legal Net Neutrality Has Been Repealed!

[DaveX]

I just read that...

F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules
WASHINGTON — The Federal Communications Commission voted on Thursday to dismantle rules regulating the businesses that connect consumers to the internet, granting broadband companies the power to potentially reshape Americans’ online experiences.

The agency scrapped the so-called net neutrality regulations that prohibited broadband providers from blocking websites or charging for higher-quality service or certain content. The federal government will also no longer regulate high-speed internet delivery as if it were a utility, like phone service.

Full Story: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/14/technology/net-neutrality-repeal-vote.html

How will this change things?

 

[pokainc]

THE ANALOGY WAS THAT SOMETHING THAT CAN IMPACT BILLIONS OF PEOPLE SHOULD BE REGULATED AND NOT LET FREELY IN THE HANDS OF CORPORATE INTERESTS. The comment about nuclear weapons was SARCASM!

 

[Dondomainer]

Why don't you tell me? You're comparing the Internet to a nuclear weapon while arguing everyone should have one.

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The bombs have been launched since always after the flow of communications between nations. Today we have billions of data running from one place to another between real people that increasingly determine whether or not that bombs is used, So, draw your own conclusions, - what is the trigger ??

 

[Michael M]

THE ANALOGY WAS THAT SOMETHING THAT CAN IMPACT BILLIONS OF PEOPLE SHOULD BE REGULATED AND NOT LET FREELY IN THE HANDS OF CORPORATE INTERESTS.

Typical debate of people/corporations versus government. Who is better suited to decide something?

I could enjoy a conversation about this that was substantive, but I don't imagine that is possible.

Either way - rather you want to realize it or not - that company built that pipeline that your data is going through. I'd say they should have some right to complain when something clogs that pipeline. But that is my point of view, and you will have yours.

Either way companies built the internet and made it what it is. The government did not. So people who say it is the end of the internet because this regulation, that did very little to this point, is gone - are crazy.

And this law wasn't a law, but a regulation imposed by the FCC.

If you want Net Neutrality, stand up, call your congressman, and make it a law. That's how it works in America. (or is supposed to)

 

[Michael M]

Haha... You guys literally went nuclear with your rhetoric.

Too funny.

 

[mr-x]

@mr-x... what's so difficult to understand?? You're being stupid for not understanding and being so closed minded... for God's sake.. it's like arguing with a wall... I'm done with this.

Net Neutrality is a concept that gives a level playing field with no favoritism...... doesn't stifle innovation and increases the competition among new businesses and existing ones...

If anything the internet was developed by the US Army.... so to even say gov't should have nothing to do with it is ridiculous to start with.

Gov didn't lay fiber optic cable to my house.

 

[pokainc]

@Michael M
Man, forum debates on namepros have become worse than youtube comments... There is nothing TYPICAL about it as the internet is not a TYPICAL resource / commodity.

I am NOT for government meddling in all affairs, but some sectors of industry that heavily impact everyone's lives on a daily basis and serves more and more as people's bread and better need some proper oversight.

The "typical" part about this is closed minded people like you who bundle everything together and say if someone is for some gov't oversight on certain topics, that that person is for Gov't oversight everywhere ...

 

[mr-x]

The bombs have been launched since always after the flow of communications between nations. Today we have billions of data running from one place to another between real people that increasingly determine whether or not that bombs is used, So, draw your own conclusions, - what is the trigger ??

Hmm.. sound like a great argument to destroy the Internet.

 

[pokainc]

@mr-x
@Michael M

I hope one day you do something that happens to be against what the ISP decided is their new policy... might not happen today, but I hope it does. The small mindedness is incredible....

 

[Michael M]

@Michael M
Man, forum debates on namepros have become worse than youtube comments... There is nothing TYPICAL about it as the internet is not a TYPICAL resource / commodity.

I am NOT for government meddling in all affairs, but some sectors of industry that heavily impact everyone's lives on a daily basis and serves more and more as people's bread and better need some proper oversight.

The "typical" part about this is closed minded people like you who bundle everything together and say if someone is for some gov't oversight on certain topics, that that person is for Gov't oversight everywhere ...

How has your internet been any different in the last couple of years?

How has your internet been different in the last day?

Who has created all the infrastructure and how do they get compensated?

This isn't a matter of me bundling anything together.

 

[pokainc]

You said

Typical debate of people/corporations versus government. Who is better suited to decide something?

When you say typical, it implies all the conversation of people vs corporations.. hence typical. Usually I'm not for heavy regulations.. in this case , some regulations.. yes

 

[HotKey]

Although domains have been around for a while now, the actual Internet itself is in a sense still being pioneered. This decision takes it in the wrong direction. Phone companies are powerful corporations, with one interest: profit and control.

It's ok, everything will be fine. Maybe ISPs can start selling domains too.

 

[Michael M]

Why could the regulation not be one page?

What do the other 399 pages do?

Why does Google support it if it is for the little guy.

(extra credit: who wrote it?)

 

[mr-x]

@mr-x
@Michael M

I hope one day you do something that happens to be against what the ISP decided is their new policy... might not happen today, but I hope it does.

You're letting your emotions and fear get the better of you. Hoping for the situation you're arguing against.

 

[Michael M]

You said


When you say typical, it implies all the conversation of people vs corporations.. hence typical. Usually I'm not for heavy regulations.. in this case , some regulations.. yes

That was a direct reply to your post. I was saying you were boxing it into that argument by your statement.

 

[pokainc]

@mr-x Because technology evolved and they saw by greatly reducing cost, they were able to gain millions of new customers to offset it and be competitive.. that has nothing to do with the threat of censorship by giving control of the internet to a select few.


A stranger that gives candy to a kid might look like a positive thing, what a nice grandpa... the kid is happy he got a candy... but we all know where that could lead... Same with some positives of the ISP's ... they might seem harmless enough.. but give them a knife in their hands.. it's a different story.

Maybe a bit harsh.. but it's the world we live in.

 

[Michael M]

@mr-x Because technology evolved and they saw by greatly reducing cost, they were able to gain millions of new customer to offset it and be competitive.. that has nothing to do with the threat of censorship by giving control of the internet to a select few.

Sorry...
Corporations don't typically censor. Governments do.

And that not me drawing a broad statement. That is pretty much fact.

I think you have been hyped into believing the hype.

You will be fine in a week, month, year, and more. And you won't suffer any censorship from that hands of corporations anymore than you have in the past.

Look forward to this thread coming back up in some time and people realizing their world didn't end.

 

[pokainc]

@Michael M

How bout this theory... Ok I'll appoint mr. Pai who used to work for Verizon to remove regulation so you can make more money. BUT you will assist in providing info on your users and censor some anti-government sentiment.

Verizon: Ok, deal

Sometimes gov't and big corporations work hand it hand and it's all a smokescreen.

 

[Michael M]

@Michael M

How bout this theory... Ok I'll appoint mr. Pai who used to work for Verizon to remove regulation so you can make more money. BUT you will assist in providing info on your users and censor some anti-government sentiment.

Verizon: Ok, deal

Sometimes gov't and big corporations work hand it hand and it's all a smokescreen.

Agreed on the last part of your statement. That is why I am AGAINST Net "Neutrality".

For the rest please refer to this post:

You're letting your emotions and fear get the better of you. Hoping for the situation you're arguing against.

 

[mr-x]

@mr-x
A stranger that gives candy to a kid might look like a positive thing, what a nice grandpa... the kid is happy he got a candy... but we all know where that could lead...

Cavities? Tooth Decay? What kind of Grandpa did you have?

Same with some positives of the ISP's ... they might seem harmless enough.. but give the a knife in their hands.. it's a different story.

Maybe a bit harsh.. but it's the world we live in.

My ISP's knife is in a tool-box. They use use it fix the fiber-optic line to my house when some jerk doesn't call before he digs.

 

[pokainc]

Agreed on the last part of your statement. That is why I am AGAINST Net "Neutrality".

For the rest please refer to this post:

That makes no sense... by the gov't passing anti net neutrality regulations.. they are doing a favor for the ISP's... for nothing in return???? being a bit naive?