Located in Warnings and Alerts started by James Rodman, Sep 29, 2015.
Your scientific method isn't.
I know you can do better (my inner math teacher is speaking).
i had this domain for basically less than 1 day and chetan had it for a month. who seems like the likely candidate here and had their account hacked?.....
I would certainly not fully discount that you were scammed at this point IMHO. Theres too many red flags on the purchase to rule it out at this point.
Did you phone flippa? If it was my money I'd be on the phone yesterday.
Isn't what? :P I'm sticking to the history that I found. With the exception of one WHOIS record that matches Chetan, I don't know who's who in that history. I can just see that stuff moved. The rest is just guesswork, and I won't pretend it's anything more than that.
i emailed them as Kevin mentioned in the thread still waiting on a reply
Recap of the unknowns:
1. Who is Namejet user Williamson21 who bought Lio.net at Namejet on 8/29 for $1800?
Is that banned Flippa user jackBrown22 (https://flippa.com/users/1022180), who sold the domain to Namepros user James Rodman (https://www.namepros.com/members/james-rodman.965431/) for $440 on September 1st?
If these are the same people, STRANGE MOVE. If not, did Flippa user JackBrown22 somehow steal the domain from Namejet user Williamson21?
Also worth noting, jackBrown22 was selling myxl.com on Flippa as well, another domain that was bought on Namejet on 9/02 for $1,700 and then sold 2 weeks later on Sedo for $850 (not reported because I assume that whatever shenigans happened with Lio.net, also went down with myxl.com). Should we contact the owner of myxl.com and see if he has any info?
Last weird connection - Namepros user jackCodee signed up on September 7th and was last seen September 8th. No doubt he is Flippa user jackBrown22 as he was advertising the Myxl auctions (and the lower case j in jack/camelCase in both usernames is interesting) https://www.namepros.com/members/jackcodee.981669/
2. If the domain was indeed expired, how was it able to transfer from 3 different accounts AND have the whois updated upon those moves (both Chetan and James Rodman claim it updated). If there was some sort of payment fraud at Namejet, could it somehow retroactively be pushed into an expiration mode by the registry?
3. Why was it taken from Chetan’s account? Netsol told him it was expired in the chat logs.
yea #3 is the one im wondering. if we go back to number 2 this would suggest the domain wasnt expired and netsol is lying
They probably didn't look into it. They saw that it had expired in their logs and didn't even notice that it was a completely different account, and had since been dropped/caught/renewed. It's probably a question that they get a million times a day from people who can't figure out where their websites went.
As an outsider who has zero stake in this but just like internet sleuthing, it's a little weird to me how when you were so quick to yell "Scammer!!!!!!!" at Chetan but when it comes to finding out info about this other person who sold you the name, you seem mostly disinterested.
"i sent an email to flippa."
Based on how you started this thread, I'd expect you to be way more vigilant trying to find answers from all three of the companies involved in this.
Just an observation made with zero judgement of any kind attached.
yes i emailed flippa as kevin suggested trying to reach their security guy Josh . chetan told me he contacted netsol and even if i contact netsol i wasnt the last owner so if they told chetan that then i will be dismissed even faster. also i pmed his account here i emailed through his email he had on flippa and no reply on those either. believe me im trying to find out if he was involved in this.
If Chetan was Whois registrant of record for nearly one month, why did he never receive the renewal notices?
And by your own account I thought you'd determined the domain was renewed in August?
It was back-renewed in September before Chetan (or James) even had it. NameJet renewed it the moment they caught it.
Sorry, August (8/25/15)
So how the h3ll does it still expire? (As I'm about to do.)
A so far undocumented chargeback?
I'll say it again, phone don't email. Follow up the phone call with an email confirming your conversation.
I can see now emailing is not going to get anywhere fast, phoning is immediate, harder to ignore a phone call than an email.
Remember its your money, you are the only one who is going to care enough to force action, the longer you sit back emailing and talking here the more time passes and the harder it will be.
I agree with the post a couple up in that you need to take action now, it seems to me as you keep letting it slip through your fingers. Emailing and discounting theories because another one popped up isn't the way to go.
I think you have two equally valid theories that both need to be looked at:
The seller who sold to you scammed you
The Malware one.
The first makes logical sense, but I wouldn't rule out the second, finding out why the seller was banned on flippa will go a long way to pointing at the real reason, as I said before, phone them, don't email get an answer now, don't get put on the I'll reply to that email sometime list that ends up not getting done.
But hey, its your money.
There is still an elephant in the room....
Why would Jack spend $1800 on the domain at NameJet just to turn around and liquidate it for $440 a short time later. It's a very liquid domain we're talking about here. Liquid enough to sell for double the amount James paid in very short order. In fact, you flipped it the same day for over $1K. It doesn't add up to me....
well i would call if they had a phone # to call on their site.... email is only way to contact from what i see
Meant to edit the original post....oops
yes i agree with original post
Elephant for sure. Probably the most suspect thing out of all of this.
Unfortunately, I think it's past the point of no return. It's with a different registrar now; it'll be a first if the two registrars are willing to cooperate with each other on a matter like this. A phone call would certainly be the way to go, though.
Usually scammers pick registrars that they know won't work together with other registrars. From their perspective, it's a matter of trial and error: if a registrar takes back the domain you stole, move onto the next registrar.
whos the registrar its with now? i thought network solutions still has it?
You're right, they do. Must be confusing myself with all these WHOIS records. Quick, before they get any ideas :P
I am getting a bit confused. Actually I am completely confused now
Actually domain was showing changed Whois since 17 September, so it might me not near me since that date. the sad part was that i came to know about it yesterday when I checked my account(I was above to move it to godaddy).
Unfortunately I never received any notice from network solutions regarding domain expiration or account change. when i saw that domain is not in account I had called them up 4 times and they keep me telling that the domain was expired and was not with them but some New Ventures LLC or whatever their name is and I do need to contact them. when I asked them to give me in written whatever they just said (for filing dispute on paypal) and , then they told me to open a ticket.
I have updated the tickets here itself.
will do it again for reference of @Paul so he can help us solve that what exactly happened
Separate names with a comma.