abnormally low ratio.

 

[DubDubDubDot]

Honestly in my opinion the argument that monetization options are a factor in valuation is way off point.

I disagree. The ability to monetize is clearly the driving factor in most domain's value. The exception being pure brandables and premium names where the buyer has their own product to sell. But once you get down into affiliate webmaster level domains (which is like 99.9% of domains), the health of that affiliate industry segment plays a role.

 

[labrocca]

"Track calls like clicks. Easy to get started. Simple to use." is their slogan. I don't see how it could be any more relevant to mobile websites, really.

Interesting because I don't see a connection at all. Cell phones are not VOIP based...unless someone is using a SKYPE application. This isn't a service for "Pay Per Call" but instead a tracking method for an ancient sales method (telemarketing). I don't see the tel/mobi relationship at all.

 

[movingconcierge]

Got it. Thanks for you further explanation.

Affiliates getting paid for the sales they send is dependent upon accurate tracking by the affiliate program. Unfortunately a lot of them use all sorts of little tricks to get out of paying for affiliate sales.

The telephone order is the most innocent looking way of dodging affiliate payments. It isn't tracked, the affiliate gets nothing and merchants use the excuse that they can't track call in sales. Believe me, the affiliate programs aren't looking for a way to fix this either.

 

[Archangel]

My arguement is simply: .mobi isn't established & isn't developed often enough for most ppl to even know the ext exists. This could benefit existing .mobi sites but that's the extent. And .tel doesn't have much monetization potential :p

 

[saucey]

True, but the brains of baby-boomers and internet users over 40 are not past phonebook level, and crave a central database similar to the tree-killing phone books of yesteryear. Yellowpages.com and other yellow.whatever "phonebooks" suck with outdated, inaccurate info. Yes, you can provide contact information in any extension, but the thought of a default database for email addresses, web addresses, street addresses, phone numbers, and other contact info doesn't strike me as a waste. If I'm not looking for a company's website, but merely their phone number or fax number, I'd like to know I can find it at their respective .tel, instead of having to google it on my shitty little mobile phone.

Whidh is exactly why I reg'd.. Pages.tel

Subdomains? .... oh...I dunno... maybe... Yellow.Pages.tel, or White.Pages.tel, or Blue.Pages.tel, or Realestate.Pages.tel... or..????

Sitting tight for now... hope it all works out for .tel!