Scammed on PayPal, what can I do?

[000]

On Sunday night, I sold two domains, registered at GoDaddy, to someone for a total of $85, which was paid via PayPal.

OK, so today the buyer filed a PayPal dispute, and the funds are now on hold while this is all under review. I can't reply to the dispute or anything, or even file a dispute myself.

Is there anything I can do about this? I'm just glad that it's only $85 (and the domains aren't even worth much - abolitions.com & wiibyte.com), but I would still like to get my money back if at all possible.

Thanks for any help :td:

Watch out for this guy:
The buyer's email is [email protected]
AIM is wewillrock111
MSN is [email protected]

 

[Kenny]

P/P outlines the steps you can take here.

http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/211146-interesting-p-p-info.html

 

[DN Tycoon]

I can't see any details on the dispute, so I have no idea. He got the domains, and I have the emails / AIM logs to prove it.

If someone has a dispute against you through Paypal then you are allowed to respond and see the details. Paypal does not allow people to dispute payments without letting the seller see the details and have a chance to respond as this is how the dispute system works.

 

[labrocca]

I just had a $35 dispute for an intangible item. I replied directly to the email with logic and reason. 2 days later they closed the dispute and gave me back the money...

Did I get upset or post in every forums that Paypal sucks? NOPE.

 

[CrazyTech]

It sounds to me like someone might have hijacked the account. I cannot say for sure without knowing any details, but Paypal has been fairly reasonable for me in the past. However, I had a case where a guy hijacked my account and luckily enough I was slow on pushing the name to him because I had one of those 6th sense moments that it's not right. Luckily as well, he wasn't smart enough to go ahead and accept the transfer so I quickly canceled and didn't lost a thing but the money he paid me. Paypal was terrible in the notification (it took 3 days after the deal was completed) and they froze the funds and didn't even email me to let me know I wasn't getting the funds back which left me in the negative. They're very bad about notification over there.

 

[dotnom]

I use Paypal all the time but only to respected sellers (as a buyer) and not to sell something (as a seller) that will cost me enough money.

I must say that 3 times i needed them, they failed to protect me. All logs and screengrabs and prior clean record were meaningless to paypal. I lost around $450 and i learned my lesson

A sample of their reply to a purchase i made and didn't receive the programming code :

"Unfortunately, PayPal was not able to resolve this dispute because the item purchased was virtual or intangible. As a result, we have not taken
any action against either account at this time. However, this complaint has been noted in the seller's record for future reference"

 

[cvxdes]

Non-tangible item. They cant do anything.

 

[000]

Non-tangible item. They cant do anything.

Hopefully not, but I haven't heard back from PayPal yet (I emailed them saying this a few days ago).

 

[000]

**** PayPal...how the hell can they do this after I told them that the domains were shipped virtually??

We have conducted a review of a payment that you received. In this case, returning the funds to the sender was determined to be the appropriate action, and we have completed a reversal of the payment. Good selling practices, like trackable shipping, prompt shipment, and communication between buyer and seller help prevent disputes.

The funds from the following transaction have been debited from your account:

 

[PolurNET]

I was scammed by the same guy for an IPB License about 6 months ago:

[email protected]

Highly recommend this post gets moved to Warnings section to prevent this crook from continuing to scam people

BTW, from what you mentioned, it doesnt sound like a Buyer dispute. This was a CC Chargeback, that initiated a PayPal review, which won't offer any opportunity for negotiation. If you say virtual, you LOSE 100% of the time. The 'Virtual' trick only works if you are the seller, and the buyer made a PayPal Buyer Dispute claim, if they don't have the ability to chargeback

 

[000]

I was scammed by the same guy for an IPB License about 6 months ago:

[email protected]

Highly recommend this post gets moved to Warnings section to prevent this crook from continuing to scam people

BTW, from what you mentioned, it doesnt sound like a Buyer dispute. This was a CC Chargeback, that initiated a PayPal review, which won't offer any opportunity for negotiation. If you say virtual, you LOSE 100% of the time. The 'Virtual' trick only works if you are the seller, and the buyer made a PayPal Buyer Dispute claim, if they don't have the ability to chargeback

Hmm that sucks. Good idea, by the way.

And I believe you misread my posts - I am the seller, and [email protected] was the buyer.

I wouldn't be pissed off if I knew this all happened because of fraudelent CC use...what pisses me off is that PayPal apparently reviewed the case, and sided with the buyer despite my proof against him.

 

[dotnom]

egnited don't think paypal like buyers and not sellers

The truth is they don't like both if they can't see a printed document from a reliable service
Email headers or chat logs or anything related with normal internet usage is not a prof for them

Selling domains or anything virtually using paypal is a risk

paypal is not exacly a good ... pal

I suggest domain buyers and sellers to agree for a sale at this :

1. Few months (as long as the dispute policy can be enabled) to change ONLY the nameservers and possibly the whois info
2. If the sale is fraud the sellers don't loose anything apart their time

This is also a risk because the buyer may feel strange so i assume you have to choose :

1. Risk of fraud
2. Risk of not selling
OR use escrow or sedo and have peace of mind

 

[falco85]

send email and faxes to paypal, explaining your situation. if you have a friend lawyer it may be a plus if he could send that documentation for you, saying that he's a lawyer. call them as well, I mean try to bring as much attention as possible, and maybe you should obtain some results. good luck!

 

[dotnom]

I don't think he can do much
From the role of the buyer i gave them all the prof to reverse the charge and they said they can't do anything

They suggested to report it to local authorities. When i told them that i don't approve their arbitration and they should do something since they have all the evidence in front of them , they replied they were sorry but can't do anything more

When i informed them that i will dispute the credit card charge that the paypal has on file they told me that they will ban me if i do this because these issues must be solved only inside paypal

Go figure... as i said before paypal not a good money pal

 

[cvxdes]

What you have to do in a case like this is escalate this to a claim with paypal, and tell them its a non tangible item. I guess im too late with that info, heh. I have experience with this, I guess you can say. I get about one of those per week, from hosting customers. They're quite funny, auctually. One said "Ran out of bandwidth", while another one says "My email got spammed".

 

[MyPGP]

Maybe PaypalSucks.com can help.