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No sales since July, is there a whining fairy to reach out to

Labeled as discuss in Domain Selling and Domain Sales started by Mark4domain, Oct 15, 2019.

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  1. biggie

    biggie Top Member VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    Hi

    domain names have been selling for years, many without landers.

    there is also no statistical data to support any theory, that not having a SSL certificate on an "offer to buy" lander has been a deterrent to interested parties wanting to purchase that domain name.

    therefore there is no evidence that traffic to a brandable domains' page is wasted, if it doesn't have a SSL certificate.

    in other words, no SSL certificate is needed or required to sell a domain, nor has it been proven that not having one will limit your sales.

    imo...
     
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  2. Rob Monster

    Rob Monster CEO, Epik Epik.com Staff PRO Gold Account VIP

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    What has changed?

    - Ad blockers are now common and block most of the content on a parking page.

    - Search engines have weighted SSL as a standard. SSLs are increasingly free Any serious site should have one.

    - GDPR has turned WHOIS into Swiss cheese. A very high percentage of domains now have no way to contact the registrant as a result.

    All that said, do as you like.
     
  3. jamesall

    jamesall Upgraded Member Gold Account VIP

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    What a simple and great clarification. Taken onboard.
     
  4. Rob Monster

    Rob Monster CEO, Epik Epik.com Staff PRO Gold Account VIP

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    Thanks.

    The brand marketplaces have been a good thing. In fact, we even considered an acquisition in that arena. However, what caused the pause was the obvious race to the bottom on retail pricing.

    Brandable domains are an art form -- a great brandable is worthy of a premium to a strategic buyer who agrees with you about the genius of the brand.

    Please should stop selling art like its trash. The appraisal engines routinely undervalue them. I have a guy right now that wants to buy my domain name SmartBack.com,

    He comes to me with an offer of $2718. Why? Because it is appraised on Godaddy for that. Nonsense. That is a genius brand. He can buy it for $100K, or he can lease it for cheap: just $75 per month.
     
  5. biggie

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    Hi

    I agree, a lot has changed and thru that time....
    as I like... is always, how I've done it.

    I moved a couple of domains from one ppc to another, and the ctr and epc have increased for both in the last two months.
    now that's a nice surprise :)

    average ctr for portfolio across various ppc platforms is around 20% and has been in double digits for over a decade.

    sure, ad blockers have had an effect on ppc,
    but some who provide these services have adapted and even prevailed those obstacles to a level that still makes them productive and potentially profitable options.

    I also agree that SSLs can be had or used for free, ppc's have them and a website that conducts business, should have one too.

    as for whois and gdpr, I still get inquires via whois and inquiries about domains that are on privacy by default, not to mention the spam emails and phone calls from folks who skim registrations and zone files.

    sure, a lot has changed, but a lot has stayed the same.

    imo….
     
  6. Don Gondon

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    When the browser tells its user in a red font that "this site is not secure", quite a few people are going to reconsider doing any kind of payment-involving business with that website. You don't expect all the buyers to be tech-savvy to the fullest, do you?
     
  7. Rob Monster

    Rob Monster CEO, Epik Epik.com Staff PRO Gold Account VIP

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    Exactly right -- this is about trust signaling.

    The ones who are not clever are the ones who get scammed the most, and who are the most likely to go "pencil's up" when they see something that looks off.

    So, yes, when selling a domain name, trust signals are key.

    Also, like it or not, I do sometimes see that people discriminate against people that are not from their country. This is why we provide assistance with closing deals for folks that want that.
     
  8. biggie

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    Hi

    glad you brought that up
    it's obvious that one should only conduct payments on a secure website.

    since ppc's pages and the landers they provide, along with aftermarket and escrow services all have them as well, means they are already prevalent in the domainer industry and in use.

    so, in the context of my reply, whether to have or not to have a SSL, is really moot point.

    the point was domains were and are still being sold, without the buyer ever visiting a ppc or for sale lander where they might or might not see a SSL.

    and that in the context of "promotion", there is no advantage is getting or using a SSL from one platform or provider than from another, since it has become the norm

    imo...
     
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  9. FavourB

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    @Rob Monster I definitely agree with you on having a private lander for brandable domains.

    I have test run these brandable website with one of my domain www.paywik.com and I just feel it is lost in a deep ocean. Despite the number of views I see on SH and the shortlist it gets, my brain keeps telling me those are Bots.

    At the same time brandable needs awareness, brandable needs it to be promoted, is just like an artist or a musician even if the sing a good song the still need to promote it to the world.

    I see brandable domains as such, since most of them are made up words and new handreg it needs promotion and these brandable website helps in promoting it, Nevertheless i still get your point and like your opinion on brandable being on its own. Just that it can limit your Chance of getting a sale
     
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  10. Rob Monster

    Rob Monster CEO, Epik Epik.com Staff PRO Gold Account VIP

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    Two things:

    1. If your brandable is good, others will eventually agree with you. This works only on .COM or some domain hacks. For example, I own Get.Fit. We get inquiries.

    2. If you add SEO content to your SSL lander, then you do get some organic traffic. We are working on
    increasing that, e.g. through unique IPv4, custom DNS, etc. More to come there,.

    The folks that do have their domains at Epik will see the most innovation since it is easy for us to update their DNS and WHOIS on the fly to optimize.

    The problem with the marketplaces is that many of them require exclusive. I call BS on that.

    Regards,
    Rob
     
  11. Laguna

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    Hence why I regged
    ListBrandables // com
    Someone will use it at some point I'm sure
     
  12. FavourB

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    Yeah there is market value for that name and commercial usage.
     
  13. Laguna

    Laguna Established Member

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    I hope your right 😀
    May I have your view too @Rob Monster
     
  14. Rob Monster

    Rob Monster CEO, Epik Epik.com Staff PRO Gold Account VIP

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    Look at the text:

    "List Brandables".

    What does it say? It is a verb and a plural noun.

    So, how would I use it?

    I would create a tool that lets you list brandable domains plus give you the option of submitting those brandable domains into marketplaces that feature brandable names.

    You could make money by collecting affiliate fees or by collecting inquiries and then contact the registrant as a broker.

    The domain has potential but the work and value is in setting up the business model behind it. If it becomes a centralized place for finding/searching brandable names, it could work.

    After all, the brandable market is now federated across multiple marketplaces that require they get the exclusive. That does not stop you from scraping their site and aggregating the inventory.

    You're welcome. Free business model. Anyone who does it, helped make the pie bigger. Great.
     
  15. Laguna

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    Thanks for your reply Rob it's very much appreciated. I will take everything on board and look further into it.
    Gary
     
  16. xynames

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    Getting on the phone with a potential buyer is a great way to close a deal at the highest price possible. I have two domains being held by escrow.com domain holding where the payments made per month for the next year and a half provide me with a nice stream of income that more than covers all of my registration costs for my 1500 or so domains, and both of these deals were closed on the phone.

    I have noticed that a lot of ridiculous offers (under $50.) have come in for my domains over the past couple months, but also some good offers, not all of which have been high enough to reach a deal, but at least not ridiculously low.

    Some of the domains I hear of being sold for mid five figures I shake my head and think that I'd have not even thought to ask so much for, but assuming the reports are accurate and not B.S., more power to the sellers!
     
  17. sharastar

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    Only some good names are there.But definitely should keep the .Co.Uk one.

    Please get rid of the names with 3 words(Most of them are going beyond 20 letters get mostly rid of them).Only keep the 3 words name which makes sense like really gives you some meaning to you and the end users.
     
  18. Laguna

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    Thank you for the feedback. I have taken it onboard and dropped the long ones.
     
  19. Brands.International

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    Hmm, all what I am learning from this thread is that I truly envy @Rob Monster 's get.fit domain name .. what a nice name! Wish it could be mine, but most probably it will not go for cheap :)
     
  20. Recons.Com

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    Domain is just 1 of 20+ components needed for a successful business. Just because you have a suitable name, don't assume you can start even a website. Do you have experience in websites, security, coding etc? If you outsource, do you know how to write up the scope and manage the project? Do you have a team? Do you know if the brandable markets will be willing to work with you? Are you going to charge for the service? If yes, would people pay? If no, how will you monetize? And if all that works, is ListBrandables even the best option for that project or you are better off finding a better name like ListBrands, ListDomains, DomainList, BrandList, BrandableList, Listed, WeList, Listable, Listing, Listings, ListNames, NameList etc.
     
  21. Rob Monster

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    That's funny -- happy to work with a capable broker on that one. Get.Fit has nice potential. I need @domainexpert77 to tune up that landing page.
     
  22. Laguna

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    With respect you could say that about any domain name. There are always alternative's and options
     
  23. Recons.Com

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    I agree. This is not about your name. This is caution not to fall into a development trap when you are not ready. Even a great name might have a better alternative that might make sense if total investment into project is large enough.
     
  24. elmoney

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    Strange, I have the same situation, no sales/inquires for the last 3 months
     
  25. marcreative

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    5k domains!!! Wow amazing!
     

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