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http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=3630084753740478187&hl=en-GB

Please be patient and watch this full 30min. Telecom panel meeting which includes .mobi's CEO. It is one of the best I have seen. I feel it brings a lot of insight into many of the questions we have had about going mobile.

For the naysayers, you are right, fixed line growth and the .com will remain the strongest over any new technology. It is the foundation for the internet and simply bringing about a new TLD will not change that fact.

For the believers, the "mobile internet" is the greatest untapped market the telecoms have. This is why they have come together to form the mTLD; to have control over its growth both technologically and monetarily so that it will have the best chance to succeed. The .mobi is just one of the tools they are using to accomplish this goal.

I am a believer in new ideas. The worst that could happen is you invest in a name and build it out or hang on and try to sell it and both of these paths fail. But, what if you succeeded ....

"You will miss 100% of the shots you never take."
 
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cyberken13 said:
"You will miss 100% of the shots you never take."

i've always loved this quote! .. thanks for the link
 
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Yes, I do believe the people who own ONE WORDS / Premium domains will succeed. But can we please have some evidence from a THIRD PARTY source. Come on now, lets all admit any video/speech with the .mobi REGISTRY in it is quite BIASED.

Sam
 
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I think its safe to say that all the good .mobi domains were taking long ago. If you're just getting into it now, save your money and buy a .com...
 
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slipxaway said:
I think its safe to say that all the good .mobi domains were taking long ago. If you're just getting into it now, save your money and buy a .com...

sheeet...if you think all the good .mobi's are taken you certainly must know all the good .com's are gone as well. It's not so bad the reseller market though for certain extensions. IMHO...dot net is affordable and placed well for growth.
 
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labrocca said:
sheeet...if you think all the good .mobi's are taken you certainly must know all the good .com's are gone as well. It's not so bad the reseller market though for certain extensions. IMHO...dot net is affordable and placed well for growth.
IMO labrocca the hidden place is .ORG ;). Look at the tremendous end user potential... very ironic that LLL.org is quite low compared to .net, although .org IMO has much more end users.
 
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slipxaway said:
I think its safe to say that all the good .mobi domains were taking long ago. If you're just getting into it now, save your money and buy a .com...
Two nights ago, I turned a friend onto a find that I could easily have regged. But seeing that he is a mobi developer, I passed it on to him.

adon.mobi...four letters, two words Ad On...it's all in the branding and marketing.

On 2/22/07, I regged the following dictionary words as dot mobi:

BORROWED
CAPPED
CHEERED
CLOSES
CONFIRMS
CONSULTED
CURED
DECORATED
DEPOSITED
DIAGNOSED
DICTATED
DISPATCHED
ENJOYS
ENQUIRED
EN-ROUTE
EXCHANGED
FINED
HEADINGS
HEALED
IDLY
JAILED
KILOMETRES
LAUGHED
LITRES
MANAGES
MARRYING
METRES
NEARING
NEEDING
OWNING
PERFORMS
PHOTOGRAPHED
PICKED
PICKING
PROMISED
PROPOSED
PROSECUTED
RACED
RECOMMENDS
REMINDING
SEATED
SECLUDED
SHUFFLED
SIPPING
SOARED
SOWN
STAYED
TRIMMED
UNTO
UPGRADED

All have been parked at SedoPro and several are already getting hits, a few have had clicks. Nothing brag about, not million dollar domains, but strong dictionary words and searchable in their own right and good google returns and some with excellent OVT.

All have significant meaning to some specialties, some mean something to everyone and have many applications. Keyword selections for these, needless to say, were not difficult to choose.

Tonight I regged these dictionary words:

PRODUCED
DEPENDS
NEGOTIATING
CARRIED
STOCKED
COMMISSIONED
INTERVIEWING
CONDITIONING
REACHING

Again, hoping for the best. Good dictionary words, good google results, good OVT.

Some match up very well with the .mobi extension.
 
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Heh, amazing how I knew this would be a .mobi thread. :blink: Came through the homepage, latest post, and only saw the title.

I wish people would stop drawing lines in the sand over this. Not exactly a "healthy" thing to do in a community.
 
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DropLister said:
Heh, amazing how I knew this would be a .mobi thread. :blink: Came through the homepage, latest post, and only saw the title.

I wish people would stop drawing lines in the sand over this. Not exactly a "healthy" thing to do in a community.
I agree. There is room for everyone and all extensions or ccTLD's.

Healthy is having a diversified portfolio.

With about 3000 domains, I thought it would be wise to add some quality .mobi dictionary words.

Along with my .com, .net, .org, .info, .us, .ms. .eu (there's one that is sucking), a few.cn and .tw (gotta love Elvis.tw...rock n rollin in Taiwan), a few .de, a couple .es and some others I can't recall.

Sales are decent, parking revenue okay.

Now exploring IDN's. Got a few gems that I have turned down offers for.

A healthy forum is letting people know that if they spend the time looking for it, it might still be out there.

A healthy forum is contributing to the discussion and exchanging ideas.

I think if your just digging through the pile of diamonds to find the most perfect one of all, then your casting aside alot of potentially good gems.
 
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question ...

I have to ask you damitssam, how much of the panel interview did you watch? It was not a biased speech at all yet a discussion that certainly did not take it easy on the .mobi. He was outmanned by a group that often felt differently on several of his points. It was a third party news source sponsoring the group. I would not post it if were in any way fluff. That is why I liked it, the panel was realistic in its approach to the future of the mobile internet and its technology.

I'd like to clarify a few points you made early in another thread; There is a "fixed web", it refers to the internet accessed over wire or fiber optic. Also, from that same thread you asked for some evidence of the major backers of the .mobi initiative. Ericsson is one of those stated supporters and sat in on this panel which pointed them out as a member of the mTLD.

It's ok not to believe in an idea.
 
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Very informative interview. Thanks alot :)
 
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cyberken13 said:
There is a "fixed web", it refers to the internet accessed over wire or fiber optic.
There is only one web. Mobi is doing nothing to change that. How devices connect to the web is irrelevant to mobi. I use wireless connections with my laptop but it does not benefit from a .mobi site. If a blackberry connected to the internet via an ethernet cable, it still benefits from a .mobi site. The point of mobi is to provide a set of coding standards that is respectful of small, handheld internet access devices and subsequently provides branding that reflects those standards. How these small devices connect is irrelevant.
 
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I agree with your point scandiman, though I'm not sure of the connection you are drawing to my comment. "Fixed web" is a term I have heard before and it was also used in the panel group. Members on the panel referenced to wired connections as fixed and wireless as mobile. The same internet just different ways of getting connected. :)
 
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i see mobi as an attempt to make a little order out of chaos in the mobile space

by creating a set of standards that everyone can build from, i am sure it will develop upwards and move toward some of the richness of the fullscreen web and the full screen web will move down towards smaller and lighter and more secure devices

nokia, samsung, google and vodafone didn't create mobi because they wanted to, they did it because their customers weren't using the web and the reason they weren't using it was because it just didn't/doesn't work well on a phone

i used to use a palm pilot and hoped to access the web on it but it looked so bad and was so slow i gave up, i remember that experience very well which is why i jumped in with mobi

it my be a risk but the upside is bigger in this tld than any other i believe
 
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cyberken13 said:
I agree with your point scandiman, though I'm not sure of the connection you are drawing to my comment. "Fixed web" is a term I have heard before and it was also used in the panel group. Members on the panel referenced to wired connections as fixed and wireless as mobile. The same internet just different ways of getting connected. :)
Simply because the panelists use a term doesn't make it correct. Wired and wireless connectivity are used to access the same web. So there is no fixed web or mobile web, yet these vapor terms continue to be used and annoy the heck out of those who know better. If I install my tower PC into my car and connect to the internet via a hotspot, it hasn't become a mobile device. The real distinction is in the physical size of the devices being used to access the internet and has nothing to do with "wired connections as fixed and wireless as mobile".

I brought it up because it is important that we are clear about what this whole .mobi thing is. These kinds of false distinctions cloud discussion about the opportunity for mobi as the publics use of mobile internet devices continues to rise.

Mobi is all about branding and compliance with a set of coding standards that is friendly to small devices. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
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scandiman said:
How these small devices connect is irrelevant.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17172288/

"With more than 2.5 billion cell phones in use, and about 5 percent using speech recognition, we see an enormous untapped market," said the company's president, Steve Chambers.

2.5 billion is an irrelevant number?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17336038/

One-third of Net users go wireless
Pew Internet survey: 34-percent use Wi-Fi, cell phone networks


More irrelevant stats. Nearly 750 million people have accessed the internet from a wireless device. I used it as a free service on my PDA. I don't use it on my cell phone as it is a fee per service. To be competitive, they'll be giving away this service as an incentive by the end of the year.
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Where is the harm in embracing new technology and diversifying a domain portfolio?

I wish I had owned all prime LL.com and LLL.com but I don't and I won't. For these to sit in someone's portfolio is wonderful and I applaud them.

But let's develop some sites and kick start our portfolios....com, .net, .info, .org, .mobi, .us, .tv, .co.uk...

scandiman said:
Mobi is all about branding and compliance with a set of coding standards that is friendly to small devices. Nothing more, nothing less.
Nothing has said it any better and clearer than this statement right here.
 
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- http://www.vodafone.ro/en/personal/services-and-tariffs/internet-and-data/fixed-internet-access/
- http://www.rossdawsonblog.com/weblog/archives/2006/10/mobiles_leapfro.html


- www.ietf.org ...

"Network mobility support is concerned with managing the mobility of
an entire network. This arises when a router connecting a network to
the Internet dynamically changes its point of attachment to the fixed
infrastructure, thereby causing the reachability of the entire
network to be changed in relation to the fixed Internet topology.
Such a network is referred to as a mobile network."


I certainly don't want to argue symantics, so I set out to prove you right and in doing a simple search found more references to this term and variations on it used by well qualified sources that in their sum certainly qualifies the use of the term "fixed". Above are just a few examples that I found. My comments about this term are not reflections on the .mobi or its purpose.

As I said before I agree with you that there is only one internet. Terms like wired/wireless and fixed/mobile are refering to the same thing, just saying it in another way.

If I install my tower PC into my car and connect to the internet via a hotspot, it hasn't become a mobile device. The real distinction is in the physical size of the devices being used to access the internet and has nothing to do with "wired connections as fixed and wireless as mobile".

Actually, size does not matter in regards to wired vs. wireless. The real distinction (constant) is whether you are wired or not. The term "mobile" isn't limited to a cell phone or handheld devise. Just look it up in the dictionary. By definition, in your example, you have created a "mobile device"; not a mobile phone ;)
 
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Circa and cyberken, what I am trying to point out and probably doing a poor job of is that for mobi, size of devices is all that matters. Small devices with small screens are what benefit from mobi. The fact that these small devices are wireless devices is circumstantial and irrelevant for mobi. Using my earlier example of the tower PC in my car, while physically it is now mobile, it has no benefit from mobi. A less extreme and more common example is using my laptop at Starbucks, and again, there is no benefit from .mobi. Carriers and providers care about whether a user is connected via wires or not, but mobi doesn't care at all. Nothing in the mobi standards addresses the method of connecting to the internet, it is basically only about a set of coding standards for small screens and the resulting brand value.
 
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scandiman said:
Nothing in the mobi standards addresses the method of connecting to the internet, it is basically only about a set of coding standards for small screens and the resulting brand value.
You are exactly right and that is why many companies are willing to embrace it.

There is now a recognized need for dual formats of internet usage...a standard size as we know it being .com, .net, etc. And now the .mobi. The telecommunication giants (Verizon, Vodaphone) and cell phone makers and portable devices (samsung, sony, motorola) are the driving force behind this as they see the value added services to the end user.

The only way to escape this is for a standard website to offer a mobi compliant link on their site. But studies have shown that if users have to go to one site to get to another site and keep clicking and pecking their potential customer leaves along with the possible sale.

I believe in the internet and the capabilities and opportunities it brings. But I also now see the duality that is necessary to bring that same internet into a user format that the Big Boys want and the end user (the customer) wants and demands...portability, convenience, easability in use, and mobility. That is our society.

Even the telecomm and wireless companies have admitted they have neglected this market for too long. I was reading this morning that they (the wireless providers and communications giants) are now in agreement to band together to accelerate this modality before the likes of Google or Yahoo beat them to it. They now view their competition as not being themselves but the very industry leaders and search engine powers of the internet.

I'll do my best to find this link and post it. It has to do with the 3gsm summit in Spain going on or just finishing up.

Hey, I'll always look for a deal on the .com side of things. I don't want a handheld in my home to work on. But I will also monitor trends, technology news, check in on these forums, and continually educate myself on where the next market will be and who is doing what.

It may come as a surprise to most that even with 3000+/- domain names, I don't consider myself a squatter as I see the potential for developement in each and every one I own. I only have a few web sites up, I've parked most, redirected a few, and have even forwarded some to friends sites to boost their viewership.

I believe that what ever we can discuss and absorb, whether in agreement or not all the time, is worthwhile and hopefully a learning experience.

Does anyone think for one moment that I am going to dump my .com, net, info, and org and .us? Not a chance.

Does that mean I'm gonna go out an reg everything that comes along and every damn word and extension? Never.

Do I see opportunity to reach new markets elsewhere? Absolutely. Is .mobi one of them? Beyond a doubt. Is IDN one of them? Unquestionably.

In two months time, I have learned so much and taken away so much from these forums. I have gotten into chinese IDN, I have gotten into .mobi, I have learned Joomla, I am still learning Joomla and will learn Ruby programming. I won't sit still and I won't sit on my domain names forever.

There is opportunity to be had and markets to explore and ground breaking technology and capabilities on the near horizon. I want to be part of that and I do not want to say no to anything. I will explore, educate myself, debate amongst a few associates, and then when I have all the facts I will make a decision. Right or wrong, I'll make the decision for me that I feel is best for me at that very moment. I don't walk through life with blinders on or have tunnel vision.

I am in my 50's, have seen so much and done so much and been to so many places on this planet. I am perhaps a rare breed who finds the new techonology not only fascinating but enlightening and convenient. I am not a programmer and don't consider myself a geek. I am a former military person, advertising exec, and now in the medical profession. I guess with that varied backgrounds you can't go through life with tunnel vision. The term "blinders" comes from those panels that used to be mounted on horses near their eyes so they could not look to the left or the right and be distracted. And I am certainly not saying you or anyone else here is that way. I am merely pointing out that had I been that way, I would have missed so much.

But I see promise and a future in what we are discussing but most I see a need for this mobi format and a massive push to get it to market. I did not buy into it during the sunrise phase and late 2006. I did not believe in it then but I see the need for it. I got burned on the .eu fiasco and was reluctant to get into any new extension.

This is different. Give it a chance. I think the can and will co-exist very successfully as each will fill a need and a void.
 
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circa1850 said:
scandiman said:
Nothing in the mobi standards addresses the method of connecting to the internet, it is basically only about a set of coding standards for small screens and the resulting brand value.
You are exactly right and that is why many companies are willing to embrace it.
I venture that your advertising background helps you understand this. Branding really is the essence of mobi and is why the corporations have jumped on board.

Certainly any site with any tld can be made friendly to small devices, but the reality is that most are not. However, a mobi must be friendly and this branding will take off IMO. Marketers "get it" and see the potential for the branding of .mobi.
 
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