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Domain names applied for during Sunrise but for which applications were rejected or have expired will be made available again on June 7
28 Apr 2006
On June 7 at 11:00, Belgian Local time, the first set of domain names that were applied for during Sunrise, but for which the applications were rejected or have expired, will be made available for registration again.
The list of all the domain names that will be released on this date will be published on EURid website 2 weeks in advance, on May 24. By making the list of released names public beforehand EURid gives any interested parties a fair chance to register them.
It has been suggested that by publishing a list we are helping the cyber squatters. We believe that these people are well aware of the releases anyway by studying the WHOIS database. By publishing a list, EURid wants to give everybody, including those parties who applied for names during Sunrise, a chance to see when the names will become available again. It also allows EURid to be transparent in what is happening with the Sunrise domain names.

Source: EURid

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[DropLister]

I have a list

 

[kev]

any chance of a wee look? :hehe:

 

[jmcc]

Well the main point will be if EUrid has actually bothered to do anything about the bogus registrar problem. Otherwise anyone hoping to get one of the expired/rejected domains will be up against these 700+ bogus registrars again.

Regards...jmcc

I have a list

Shades of Richard Nixon? Actually there is still a lot of opportunity left in .eu despite the landrush. The danger of snagging an expired/rejected .eu is that there could be an ADR looming.

Regards...jmcc

 

[kev]

i think we have a little chance now because we no to avoid registrars such as go daddy (Damn them! :hehe: ). I am going to use pool again although you are almost certain to go to auction and bid crazy money. What registrar had the best %?

 

[Brujah]

I have created a set of lists for the purpose of grabbing these names. Inquire if interested.

 

[Damion]

Anyone knows if the 4th landrush begins hand registrations will be possible as well?
Or is there some period of time people will be unable to do manual registrations?

 

[jmcc]

Anyone knows if the 4th landrush begins hand registrations will be possible as well?
Or is there some period of time people will be unable to do manual registrations?

2nd Landrush. Not even the smurfs in Eurid are planning that far ahead. (Though it is debatable if they even have a plan.).

The whole thing will probably be yet another mad rush. So the more pre registrations you have, the better your chances are. Manual registrations might be worth a try as well.

Regards...jmcc

 

[Damion]

Ehr...second landrush yeah LOL I was a bit confused with the whole phase thing, 4th phase--->second landrush

Yeah i guess it wouldn't hurt trying. And it would probably be the same as before.

 

[gazzip]

I would'nt get to excited, If they do list all the names becoming available the same thing will happen and the so called "phantom" registrars will be back to get the lions share of them too !. :td:


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[DomainBuyerBroker]

Who cares? No value in .eu anyway. It's DOA. 90%+ of all .eu buyers are buying on spec with no intentions of developing so .eu is useless.

 

[jmcc]

Who cares? No value in .eu anyway. It's DOA. 90%+ of all .eu buyers are buying on spec with no intentions of developing so .eu is useless.

I'm not quite sure that it should be written off just yet. The theoretical speculative/squatted figure, based on the 700 bogus registrars is at least 700K domains. But that means that around 1 million domains have been registered for other purposes. Some might well be speculative but a lot of them seem to be protective registrations. And there are .eu websites appearing. Rough guesses based on data at hand: 36% to 50% speculative with the rest being protective and developer registrations. Getting a decent view of the .eu gTLD is difficult because most of the bogus registrar operations did not assign any nameservers to the domains they are squatting in order to protect themselves.

Regards...jmcc

 

[jkotinis]

list?

I have created a set of lists for the purpose of grabbing these names. Inquire if interested.

What list is this? Could you share?

thanks
John

I'm not quite sure that it should be written off just yet. The theoretical speculative/squatted figure, based on the 700 bogus registrars is at least 700K domains. But that means that around 1 million domains have been registered for other purposes. Some might well be speculative but a lot of them seem to be protective registrations. And there are .eu websites appearing. Rough guesses based on data at hand: 36% to 50% speculative with the rest being protective and developer registrations. Getting a decent view of the .eu gTLD is difficult because most of the bogus registrar operations did not assign any nameservers to the domains they are squatting in order to protect themselves.

Regards...jmcc

May I add something? It's not that much (700k). I think most of them (700+) were trying small subsets of a big list (LLL + premium names) which is not more than 100K names.

But since there is so much theory developing about speculation in a completely new TLD ( less than a month, 1.7 million names), what can someone say about .com? where at least 30% or 20 million names (60 million in totals?) are PPC pages, and more generics are owned by very few holding companies in exotic islands? What can someone say about the so called domainers (us ?) who have more than 1-3 k domains? How many are they that have thousands of domains? I alone who began for hobby few months ago (and I bought cheappy and very crap domains-by ignorance- which i will let them drop ) have nearly 1k names.
How many millions .com are owned by such guys?

Most generics are also caught by the biggies and have a TM on them.

What is finally the difference between .com speculation and speculation in other TLDs? Is speculation.com worth more than speculation.eu? From mine perspective, that might be the only domain that will have equal value in both extensions, because of the meaning. For the rest .com will be the first.

I believe it will take some time to see real sites on .eu, but sooner or later it will happen.

kind regards
John

 

[jmcc]

May I add something? It's not that much (700k). I think most of them (700+) were trying small subsets of a big list (LLL + premium names) which is not more than 100K names.

Well the 700K is based on the 700 bogus registrars each managing to register 1000 domains John. Many of the LLL domains are split over the sunrise and the landrush. I'm not sure what the premium domains are but there is a definite pattern of evasion being practiced by these bogus registrars - they don't (generally) have nameservers assigned to the domains. This makes it very difficult to track the activities of these bogus registrars and get an accurate figure.

But since there is so much theory developing about speculation in a completely new TLD ( less than a month, 1.7 million names), what can someone say about .com? where at least 30% or 20 million names (60 million in totals?) are PPC pages, and more generics are owned by very few holding companies in exotic islands?

Out of that 60 million domains or so, 30% will be dead with no nameservers answering for them. The PPC sites tend to be easy enough to pick out in a crawl of .com because of the similarity in html or even simpler, the fact that many PPC sites share single IPs. This makes them stand out like huge spikes against the noise floor of the rest of the web.

What is finally the difference between .com speculation and speculation in other TLDs?

Well with .eu, the registry Eurid colluded with organised warehousing and speculation. The .com gTLD has no real restrictions. The .eu gTLD is supposed to be the EU gTLD and the restriction is that the holder has to have a connection with the European Union.

Is speculation.com worth more than speculation.eu?

Yes. One is a long standing gTLD with a history of high value sales and global credibility. The other is a mickey mouse gTLD that has limited appeal and very poorly administered. The .com speculation is the kind that takes place in a mature market and the .eu speculation is the kind that happens in a new market where resale values have not yet been established. The result is that many people who are speculating in .eu gTLD do not necessarily understand the value of their domain or its resale value - something that is borne out by the rather high prices that some people think that their .eu domain is worth.

I believe it will take some time to see real sites on .eu, but sooner or later it will happen.

It is happening already. The first sites will be the hobbyist/blogger type sites followed by the directory type sites. Approximately six to twelve months in, the real sites should start to appear. These will be the unique .eu sites that use .eu as their primary site identity rather than tuple sites that have one identity like .com but have the net/org/biz/info urls pointing to that .com site.

Regards...jmcc

 

[okaybutwhy]

well said jmcc... this market is not mature. there is no comparison btw eu and com at this point. anyone know the highest value of an eu resale to date? anyone know of any eu resale to date? can't go by list price... what are people paying in this market???