Selling domain to fellow Namepros member

[VisualArtistFrankBonilla]

In the past week, I sold a domain to fellow member, Maximum. The domain www.PremierTicket.net was registered at www.Registerfly.com on 3-23-2004. After receiving instant payment from Maximum, I went to Registerfly.com and pushed the domain (within an hour) to the account Maximum gave me as his Registerfly account.

I followed the same process as I have before selling to other Namepros members. (please see my trader rating).

I soon received a reply from Maximum that he could not access the who-is information, and if I could please help him with this. I contacted www.Registerfly.com, on the 24 phone number. The girl I talked to advised me the domain had indeed been pushed to the account Maximum had given me, and the only problem was the the whois information was on default, and the he (Maximum) could easily change it to his info.

I then received another reply from Maximum, after He apparantly did some research on his own, and came up with his own conclusions. he aksed me to contact Enom, and have them fix the situation. I guess he based this on the whois info. But wait? I registered and pushed the domain on the day it was sold from www.Registerfly.com. Why would I contact Enom, especially since I had already contacted Registerfly, and they advised me the push was succesccful?

I also asked fellow member Regfly, to help me with the situation. He was a help, like he has always has been, and said he would have his people look into it.
I then received another pm from Maximum, asked me about whois information that I have no idea who it belongs too. I assumed it belongs to www.Registerfly.com, since it was not my whois info.

Maximum has now basically accused me of fraud by insinuating this domain never existed, and has asked for a refund. He has also complained to www.Paypal.com . He also pushed the "domain, as if it ever really existed" back into my account.
I find Maximum's actions insulting and uncalled for. On my second call to www.Registerfly.com, the girl, I think it was "Brittany", advised me again that the domain had indeed been pushed to his account. She gave me his real name, which Maximum had done also. She even gave me the the state he lives in. She said she would take the whois information off of the "default", and put it into Maximum's info.

I have sold to fellow members on here, and www.Afternic.com . This is the first problem of this sort I have had with a fellow member. Today, he pushed the domain back into my account at Registerfly.com. How could be do this, if the domain was not in his possession?


I am sorry to complain like this, and I hope it is not out of line. If it is please remove. I would like comments from fellow members on how they would have handled this. I feel I did everything I could have on my part. I even looked at Enom.com, to see if I had an account with then. I did, but I never use it. It shows "O" domains regsitered with them.

Thanks for any input.

 

[DotUSDomains]

Hi,

I may be wrong but regfly was an enom resseller before they became acredited.

That may be why he asked you to look at enom.
If the customer service girl put his details into the whois then if he tried to send the name back to you i would not have accepted the transfer as he piad for the name and you transfered the name (with a little trouble like many people have).

Sorry i cant help more.

good luck.

 

[.X.]

I had a name that showed the register as web.com.when the name was indeed at enom,A NPs admin alerted to me to the fact that enom works with other registers,but it really makes no diffrence,the name is registered to the person that shows in whois,It is common practice for people to push names with ther info still intact,And the new owner has to update the whois info,It sounds like you did everything possible to comfort the issues.I would simply give him a refund as he pushed the name back to you,Why he did that makes no sense,So i would just submit him a refund and forget about it,Maybe he will send your refund back aswell,If so,Keep it.Some people just can't be satisfied,This seems to be the case.

 

[sm]

IMO, if Maximum could push the domain back to your account, it means that he had control over the domain, and if so, why couldnt he himself change the whois info ??

THIS is the main issue here.

 

[wildbest]

There were plenty of discussions there why .net is actually donating traffic to the .com version of same name. Most likely this guy changed his mind because of the .net extension of the name. This is not good because a deal is a deal.

 

[Tippy]

Sounds like he is giving you a load of BS, like mentioned above, if he could push it back well he could have surly changed the whois info.

 

[Mark]

Sounds like he is giving you a load of BS, like mentioned above, if he could push it back well he could have surly changed the whois info.

^^^ Agreed ^^^

and in the future if you have Registerfly problems - I'd suggest contacting member "regfly" in this forum. His name is Paul and he can resolve most anything .... He knows what he is doing where-as most of the support team isn't known to

 

[Ray]

Ive myself had the sameproblem with registerfly, its not serverside, its client side with there javascript. It works fine for me now tho...

Wish i couk provide more help

 

[VisualArtistFrankBonilla]

To give credit to Maximum, there may be a problem with this domain. But, it was something that is totally out of my control. The domain was registered by me, and has an expiration date of March, 2006. (or so it says in my account) To be honest with you, I had over 500 domains at Registerfly at one time. I know don't exactly when, and which domains I renewed every single time. Regfly is working on it, and hopefully all issues will be resolved by today.

My whole point here was that I was not doing anything such as fraud. I had the domain in my account, and pushed it to someone else. Ther may be a problem with the regging, expiration date, I really don't know.

But really, how could I push a domain that is expired, doesn't belong to me, or is not in my account at www.Registerfly.com? I ain't that good!!!

Hopefully , Regfly will let us know what happened here soon.

Frank

 

[vimkar]

Hopefully , Regfly will let us know what happened here soon.

Frank

ok please keep us informed ....
thanks

 

[RJ]

Registerfly was, and is, an eNom reseller. While the names are technically with eNom (as the registrar), the names are sold and managed from Registerfly. It would be easy for the new owner to see if the domain "ever really existed" simply by trying to use the domain.

As for the WHOIS information, RegFly seems to have an occasional glitch where the contact information reverts to default regfly info in certain instances. NamePros is also an eNom reseller, and I have noticed this same phenomenom occur within our system as well.

 

[dna]

I had the same problem with ENOM. Even though I could set my whois
correctly in my ENOM account, ENOM would consistantly list someone
else as the owner of my domain names at the whois services.
ENOM would pretend that they didnt understand the problem when
I contacted them to correct this. When I transferred my domain
names to Godaddy, they gave Godaddy the incorrect whois information
rather than the correct whois info that was in my ENOM account.
ENOM clearly keeps 2 sets of whois information, one which they
dont let you change.

I believe the motives of Regfly and ENOM are more sinister than "an
occasional glitch" implies.

 

[Carlton]

I agree that the buyer pushing the name back to you indicates control on his part. You've been very forthcoming in this thread and it would have been preferable for Maximum to be more patient and trusting with you and the process. Unfortunately, he may have been burned by someone along the way. I've dealt with very high integrity people as well as very low quality scammers - all in the same day. It's the wild west out here.

 

[VisualArtistFrankBonilla]

I agree that the buyer pushing the name back to you indicates control on his part. You've been very forthcoming in this thread and it would have been preferable for Maximum to be more patient and trusting with you and the process. Unfortunately, he may have been burned by someone along the way. I've dealt with very high integrity people as well as very low quality scammers - all in the same day. It's the wild west out here.

There does seem to be a glitch somewhere. The domain was pushed back to me. I can't change the who-is back into my name ,either. As I said before, this domain was originally registered by me, at www.Registerfly.com on 3/23/04. I honestly think I renewed this domain in 2005, because it is listed on www.GreatDomains.com, I didn't want it to expire. My current listing on Registerfly since the push back, shows it expires on 3/23/2006, the same as it did before I sold the domain!! The problem is, I can't on any Registerfly reports where the domain was renewed in 2005. But, isn't it strange that if I had let it expire, it would show and expiration date of 2006, and I was able to sell, and push it to Maximum? To be honest, I had a problem earlier in the year with this domain "disappearing" from my listing. I have no idea what happened to it. With help from Regfly, it was reinstated into my listings. I guess there was a glitch left in the system.

Carlton, you said it best. I think patience would have been best. The domain was sold for $45, not enought to warrant all this grief, work, and trouble for everyone. So far, at least 4 or 5 individuals from www.Registerfly.com and www.Enom.com have been involved trying to correct this problem.

Frank

 

[maximum]

As Carlton said, I've been burned before, so assumed (and I'm sorry Frank you took it as personal) I was here. As my private PM's and emails stated, I was not saying it was necessarily your fault (Enom/RegisterFly/Whomever - I am having another problem with Registerfly, as I'm writing this, with a domain I personally reg'd just days ago). And you're exactly right, $45 was not worth it, especially to you. But it wasn't your money to begin with; and while I think the deal of such a name for that price was almost a gift, I non-the-less ended up with nothing but an "empty account" for it. If you'll go to the domain itself , and click where it says "Why am I seeing this web site?" (or right-click for properties), you'll see the subject ends in "Extended RGP", which is Extended Redemption Grace Period. I'll admit, it was my responsibility to have gone to the domain and checked that out before making the deal. I simply didn't, because your post said it didn't expire till 2006. In RGP, you can't change ownership or anything at all, other than renewing at several hundred dollars (fee depends on registry {as for this domain, being a .net is Network Solutions}...as does the time this period last before it is deleted) - And this can ONLY have been done by the initial registrant, becuase in RGP you can't even transfer ownership no matter what RegisterFly's accounts show/say. Both RegisterFly and Enom seem to tend on holding-on to accounts (basically their systems still record the domain, despite the fact that the registry itself has them deleted or in another status...Appears to be what happened here, as is the problem with my new dom at RegisterFly: They have me registering it {shows in my account, albeit I can't change anything} , and even did billed my credit card, but registry has domain as still available days later.).

I went for days back and forth with Enom, RegisterFly, and as you stated, you, trying to get to the bottom of the issue. I understand the money definitely wasn't worth it for you, but when I paid for the domain, I would never have assumed it had been in RGP since 23 Mar 2005 (as finally found out from RegisterFly). Rather you made payment or not, that is between you and RegisterFly (and maybe your CC company or PayPal ). All I know is that I couldn't pay to renew it if I wanted to because of the RGP. I'd have had to wait for registry to drop it (could be forever...had one once held for almost 2 years :td: ), and then just hope at that time that some nut didn't beat me to the drop with some back-order of a domain I paid for.

I'm sorry if it appeared I was accusing you of fraud. That was never my intent. I just got caught in a situation not of my making, and was a bit frustrated. And when you had told me what support at RegisterFly had told you, it was in direct conflict/opposite of what I was told. I understand you took a lot of time with this, but was afraid that because you didn't understand what the situation was (thinking I just didn't know what I was doing), that I'd be stuck. I admit to the group that I somewhat brashly demanded (ie: where the term "fraud" came up) my money back, after finally found out what had happened. I made the judgment, that by reading your postings here I find may be in error, that you should have realized what had happened to the domain's initial registration. Regardless or who dropped the ball (your forgetting to renew or RegisterFly's errors), I was stuck with a $45 blank sheet. I just finally got mad at the whole situation. $45 is not enough to blow a lid on, as I do alright financially. But, my money is my money, and I just wasn't going to give it to you only to have nothing and hope forever from now someone didn't back-order snatch what I paid for when the registry finally released it. I'm SORRY, I took it out on you; as I realize you may have been a victim of RegisterFly yourself in this case To that end, as I stated I would, I made a positive feedback listing for you prior to your posting here; as I respected the fact that you did give me the refund as asked. Fair is fair, and because it appears to have been something you were unaware of or a problem you couldn't solve, you did the ethical business practice by promptly refunding my money when I requested. Thank you for that!

I know this was alot of hassle, and I thank you for the trouble you went through. Sorry it seemed I was accusing you of something. I just am not one who lets things ride if they are unfair to me. I think both of us may be RegisterFly burning victims. I have 0% animosity against you, but understand if my reaction has you upset. We each have to look out for ourselves and at ourselves in the mirror (scary thought sometimes :lol: ).

With all due respect and gratitude for your efforts,
Corey Wilson, ACA, Ph.D.
aka: maximum

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PS: Maximum wonders how many domains at GreatDomains are registered through either RegisterFly or Enom. He swaggers over to his favorite WhoIs, just in case any are expired and available :p

 

[VisualArtistFrankBonilla]

Maximum

Maximum, I too am sorry this domain turned out to be a mess. It still hasn't been resolved. But, as long as you got your money back, and you are happy, then hopefully, we will close this issue.
As far as the domain, I am tired of wasting time on it. Sure, it is listed on www.GreatDomains.com, but so what. I have had 25 or so domains listed on their website, still have 3 or 4 on there. I have never sold one. I have never even gotten an offer on one.

I will write this domain off as a loss. If it corrected, and I am able to get to it, then great. Otherwise ,I have a domain which is listed under my domains at www.Registerfly.com, but which I can't touch! The whole thing is crazy.

I, too, will try to remove the negative rating from your trader rating. Sorry for this whole mess.

But, then again, what if I pushed it to myself at my account at www.Enom.com (I have zero domains there), then tried to change the who-is??? Ha!!!!
:td:
Frank

Frank

 

[maximum]

Frank,

All I can say is "Issue closed, and wish you the best of luck on it %%- "

 

[VisualArtistFrankBonilla]

Same here.

Same here.

Thanks

Frank

 

[VisualArtistFrankBonilla]

Solved

Thanks to RegFly, and people at www.Registerfly.com & wwwEnom.com , my domain www.PremierTicket.net has been fixed, the who-is is in my name, and it is regged for another year, until 2007!!!

See who-is:

http://whois-search.com/whois/premierticket.net

I will just hold onto it now, I have it parked at www.Sedo.com . Thanks for everyone's help, and comments. :yell:




Frank

 

[maximum]

Glad to see you got that fixed and back :tu: