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Alright, its time for the voice of reason….

First of all, I wanted to say that, it hasn’t escaped my attention that the forum seems to have risen to new heights this year.

There are more registered users posting and, perhaps even more importantly, “guests” popping through .tv land for a looksee.

There have been notable sales and some notable new .tv websites.

Bud.tv is going to be great for .tv and whilst the jury is out on Demand Media, I think it’s fair to say that our good friends there have injected some new life into the TLD.

Jeff has threatened to reg a .tv!!!

And then of course there is the natural evolution of the internet towards media 

But…too many times lately have I been reading the “[you’re / I’m] going to be a millionaire because [you/I] had the courage to reg that expensive .tv domain when everyone else was on the .com bandwagon” speech.

Guys, chill out. We are still very much in the virgin years of a highly speculative investment. Not much has changed. Yes, .tv has become more fashionable (see above). Yes, some people have regged some great names and are well placed, but the conservative in me (and there’s a lot of it), says take a deep breath, calm down and think of this like any other business investment. Realise that .tv is still at the unrealised idea stage.

So I have some words of pessimism for ya.

Investment Tip #1 – Don’t overextend yourself.

I see a lot of posts on here by people that have [insert random number] .tv domains. Now, I think that’s fantastic I really do but only if you can afford [insert random number] .tv domains. Otherwise, tomorrow you’re going to have [insert zero] domains. I’m not kidding. I see it every day.

Investment Tip #2 – Pick carefully

I think that I had registered about 40 .tv domains before I sat down and added up my reg fees and got a bit of a surprise. 40 non-premium .tv domains is $1200 - $1500 per annum of reg fees. Let’s say that you’re not a domain developer, but a domain on-seller. You are in .tv to buy some great names and sell them at a profit. Well good on you. Well here is the catch (and this isn’t rocket science). Out of that 40, the average .tv on-seller here is going to sell 4. Not “4 every year”. Just 4. This is where things get a bit tricky. If those 4 names net you, let’s say $5,000 (in aggregate), I think that we would all congratulate you on a game well played. But if you take 3 years to sell those names. Well, your profit is suddenly $500. And, if you funded those names through debt, you’ve probably lost money.

I acknowledge that everyone is different, but at this point in my .tv life (see above) I sat down and went “you know what [insert name], you’ve got some great .tv domains. (Equity would say they’re just “ok”, but you know that they’re great). You have also got some absolute dogs”.

I looked at my small parcel of great/good names and decided that I was going to look after those babies. That no matter what happened they were my poster boys and that I was going to make sure that they got all the attention they deserved. I also thought, “if I’m going to take a risk I’m going to have one or two premiums”. Which I did. This was to help make up the numbers of my 4.

So here I am now, still horribly overexposed to .tv but knowing that I have picked as well as I could for someone who found .tv in late 2005.

Investment Tip #3 – Create value

I am not a domain on-seller. At times, I caught the .t bug and just went reg crazy. I still have to stop myself every now and again…This was the closest I got to being a domain on-seller because I knew that I couldn’t develop them all.

But I have [for the most part] now stopped. Actually, that’s not true. I made myself a deal that if I wanted to reg another name I had to drop one. It really makes me pause before I hit the buy button.

I can probably afford a few more [hypothetically] so why aren’t I regging. Simple? I want to create value with the domains that I have. My “4” are going to be developed. The biggest impediment to development isn’t skill. It’s courage. Courage to get out that cheque book and develop your #1 name to its full potential. How do you kill courage? Kill your wallet. Reg those extra 40 [now getting pretty average] domains and spend that $1,000 that should have [at least partly] developed your new business.

Suddenly, you’ve held that premium domain (it is probably a premium domain) for 3 or 4 years. You’ve spent $[insert random number] holding that domain and you haven’t developed it. You’ve had a few tempting offers for it over the years but those offers are now looking smaller as you match them against your ever escalating reg fees, wondering how you’re going to recoup your investment.

Which leads me to Tip #4

Patience.

A wise .tv investor - unfortunately one that is no linger a namepros member -once told me that he had a 10 year plan for his .tv domains. And he had a lot of them, and they were all gold. I think he made a smart move. You need to give Bill Gates a chance to catch up. Patience isn’t any good unless you have complied with 1. and 2. above. Because, if you’re domain isn’t any good, it doesn’t matter how long you hold it. Pick carefully. And, you can have the best domain in the world but if you can’t afford to hold it (and to maximise its value) well, it just doesn’t matter.

Good luck with your investments. I wish your 4 the best of luck.
 
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AfternicAfternic
Some good points made Grant, especially on patience. T.V/Web convergence is at its infancy though exploding rapidly. And may I add I acquired my first .tv name today. Sneak.tv... coming soon!!!
 
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nice one. A little S-L-O-W on the uptake but that's a sneaky reg.
 
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Here, Here, Grant. Well thought out, excellent points, and great advice. Hopefully you're sentiments will save a few people alot of money. EQ and I talk about this quite a bit, and agree (if I had posted this I'd have gotten slammed and ridiculed). :D
 
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Grant,

Nice post and very much needed.

.TV is not here yet, not by a long shot. Although many think otherwise and there is quite a scramble going in the speculative arena.

Personally, 2009, maybe 2010....and those with great names will make do very nicely.

As far as regging is concerned, during my first six months at this, I regged perhaps 8 decent names, the other 70 or so were calamities, and wont be renewed and it is money down the drain.

Move to the premium 70% discount gold rush, and I believe that with the exception of PI.TV and CARE.TV, the rest of my premos were very well selected and have a bright future.

Post gold rush and I think I my choices in regges have got a whole lot better....I have regged around 50 since and believe tha I have about 10 dummies, 20 highly speculative and 20 decent regges , the specs regged for one year , the decent ones regged for 2 taking us through to 09.

If the specs dont pan out in a year, I drop them....the two year regges will take us to a time where surely the landscape will be a whole lot more favorable to .TV than it is now.....

So, total cost $2100 of regges when I first started - no returns not going to renew.

8 decent names = $240 per year

Goldrush discounts Paid for for either 2 years, or 3 years on some for less than 10K

This year 10 dummies, $280 (some were regged for two years) down the drain (unless I get lucky)

20 speculation - $200 - either sell, make the money from ppc or drop within 12 months

And 20 nice regges, $400 paid for 2 years....

So total cost is $11,280..with no further outlay needed on most of my regges for 2 years......

Giving my portfolio an excellent incubation timeframe, alowing the market to mature..........

Now, thats my risk exposure......what is the reward exposure.

Grant, you know about my premium portfolio, take a look at the signature...not bragging, brutally honest here............what do you think the chances are of me selling at least one of those if not more over the net two years and recoup my money I have outlayed in total.......???

I think there is a strong chance.....and I think it will be for alot more than $11,000 and that is based on offers coming in the market today........

There is also ppc, Made my first income if I could call it that, of over $500 and counting to the end of this month.....will it be the same next month....hope so, even half that amount I would be grateful for...so that knocks more of my investment risk down.....

Thirdly and most importantly, development..........there is a few dev projects going on in the background that will come to light this year within the next six months......these will hopefully produce incomes that I could only dream of before I got involved in domaining.....

It is only possible because I diversified my portfolio........geos, premos, financials, education, automotive industry, the list cotinues...

To sum up, for me $11,000 has been a risk so well worth taken..............this is my story though........

today, the oppurtunity for decent regges has shrunk so much, that I fear for some of the new crowd who are getting into regging TV,s today, cause most of the ones I see , are absolute bombs.......when I started, it was the luxury of my inexperiance that led me to reg bombs, today I think its the frustration of having come on board a little too late, that is leading to this sort of regging.

JMO

PS. - Westblock......dont worry about anyone elses opinion....you are usually on the right track with your comments!!
 
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Very nice to know your strategies James. Much to learn for me from your post and comments.

BTW, you do not like PI.TV, I can always take the burden off of your hands.

Nice post Grant, took some notes worth remembering. Rep added.

GH

MILLERSCROSSING said:
Grant,

Nice post and very much needed.

.TV is not here yet, not by a long shot. Although many think otherwise and there is quite a scramble going in the speculative arena.

Personally, 2009, maybe 2010....and those with great names will make do very nicely.

As far as regging is concerned, during my first six months at this, I regged perhaps 8 decent names, the other 70 or so were calamities, and wont be renewed and it is money down the drain.

Move to the premium 70% discount gold rush, and I believe that with the exception of PI.TV and CARE.TV, the rest of my premos were very well selected and have a bright future.

Post gold rush and I think I my choices in regges have got a whole lot better....I have regged around 50 since and believe tha I have about 10 dummies, 20 highly speculative and 20 decent regges , the specs regged for one year , the decent ones regged for 2 taking us through to 09.

If the specs dont pan out in a year, I drop them....the two year regges will take us to a time where surely the landscape will be a whole lot more favorable to .TV than it is now.....

So, total cost $2100 of regges when I first started - no returns not going to renew.

8 decent names = $240 per year

Goldrush discounts Paid for for either 2 years, or 3 years on some for less than 10K

This year 10 dummies, $280 (some were regged for two years) down the drain (unless I get lucky)

20 speculation - $200 - either sell, make the money from ppc or drop within 12 months

And 20 nice regges, $400 paid for 2 years....

So total cost is $11,280..with no further outlay needed on most of my regges for 2 years......

Giving my portfolio an excellent incubation timeframe, alowing the market to mature..........

Now, thats my risk exposure......what is the reward exposure.

Grant, you know about my premium portfolio, take a look at the signature...not bragging, brutally honest here............what do you think the chances are of me selling at least one of those if not more over the net two years and recoup my money I have outlayed in total.......???

I think there is a strong chance.....and I think it will be for alot more than $11,000 and that is based on offers coming in the market today........

There is also ppc, Made my first income if I could call it that, of over $500 and counting to the end of this month.....will it be the same next month....hope so, even half that amount I would be grateful for...so that knocks more of my investment risk down.....

Thirdly and most importantly, development..........there is a few dev projects going on in the background that will come to light this year within the next six months......these will hopefully produce incomes that I could only dream of before I got involved in domaining.....

It is only possible because I diversified my portfolio........geos, premos, financials, education, automotive industry, the list cotinues...

To sum up, for me $11,000 has been a risk so well worth taken..............this is my story though........

today, the oppurtunity for decent regges has shrunk so much, that I fear for some of the new crowd who are getting into regging TV,s today, cause most of the ones I see , are absolute bombs.......when I started, it was the luxury of my inexperiance that led me to reg bombs, today I think its the frustration of having come on board a little too late, that is leading to this sort of regging.

JMO

PS. - Westblock......dont worry about anyone elses opinion....you are usually on the right track with your comments!!
 
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gamehouse said:
Very nice to know your strategies James. Much to learn for me from your post and comments.

BTW, you do not like PI.TV, I can always take the burden off of your hands.

Nice post Grant, took some notes worth remembering. Rep added.

GH

Thanks GH.

Its not so much that I dont like PI.....more so that for the same money I could have bought a much much better name....hmmmmmmm lets think......MA.TV???!!!
 
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Well what Grant said has been echoed here for months previous with little attention paid to it, so hopefully as more people read these posts it will sink in. I have always stated that this is a pretty individual and subjective business. Personally I do not believe BUD.tv helps Lance and I's WET.tv I believe we will help it or it will sit doing nothing.

Dottv sighting threads scare me, because if you need to have a thread saying I actually saw a domain in your ext that must mean it is very small. There are no .com or .net sighting threads. For people who say I use it to show people a .tv send them to Google tell them to put in site:.tv 20 Million results enjoy

What Dot tv is? An extension that has been marketed as Television and not Tuvalu since 2000 an interesting TIDBIT Microsoft actually also was in the running with IDEALAB to get DOT TV. Microsoft showed up in suits - Idealab in shorts The island nation related to shorts WINNER - IDEALAB
Dot Tv is an extension that provided many in 06 with the opportunity to reg HIGH QUALITY domain names that were taken in every other major extension years ago.
DOT Tv is an intuitive extension that goes well with a lot of specific keywords that in some cases is #2 only to .com LCD.tv or Plasma.tv much more relevant and intuitive than LCD.net or Plasma.biz IMO
DOT Tv domains of a high quality generic I would say get more traffic than a .biz -.info -.us
DOT Tv is seeing more and more two word domains being regged. Second tier domains are getting regged in higher volumes than in the past and getting nominal offers that result in a 5x return on investment ( $20 to reg $100 min offer) This is nothing in the .com world but was unheard of in DOT TV in 2005 or even most of 2006.
DOT Tv is getting a new energy with DEMAND MEDIA
DOT Tv is the ext that ends in the most well known acronym in the world no matter what language someone speaks

What DOT TV is not
DOT TV is not new its been around since 2000 marketed as Television
DOT TV is not some get rich quick ext
DOT TV is not liked by the majority of domainers ( A MAJOR PLUS IMO )When everybody's cool THAT AIN'T COOL
DOT Tv is not an extension to own hundreds of domains unless you are financially well off due to the fact the reg fee is 3 to 6 times a .com depending where you register them. There were 30 some sales reported in 06 that number should grow but it won't grow to 1000 in the near future.
DOT Tv is not the only choice for a video site so that hype needs to calm down just a little it should make a great choice but some will always go with .com or a cctld

Millers I think the strategy you set out for you makes sense. You should IMO make much more than you put into .tv with sales and or development of your best .tv domains

The fact that there is a .tv subforum tells you how far .tv has come. In 04 There was not even a thread except for the ignorant fools that had no clue having a .tv sucks thread once in awhile.

Whether .tv becomes mass accepted means little to me Everyone here has domains that are excellent and intuitive for the ext that should make for a good business or a good sale.


"If you develop it, They will watch"
 
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The majority of domainers are wrong. Dot COM may be King of the extensions, but Dot TV will be the diamond in the rough. Media can be streamed across any extension, that has not changed. But with the rise of the Dot TV super power, there are more people scanning Dot TV sites and typing in random Dot TV URLs.

My universe is finite. I live in a Dot COM and a Dot TV world. Each receives their own respect. I am just happy I got in and continue to invest more in both those worlds.
 
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