discuss .Online Domains - Why 3,634 and counting

[ThatNameGuy]

NamePros member @DirkS has requested that I provide an explanation for why I've registered over 3,600 .online domains in the last six months, so here goes;

First and foremost I'm a visionary. I've started dozens of business in my life. I'm 73 years old, and I started my first business while still in college in 1970. Sure I could just be saying this, but if you have doubts I would strongly suggest that you check me out.

Having learned about this industry just over three years ago I've found the .com extension for most new business names to be both unavailable and unaffordable. I've learned that if I were to start a new business today it's unlikely the name I choose for my business would be available or affordable.

Most important, like zip codes and area codes there are literally hundreds/thousands of alternatives, and .Online just so happens to be one of the alternatives. What initially attracted me to the .Online extension was when NamesCon Online (aka NamesCon.com) made the decision to have Radix (aka Radix.online) be a sponsor. Radix then created the domain NamesCon.online to compliment/match NamesCon.com.

When I realized how the .online extension matched up with names like Reservations.online, Shopping.online, Learning.online and Domains.online, I just knew i was on to something Note that names like Reservations.com, Shopping.com, Learning.com and Domains.com are not only "unavailable", even if they were available, they'd most likely be "unaffordable"

Ironically about the time I noticed the .online extension, Go Daddy and Radix partnered and made .online domains available for a first time annual registration fee of .99 cents, and an annual re-registration of just 49.99 thereafter.

I've spent over a thousand hours in the last six months buying mostly one and two word .online domains, so if you were to add my time to the approximate $4,200 I've paid Go Daddy, I have over $20,000 invested in my portfolio of 3,634 domains.

My critics will say things like, you'll never be able to afford to renew all your domains at 49.99 each to which I have a twofold answer; #1 i don't need to renew a single domain and #2 whose to say the renewal fee isn't negotiable....as a businessperson I've learned that pretty much everything is negotiable.

Of importance to me is the fact that "if" my .online domains were .com domains my portfolio would be "valued" at over twenty million dollars. Yes, that's $20,000,000 or 20M

Now is where the rubber meets the road meaning, how do I plan to sell these domains? I just started listing them with the likes of Go Daddy where my current pricing ranges from a low of $199 to $999 and I'm looking to have an annual renewal of $99.....remember, everything is negotiable.

I plan to experiment with financing, leasing/renting and licensing my domains. I also plan to form a "users group" where end users actually have an interest in promoting the .online extension to the world.

Few domains and especially .online domains will sell themselves Thus I plan on having an "outbound" sales/marketing team who share my vision to make .online both available and affordable.

Finally, I owe a bit of gratitude to the monopoly Verisign for confirming my suspicions about the nature of the .com beast. While the beast is slowly dying, alternative solutions are ready, willing and able to take over.

Thank you!

 

[ThatNameGuy]

You will probably have to live that long to sell a two word .online domain.

Brad

You mean you didn't see on Nambio where Findme.online sold for $7,500 or ubet.online sold for $3,000 or Classrooms.online for $1,050, MyWorld.online for $2,699, InHouse.online for $2,399.

My point is......you 'aint seen nothing yet

 

[bmugford]

You mean you didn't see on Nambio where Findme.online sold for $7,500 or ubet.online sold for $3,000 or Classrooms.online for $1,050, MyWorld.online for $2,699, InHouse.online for $2,399.

My point is......you 'aint seen nothing yet

Congrats on the sales! Were they all yours?

Brad

 

[Joe N]

Suggestion for showcase site:

MakeDomainsGreatAgain.online

 

[Jason Baudendistel]

I like .online but not as much as .COM , .net or .IO , I could see an argument for .AI for tech domains. It's hard to see the same market demand for for anything not in the top 4 or 5 extensions unless it's a really premium keyword.

 

[ThatNameGuy]

I like .online but not as much as .COM , .net or .IO , I could see an argument for .AI for tech domains. It's hard to see the same market demand for for anything not in the top 4 or 5 extensions unless it's a really premium keyword.

Jason, i git it and thanks for commenting. I'm not sure why you like .online, but could it be the way it compliments what's left of the dot like serialentrepreneur.online or strategyconsulting.online or digitalpromotion.online?

Not to make this too complex, all three of these .online names came straight from your "Information" page here on NP;

"Serial Entrepreneur, Amazon best selling author, Digital marketing and business strategy consultant."


Finally, i just hand reg'd gitit.online because 1. it's catchy, 2. it's short 3. it compliments/flows with .online 4. gitit® is not trademarked, 5. gitit.com is already taken and is for sale for $10,000 and 6. gitit.online was just a buck....what a deal

Again Jason, thanks for being you

 

[Altetra]

You say that the .com's are out of reach but I assure you there are many 2 word available to hand reg, which will cost allot in the future, so to me .online is not worth much, only some one word would make sense.
But of course you want free advertisement on NP forum, which I m sure many already understand.
P.s. (If you know the future you can beat the present. by iTesla)

 

[Alessandro Couteau]

One thing these threads really highlight is that previous business experience doesn't transfer over to the domain investment field in a meaningful way.

If you are less stubborn, and willing to learn it might be more helpful though.

Brad

I cannot speak for everyone Brad, however from my GTLD investments over the past 5 years; I have done better then if I had invested w/ Berkshire Hathaway and gained a 20% ROI annually

Over the last 5 years w/ my partner I have achieved a 3000% ROI across the board, how about them apples

All that said, we should support each other in their own respective investments, these investments only highlight the domain industry further and bring value to both sides of the fence, wether you are a GTLD investor, a TLD investor, or a CCTLD investor

If you are going to invest in GTLDS though; I’d stick to exact match popular keywords in valuable industries

movies.online

cars.online

insurance.online

etc.

 

[Future Sensors]

All that said, we should support each other in our investments, it only highlights the domain industry further and brings values to both sides of the fence, wether you are a GTLD investor, a TLD investor, or a CCTLD investor

I have no problem supporting good investments, but I'd appreciate the correct use of terminology. It's confusing for other members.

TLD = Top Level Domain => ALL extensions
gTLD = Generic Top Level Domain => This is not about the New gTLDs only, and even includes .com

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_top-level_domain

 

[Alessandro Couteau]

You say that the .com's are out of reach but I assure you there are many 2 word available to hand reg, which will cost allot in the future, so to me .online is not worth much, only some one word would make sense.
But of course you want free advertisement on NP forum, which I m sure many already understand.
P.s. (If you know the future you can beat the present. by iTesla)

Sorry your statement made me chuckle.

“There are plenty of valuable two keyword.com domains to hand reg” ... lmfao no there aren’t and I gladly test you to provide examples here,

Verisign lost in court 5 years ago against .xyz because the Verisign team could not even hand reg a premium or sub premium domain upon searching In court ... Verisign finally admitted at the beginning of the year that they have simply run out of .com domains to resell and that the majority of the market was now held by endusers who did not want to sell or investors who have priced their domains in retrospect of being unattainable ... And hence Verisign has secretly bid $165M for ownership of .web and paid $100M + for .tv in the year 2000

https://watch.tv

 

[Alessandro Couteau]

I have no problem supporting good investments, but I'd appreciate the correct use of terminology. It's confusing for other members.

TLD = Top Level Domain => ALL extensions
gTLD = Generic Top Level Domain => This is not about the New gTLDs only, and even includes .com

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_top-level_domain

I do not know a single PRO .com investor that will correctly state a new GTLD extension is a TLD ... therefore anything that is not .com, .net, or .org I have always referred to as a GTLD,

Nonetheless ty for the info and insight !

 

[ThatNameGuy]

You say that the .com's are out of reach but I assure you there are many 2 word available to hand reg, which will cost allot in the future, so to me .online is not worth much, only some one word would make sense.
But of course you want free advertisement on NP forum, which I m sure many already understand.
P.s. (If you know the future you can beat the present. by iTesla)

iTesla.....i tried to make it clear the "good" two word domains are out of reach or unaffordable. Example; LocalSports.com is valued at $13,839 at GD, and if you were to call GD like I did you will find the owner is asking 10M, yes that's ten million dollars for his/her domain.

To add to this story, a friend of mine Scott Cash has been a local sports announcer with WVEC TV an ABC affiliate in my area for the last 30 years. Scott will be retiring in a year or two, and since he does such a great job covering local sports I looked into buying for him the domain LocalSports.com. I'll agree that LocalSports.com is better than LocalSports.online, but 10M for LocalSports.com compared to 2K for LocalSports.online doesn't compute in my mind.

I think it was Brad who said comparing .com to .online is a lot like comparing a Ferrari to a Volkswagen or similar to comparing a Tesla to a Prius. I see his point, but understanding they're both modes of transportation the purpose of which is to get you to a destination (website), renders his point moot/useless when you consider the price tag

 

[ThatNameGuy]

I cannot speak for everyone Brad, however from my GTLD investments over the past 5 years; I have done better then if I had invested w/ Berkshire Hathaway and gained a 20% ROI annually

Over the last 5 years w/ my partner I have achieved a 3000% ROI across the board, how about them apples

All that said, we should support each other in their own respective investments, these investments only highlight the domain industry further and bring value to both sides of the fence, wether you are a GTLD investor, a TLD investor, or a CCTLD investor

If you are going to invest in GTLDS though; I’d stick to exact match popular keywords in valuable industries

movies.online

cars.online

insurance.online

etc.

Allessandro....the only thing I might add, there are some two keyword domains like LifeInsurance.online that can be an affordable option when LifeInsurance.com isn't available.

Note....LifeInsurance.com forwards to NorthwesternMutual.com.

Thanks for your observations and analysis.

 

[ThatNameGuy]

Sorry your statement made me chuckle.

“There are plenty of valuable two keyword.com domains to hand reg” ... lmfao no there aren’t and I gladly test you to provide examples here,

Verisign lost in court 5 years ago against .xyz because the Verisign team could not even hand reg a premium or sub premium domain upon searching In court ... Verisign finally admitted at the beginning of the year that they have simply run out of .com domains to resell and that the majority of the market was now held by endusers who did not want to sell or investors who have priced their domains in retrospect of being unattainable ... And hence Verisign has secretly bid $165M for ownership of .web and paid $100M + for .tv in the year 2000

Allesandro....as you know I've been saying this for years, thus the reason for 3,783 .online domains or 119 more then when I started this thread. Speaking of two word domains, just today I registered BuyFresh.xxxxxx, GetHome.xxxxxx and GetCar.xxxxxx and Single Malts Online

Verisign said in 2019,

"Domain speculation, or “domain scalping,” as some call it, has become a highly
profitable industry unto itself. Flipping domain names or warehousing them to create scarcity adds nothing to the industry and merely allows those engaged in this questionable practice to enrich
themselves at the expense of consumers and businesses."

While I may be a little ahead of my time, it was statements like this that confirmed my suspicions about the industry, and especially .com.

Good luck to you and your family Allesandro and i just registered Tuscany Wine .Online for you if you want it

 

[Future Sensors]

Verisign said in 2019,

"Domain speculation, or “domain scalping,” as some call it, has become a highly
profitable industry unto itself. Flipping domain names or warehousing them to create scarcity adds nothing to the industry and merely allows those engaged in this questionable practice to enrich
themselves at the expense of consumers and businesses."

While I may be a little ahead of my time, it was statements like this that confirmed my suspicions about the industry, and especially .com.

https://domainnamewire.com/2018/11/...ut-domain-scalpers-and-its-biggest-customers/

Verisign has been catering to this market for years. Sponsoring its conferences, promoting domain investing, creating the very tools designed to let domain investors know which domains to register…and now it wants to pretend it has nothing to do with this “questionable practice”. C’mon.​

 

[NickB]

Allesandro....as you know I've been saying this for years, thus the reason for 3,783 .online domains or 119 more then when I started this thread. Speaking of two word domains, just today I registered BuyFresh.xxxxxx, GetHome.xxxxxx and GetCar.xxxxxx and Single Malts Online

Verisign said in 2019,

"Domain speculation, or “domain scalping,” as some call it, has become a highly
profitable industry unto itself. Flipping domain names or warehousing them to create scarcity adds nothing to the industry and merely allows those engaged in this questionable practice to enrich
themselves at the expense of consumers and businesses."

While I may be a little ahead of my time, it was statements like this that confirmed my suspicions about the industry, and especially .com.

Good luck to you and your family Allesandro and i just registered Tuscany Wine .Online for you if you want it

You probably own more .online domains then any other individual , if not you are one of the biggest holders of .online domains......so when you spout off about "domain scalping" it's a bit rich.....Rich....

I have highlighted above what you yourself are doing with .online

So........you are "domain speculating" with the intention of "flipping" them to make a profit and "enrich" yourself (no matter how small or large) You have have also created "scarcity" by holding so many

Pot kettle black springs to mind........

 

[ThatNameGuy]

You probably own more .online domains then any other individual , if not you are one of the biggest holders of .online domains......so when you spout off about "domain scalping" it's a bit rich.....Rich....

I have highlighted above what you yourself are doing with .online

So........you are "domain speculating" with the intention of "flipping" them to make a profit and "enrich" yourself (no matter how small or large) You have have also created "scarcity" by holding so many

Pot kettle black springs to mind........

who do you think you're talking to? I'm not creating scarcity, but the .com speculators are by "hoarding" their domains. Sure I plan to make money, but at the expense of the real scalpers and hoarders. Would that be you Nick

 

[ThatNameGuy]

Verisign has been catering to this market for years. Sponsoring its conferences, promoting domain investing, creating the very tools designed to let domain investors know which domains to register…and now it wants to pretend it has nothing to do with this “questionable practice”. C’mon.​

That's exactly right....we don't disagree, but I intend to use it to my advantage

 

[NickB]

who do you think you're talking to? I'm not creating scarcity, but the .com speculators are by "hoarding" their domains. Sure I plan to make money, but at the expense of the real scalpers and hoarders. Would that be you Nick

I'm talking to a guy who thinks it a good idea to register 1000s of 2 word .online domains

Of course you are creating scarcity - you own over 3000 of them - what about that poor little business who can't register there perfect .online for a penny....they now have to deal with the main .online scalper - ThatNameGuy who is one of the top .online "hoarders"

 

[ThatNameGuy]

I'm talking to a guy who thinks it a good idea to register 1000s of 2 word .online domains

Of course you are creating scarcity - you own over 3000 of them - what about that poor little business who can't register there perfect .online for a penny....they now have to deal with the main .online scalper - ThatNameGuy who is one of the top .online "hoarders"

LMAO Nick....so the "poor little businessman" can either pay the "super hoarder" a Million dollars for a premium .com domain like QualityHomes.com, or pay me a Thousand dollars for QualityHomes.online.

At least my homes are available and affordable Nick, whereas your homes aren't affordable at all

 

[noneisnone]

@ThatNameGuy or he could pay that same thousand for Quality.Homes no ? with the way things are going soon each keyword will have it own extension ^^