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Scammed by Network Solutions?

Located in Warnings and Alerts started by James Rodman, Sep 29, 2015.

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  1. forge

    forge Hi friend VIP

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    Completely forgot that was our transaction!

    You had great patience while I sorted out our "problem" and you are a trusted member in my book.
     
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  2. James Rodman

    James Rodman Established Member

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    You are as well. Thank you
     
  3. webm

    webm Established Member

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    Although the issue seems to be resolved on surface, I would still request from the second party (Chetan) to poke Network Solutions and not let them get away this easily. If there was a chargeback, they should clearly mention it. What they are mentioning, is no chargeback but just that the domain was never renewed. In this case just a simple question: "How the hell domain got pushed to another netsol account(s) if it was expired as netsol doesn't allow the push of any domain even after just 1 day of expiry?"

    Chetan, you should either call them as they suggested. If you can't call, re-open the support ticket and demand them they clarify this issue via the support ticket itself as you are unable to make a call.
     
  4. James Rodman

    James Rodman Established Member

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    also to mention the domain was pushed twice between 3 accounts. The previous owner gave me his account then i transferred to my account then i transferred to chetans account. if it was expired would this be allowed?
     
  5. domainerfella

    domainerfella DN.DOMAINS VIP

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    With link to this thread of course so their bottom moves.
     
  6. dexdn

    dexdn Top Member VIP

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    Hm, I learn that 2014/5 :)
    Total loss: $3.000 so far
    1und1 is bad story all the way.
     
  7. Abdullah Abdullah

    Abdullah Abdullah Devuu.com Moderator Gold Account VIP

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    Hmmmm I always wondered why Godaddy asked for renewal fee when I buy an expired domain on their auctions website cause I could always see that it had a year left. Now I understand it then.
     
  8. chetan9693

    chetan9693 Upgraded Member Gold Account VIP

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    Thanks for understanding my points :)

    I do really appreciate it
     
  9. chetan9693

    chetan9693 Upgraded Member Gold Account VIP

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    Thanks for the Refund.
    Apologies for calling you scammer. there was a bit of misunderstanding and now things are much clear.
    You are a Great Guy James and definitely I will be happy doing business with you in near future
     
  10. chetan9693

    chetan9693 Upgraded Member Gold Account VIP

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    i will make sure that Net Sol does not run away with it so easily.
     
  11. Keith DeBoer

    Keith DeBoer Active Member PRO VIP

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    Nice to see a happy ending. Congrats to both of you for seeing it through!
     
  12. James Rodman

    James Rodman Established Member

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    not really a happy ending for me but im glad chetan is happy.....
     
  13. Beezy

    Beezy Active Member VIP

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    Has Flippa shined any light on the seller yet? What about the mods on namepros regarding that user account?
     
  14. James Rodman

    James Rodman Established Member

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    i sent an email to flippa but no reply still
     
  15. Paul Buonopane

    Paul Buonopane CTO, NamePros CTO VIP

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    2015-01-28: Last WHOIS update before 2015 expiration date; owner is Long Island Online Services, Inc
    2015-07-21: Domain expired with registrar (NETWORK SOLUTIONS, LLC; IANA ID 2)
    2015-08-25: Dropcatchers were reporting that Lio.net had expired and was pending drop the same day
    2015-08-25: Lio.net dropped; picked up by NameJet
    2015-08-29: Lio.net picked up and sold by NameJet for $1,800
    2015-09-02: Lio.net parked with Sedo

    The domain was not renewed in July. Part of NameJet's deal with Network Solutions is that they agree to back-pay the renewal costs. The domain was renewed on 8/25 by NameJet.

    Without taking into account either of the stories written here, the history of these domain seems pretty clear: an end-user owned it, it expired, NameJet got it, high bidder bought for $1,800. I don't see how anyone else mentioned--James or Chetan--ever had their hands on this domain in this timeframe.

    I'm not going to read all 15 pages of speculation, but I noticed mention of Flippa while skimming through. It looks like this auction probably took place shortly after NameJet sold the domain. At first, this leads me to believe that Chetan bought the domain from Danny ort privately, resulting in the auction being cancelled shortly after its creation. But this doesn't quite make sense: if I understand correctly, Chetan bought it for $440, but Danny ort bought it only days prior for $1,800. That math doesn't quite add up. Nevertheless, we'll ignore that for now, because...

    2015-09-11: (+/- 2 days) Nameservers for Lio.net now point to ns1/ns2.cyanhost.com. WHOIS for cyanhost.com has Chetan's name.

    So, without doubt, by 2015-09-11, Chetan was the rightful owner of the domain.

    Then we have this curious event:

    2015-09-15: (+/- 2 days) Nameservers for Lio.net now point to ns2626/ns1626.ztomy.com

    ztomy's server redirects to malware distribution sites, probably for affiliate pay. So, here's how it works:
    1. You go to one of ztomy's websites
    2. You get a virus
    3. ztomy (or someone else--does it matter?) gets your usernames, passwords, credit cards, and (evil laugh) domains.

    @chetan9693, @James Rodman, one of you got hacked. If that domain ever made it into your account, James, it was you. Otherwise, it was Chetan.

    My secret sources lead me to believe that James was the unfortunate victim. That's not definitive, though. There's also the remote possibility that Chetan or James is the culprit behind ztomy. ;)

    tl;dr: One of you needs to change your passwords. Probably both of you just to be safe. :)

    To everyone else who reads this and feels the need to investigate ZTOMY: Don't. You'll end up in the same mess.
     
    Last edited: Oct 1, 2015
  16. Beezy

    Beezy Active Member VIP

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    New Ventures LLC is a division of Network Solutions, btw. You can look up their 570 number it resolves to several Network Solutions departments.

    I think this is the whois they use when sending domains to auction at Namejet (please someone correct me if I'm wrong).
     
  17. Paul Buonopane

    Paul Buonopane CTO, NamePros CTO VIP

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    Makes sense. I'll update the post; thanks.
     
  18. DomainGist

    DomainGist Active Member VIP

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    Danny Ort is James Rodman, who didn't sell the name on flippa.

    Chetan didn't buy the domain from flippa, and didn't buy it for $440.

    James Rodman (Danny Ort) purchased the domain for $440 on flippa, and then sold it to Chetan for $1000+
     
  19. James Rodman

    James Rodman Established Member

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    wowww. i think chetan got hacked by ztomy then or i understood it wrong. just to clear up i was the one who bought this on flippa (i m not ventures llc or whoever they are) for 440 and chetan bought from me on here as private deal for 1000 and yesterday it was gone from his account. so were we all wrong that thisguy named "Jack" wasnt the scammer?
     
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  20. Jordan22111

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    I highly doubt networksolutions are scamming people, maybe they are just ruthless business practices because they have been in business since the start along with the other early risers in the domain industry.
     
  21. Paul Buonopane

    Paul Buonopane CTO, NamePros CTO VIP

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    Bah, I can't keep track of who did what. Point is, somebody who doesn't care about your security/privacy/sanity now has the domain.
     
  22. James Rodman

    James Rodman Established Member

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    chetan had the domain in his account last and it was gone yesterday. so he was hacked? and domain wasnt expired then right?
     
  23. Paul Buonopane

    Paul Buonopane CTO, NamePros CTO VIP

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    Maybe, maybe not. Hard to say which one of you for sure. You should both change your passwords, just to be safe--though that won't fix the problem if you still have malware. (Or maybe it was just a successful phishing attack; could've been a million things.) This ztomy guy has the domain now, and I doubt he's going to be interested in parting ways with it. Of course, if Network Solutions and Public Domain Registry both cooperate, you may be able to get it back, but that's always a matter of luck. Whoever had the domain last would have to contact them about that. (Chetan, in this case?)

    Or ztomy could be Chetan's. Or yours. Who knows :)
     
  24. James Rodman

    James Rodman Established Member

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    ok then previous owner "jack" is innocent and everyone blaming me on here for dealing with "Jack" are also wrong as he looks innocent in all this from what Paul is saying. Also now we know flippa isnt involved in this but still curious to see he was banned there
    thanks for clearing this up this makes it a lot easier now and we can eliminate certain people who we thought were at fault (jack)
     
  25. Paul Buonopane

    Paul Buonopane CTO, NamePros CTO VIP

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    WHOIS for ztomy com reveals this:
    Code:
    Registration Service Provided By: SKENZO FZE
    Seems to have something to do with http://skenzo.com/.

    lio.net was definitely owned by Chetan at one point, which means it left your account. WHOIS doesn't lie. Ethically, Chetan should be taking the loss on this one, unless you'd rather compromise.
     

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