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So Who has a Solution to Andrew Reberry?

Labeled as question in Domain Expiration and Domain Drop Catching started by domainhacks, Mar 22, 2013.

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  1. johnnie018

    johnnie018 Restricted

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    Can you imagine, what a mess!
     
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  2. Asfas1000

    Asfas1000 Top Member VIP

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    How can you tell how many domains they are dropping on a specific day ?
     
  3. maksimfa

    maksimfa Top Member VIP Trusted Contest Holder

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    I think their goal is purely to profit off of people who forgot to renew their domain for whatever reason.

    I had a few names that I did not renew when I was away from the game for personal reasons. They are now regged at Huge Domains asking $2,500 or so. If it was a developed business, I can certainly see paying their extortion prices.

    But... if @Rob Monster has his way and the business model moves to owning your name for life, this drop catch business will greatly decline as good names will be owned outright.
     
  4. BrandableDomain

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    Yep, that sounds correct, 1,252 registrars, DomainIncite gave a great overview of the state of play at the end of 2016 after DC added a staggering new 500 accredited registrars to change the game.

    “The new accreditations would have cost DropCatch $1.75 million in ICANN application fees alone. They will add $2 million a year to its running costs in terms of extra fixed fees.”

    Domain Incite

    http://domainincite.com/21309-dropcatch-spends-millions-to-buy-five-hundred-more-registrars

    One of the best things I did in domaining was to abandon SnapNames and move to DropCatch a few years ago. No more “won” names at registrars you’ve never heard of - some of which vanished or could not be transferred out. Often very stressful, but no longer, domaining became fun again.

    So my thanks and congratulations go to Andrew and Jeff Reberry for their superb operations.

    One reason I’ve tried to acquire as many domains as I could afford for over a decade (apart from the belief that they are appreciating) is I’ve always been afraid that Verisign, Godaddy or even someone like Google or Apple might take an interest and create say 10,000 new registrars for their own catching service. Maybe too paranoid.

    The good times may not last forever, who knows?

    The DC operation has been expanding for years so it clearly must be a profitable model. Last I heard I think Huge owns around 5M domains.

    @serhatkotan correctly answered your question as far as I know.
     
  5. stub

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    Correct. They cannot even beat a hand-reg for the same domain at GoDaddy. Now that is APPAULING.
     
  6. stub

    stub Top Member PRO VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    Actually. I like to see people succeed. Even in the domaining industry. I admire their innovation and risk taking. I admire them putting their money where there ideas are, to make it happen. Seizing opportunities. I admire @Rob Monster for much of the same reasons.
     
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  7. stub

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    That's more than$10M/year in wasted registrations.
     
  8. EbookLover

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    You should wash your mouth out with soap for saying the "D" word. That's a bad word to domainers. It's worse than the "O" word (outbounding).
     
  9. johnnie018

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    Yep, feels good.
     
  10. stub

    stub Top Member PRO VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    It's easy. You search for all the Pre-Release domains they are dropping on DropCatch.
     
  11. Asfas1000

    Asfas1000 Top Member VIP

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    Does this list not also include domainers' domains with Namebright ?
     
  12. stub

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    It's possible. but every domain I checked had been for sale by HugeDomains. But my sample was not scientific. It only included the domains I was interested in. 12 domains out of 4500 is not a representative sample :) I actually don't know if they are auctioning drops which they don't or shouldn't own, like GoDaddy. Perhaps I'll enlighten myself by going an having a read of NameBright's ToS :)
     
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  13. stub

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    NameBright's ToS: You get 30 days to renew at regular renewal rates. After 30 days the domain goes into Redemption Grace Period for another thirty days. They reserve the right to auction/sell the domain in this second 30 days, or RGP. But if they do. You still have a final right to renew the domain by paying the Renewal and RGP Fee of $85. They will inform you if the domain is sold, and still give you the right to renew before transferring the domain to the buyer. Which is one of the most generous RGP's I've seen.

    It's still possible that they are auctioning off other people's domains. I will check a few more domains to find if anything other than HugeDomains were the owners of any of these domains. But it's also possible, because of their ToS, that they are not auctioning off customers domains.

    The domains I won yesterday were transferred to my NameBright account today. That would have been 42 days after expiry. So perhaps I should read DropCatch's ToS, since any NameBright customer has up to 60 days to clawback a domain, which I'm not bound by.
     
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  14. BrandableDomain

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    I just remembered something important. Until five years ago, DropCatch was actually a private closed operation used to acquire inventory for Huge. So I searched for a report about it:

    DropCatch.com enters the expired domain business with a bang

    “Now the company is opening up its expired domain drop catching business at DropCatch.com. Even better, it won’t compete against the domainers that use its new system…”

    “…Some people are frustrated about competing head-to-head with HugeDomains. With the private beta launch of DropCatch.com, people no longer have to compete if they pay to use the system.”

    https://domainnamewire.com/2014/05/12/dropcatch-com-expired-domains/

    Domain Name Wire, 2014

    My opinion is we are lucky to be able to access their superior service, it is a privilege not a right, and thanks again to the Reberry brothers.
     
  15. stub

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    It could be possible that some of these Pending Release sales are competing with GoDaddys selling other registrars deleting portfolios. But I haven't seen any evidence of that.
     
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    Since I get confused about the different deletion stages, this was a good opportunity to learn more about it.

    ExpiredDomains.NET says that once a domain reaches the third stage “Pending Delete” then the previous owner can no longer renew it. Maybe NameBright has an unusually short Auto-Renew Grace Period which can be “up to 45 days.”

    This is followed by the Redemption Grace Period of 30 days. Then finally Pending Delete of 5 days.

    Here is ExpiredDomain.NET’s explanation of Pending Delete Domain Status:

    “After a domain expired, it will pass through a number of states, before it gets deleted. The last state before the deletion is the Pending Delete State. If the domain reaches this, the previous owner can not renew the domain and it will be deleted after exactly 5 days! …

    “There is no priority system for Domains in Pending Delete. Not for the previous owner and not for the previous Registrar. Everyone can register it when it gets finally deleted and everyone has the same chances. It only depen[d]s on the system you use to automatically register those domains. Some Backorder companies have more Registrars and with that can do more Registration attempts per second/minute. These have the best chances to actually get the domain.

    “Conclusion: The Domain will definitely become available and the previous owner can't do anything anymore to keep the Domain (except backorder of course).”


    https://www.expireddomains.net/article/pending-delete-domain-status-15103.html

    There is a great graphic explaining the deletion life cycle on ICANN’s site:

    https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/gtld-lifecycle-2012-02-25-en
     
  18. stub

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    The Com life cycle is typically 45+30+5=delete. At NameBright it is 30+30+15+5. So they extend the RGP by 15 days, and only charge a "reasonable" RGP Fee of $85. But the problem is, when it comes to DropCatch, most of HugeDomains domains are not at NameBright. AFAICT.
     
  19. stub

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    From my extremely limited testing of where Huge Domains domains are registered. They are at many registrars. At their 1200 Drop Catch Registrars, at NameBright, at some other Registrars they own. Quite a few of the Drop Catch registrars point to the NameBright DNS. So my guess would be that a substantial chunk of their portfolio would be managed by NameBright.

    So my guess would be that pretty much all DropCatch's expiring domains would be from the HugeDomains/NameBright/DropCatch portfolios. My guess, and it's only a guess, would be that the Expiring Domains list, probably would not include dropping domains from customers. At least until, we had some clarification from DropCatch, because of the vagary of NameBright's (and the presumably the others) ToS. Which clearly says they reserve the right to auction off their customers expiring domains, after they are over 30 days expired, but will offer any sold domain to their customers before completing the sale. Which is an anathema to functioning and selling expiring domains to the public.

    This about sums up my investigations into the question as to whether DropCatch expiring domains includes third party drops or not.
     
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  20. biggie

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    didn't know this thread was still going, until @Fadi H liked my post from 2013!

    my solution:
    to not buy more domains, than I need to own.

    imo...
     

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