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Labeled as debate in The Break Room started by oldtimer, Aug 23, 2019.

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  1. J Sokol

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    Sydney, Australia is facing a disastrous threat from the nearby bush fires:

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/10/australia/bushfires-australia-intl-hnk/index.html

    Here's my favorite quote from the article:

    ' "If anyone tells you, 'This is part of a normal cycle' or 'We've had fires like this before', smile politely and walk away, because they don't know what they're talking about," Mullins wrote in a piece for The Sydney Morning Herald Monday.'

    Thoughts are with all our Australian friends and members.
     
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  2. oldtimer

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    Our thoughts need to be turned into actions if we really want to help Humanity and our Home Planet.

    I can see a future (hopefully soon) that thousands of AI controlled Robots will be helping to put fires out from the land and air and perhaps will even be taking some measures to prevent them from happening in the first place. I can also see a future in which the same Robots will be used by the Elites to hunt people down in order to eradicate those that they find to be undesirable. Whether AI is going to end up to be a force for good to help us or whether it’s going to be used to enslave or kill us is being determined right at this moment in the history of the World.

    IMO
     
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  3. J Sokol

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    That would be an interesting application of AI. I was a forest fire fighter years ago in Oregon and it's really hard, dangerous work. How nice (and probably way more efficient) it would be to use robots instead.

    And you're right, @oldtimer, AI certainly has the potential to be used for malevolent purposes. I don't think it will ever be an either/or proposition -- it will be a struggle between constructive and destructive forces -- as it always has been.
     
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  4. oldtimer

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    You might be right considering how things have been so far, but I personally believe that we now have arrived at a major crossroads in the History of the World which the fate of Mankind is going to be determined once and for all.

    IMO
     
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  5. JB Lions

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    I'd like to welcome @dna to the room. Doesn't believe in climate change, believes in a guy (Kary Mullis) that was drunk when he was notified of his award, known for his use of LSD and hallucinogens, believes in astrology etc.

    "In his 1998 humorous autobiography, Mullis expressed disagreement with the scientific evidence supporting climate change and ozone depletion, the evidence that HIV causes AIDS, and asserted his belief in astrology"

    and this winner:

    "Mullis claimed he had had an encounter with an extraterrestrial being, in which he denied the involvement of LSD. More specifically — he reported having close contact with a glowing green raccoon at his cabin in the woods of northern California around midnight one night in 1985."

    https://skepticalscience.com/skeptic_Kary_Mullis.htm
    https://skepticalscience.com/Kary_Mullis_arg.htm
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kary_Mullis
    https://www.latimes.com/obituaries/story/2019-08-13/kary-mullis-dna-nobel-prize

     
  6. oldtimer

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    Dramatic picture of the Harrington, Australia bush fires. There are currently 100,000 homes at risk!!

    Every year it's the same story in Australia and California... two of the most technologically advanced parts of the world.

    Don't these people, or should I say, the people that govern, learn anything from the previous years fires? Or is the general population being held back by laws that don't permit the clearing up of trees close to homes or unable to clear the underbrush?

    Seems like nowadays the easiest excuse for politicians or others in power is to blame climate change for their incompetence.
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    Venice, Italy, was once again inundated by flood waters yesterday. The local government immediately blamed climate change. No mention of the fact that about 20 years ago, they started, but never completed the building of enormous flood gates that would prevent this, mostly due to corruption and delays.


     
  8. oldtimer

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    Looks like those in charge in the World have been asleep at the wheel for the past 20 years and now the Global Warming effects are gradually catching up with everyone.

    IMO
     
  9. J Sokol

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  10. dna

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    I have lost interest with arguing with nitwits so I will just post a couple of Kari Mullis
    videos.


     
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  11. oldtimer

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    So you got tired of arguing in the Political thread, well welcome to the Environmental thread where all the smart people are. ;)
     
  12. JB Lions

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    Speaking of nitwits, nice videos but what do they have to do with climate change? Do you not get there are different branches of science? Or that he is speaking outside of his field?

    It's pushing 2020, the climate denying stuff is ridiculous. The anti-climate change scientists usually fall into 2 categories. Either paid off by fossil fuel companies or lost their damn mind in the later years of their lives. LSD trips and seeing glowing, green raccoons might fit.
     
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  13. oldtimer

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    Something I said earlier in this thread:

     
  14. dna

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    You obviously didn't watch the entire second video.
    And chemistry is his field. Maybe if climate scientists had learned some chemistry
    they wouldn't have convinced politicians to spend billions of dollars to eliminate
    harmless CFCs. The fact that climate scientists are now saying that the CFC
    ban stopped the ozone hole threat rather than admit that there was never
    any threat from the ozone hole just shows how dishonest they are.
    And the ozone hole is still floating above Antarctica, as it has been for
    millions of years.
     
  15. JB Lions

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    "Multiple studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals1 show that 97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree*: Climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities. In addition, most of the leading scientific organizations worldwide have issued public statements endorsing this position. The following is a partial list of these organizations, along with links to their published statements and a selection of related resources."

    Read up, try more legit sources:

    https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

    But the dude tripping on LSD seeing green, glowing raccoons, in another branch of science, he's the one we need to believe :facepalm:

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    Just keeping this one as proof of what a denier looks like.

     
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  16. dna

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    Obama forced NASA to hire these doomsday cult scientists to give them credibility.
    And they are taught a lie from their first day of doomsday science school.
    What are they going to do if they figure out the truth.
    Make tacos at Taco Bell?
     
  17. oldtimer

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    Well lets put what the scientists are saying aside for a minute, we all can see for ourselves all the once in a Century floods, fires, and hurricanes that are now happening much more frequently and are becoming more and more severe. I also saw a documentary on PBS (Public Broadcasting Service channel in the US) which compared the satellite photos from now to the ones taken a few years ago in which all of them were showing that the Glaciers and the permeate ice on Mountain tops are receding and in some cases have disappeared altogether. So you don't have to be a scientist to realize that something is out of whack.

    And add to that all the fish and all the coral reef eco systems that are disappearing in the oceans and all the contaminates that have gotten into the air, water, and soil which are finding their way into the food chain then you can easily come to your own conclusion without having to listen to any scientist that mankind has really messed up his own home Planet.

    IMO
     
  18. dna

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    Don't forget about volcanoes, asteroids crashing into our planet,
    intercontinental nuclear missiles from North Korea and Iran,
    the Ebola virus, cancer, terrorists, rabid squirrels and radioactive
    racoons. And check your house for radon and mold.
    And is your wife sneaking out to meet her boyfriend when
    you are at work?
     
  19. oldtimer

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    Those are problems that unfortunately are also on the list that we have to be concerned about (although I wish you leave your wife out of this as we don't want this discussions to become personal).

    The difference here is unlike the Global Warming there are not that many people who are denying that those other problems exist. Denying that Global Warming exists and that human activity had nothing to do with it is were the real danger lies, because when people refuse to take responsibility for what mankind has done to this Planet that automatically means that they are going to let all the damage and destruction continue until we are past the point of no return and that in my opinion is a betrayal of all the future generations that have to live with the consequences of the way that our Environmental problems are being handled by those who are in the position of power and influence around the World today.

    IMO
     
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  20. dna

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    But we are not scientists. Why do you believe Global Warming is caused by human activity.
    Can you differentiate a real scientist from a fraud? Are you listening to politicians?
    Kari Mullis has a Nobel Prize and Japan Prize in Chemistry. 20 Years ago he said this:

    "Politicians don't know anything about scientific things.
    They just want to look like they do.
    Somebody has to advise them.
    Who are those advisors?
    It's an important question because those people—who are
    always having to come up with imminent disasters
    that can be prevented by governmental projects—are
    manipulating you. They are parasites with degrees..."

    He also said the ozone hole scare was false also. And he has since been
    proven correct and climate scientists have now backed off from that claim,
    after we have spent billions of dollars to remove harmless CFC's from industry.
    The Democrats want to waste trillions of dollars on Global Warming and destroy
    our economy based on a lie!

    I wrote the following:
    https://www.powder.us/ozone/
     
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  21. oldtimer

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    This is my opinion on the subject from earlier in this thread:

    So lets say for the sake of the argument that the Ozone scare was false, what about all the other things that we can see with our own eyes that are getting worse as I had mentioned in my post earlier.

     
  22. dna

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    oldtimer said:
    This planet has been experiencing Climate Changes for millions of years even before there were any humans, but what is making the difference now is the fact that instead of those changes taking place over thousands or millions of years they are now happening within a couple of centuries or even within a few decades.
    ______________________________________________________

    Actually, a couple of centuries ago we had a "Little Ice Age"
    Wikipedia description of the "Little Ice Age" follows:

    "The Little Ice Age brought colder winters to parts of Europe and North America.
    Farms and villages in the Swiss Alps were destroyed by encroaching glaciers
    during the mid-17th century. Canals and rivers in Great Britain and the Netherlands
    were frequently frozen deeply enough to support ice skating and winter festivals.
    The first River Thames frost fair was in 1608 and the last in 1814; changes to
    the bridges and the addition of the Thames Embankment affected the river flow
    and depth, greatly diminishing the possibility of further freezes.
    Freezing of the Golden Horn and the southern section of the Bosphorus took
    place in 1622. In 1658, a Swedish army marched across the Great Belt to Denmark
    to attack Copenhagen. The winter of 1794–1795 was particularly harsh: the French
    invasion army under Pichegru was able to march on the frozen rivers of the
    Netherlands, and the Dutch fleet was locked in the ice in Den Helder harbour.

    Sea ice surrounding Iceland extended for miles in every direction, closing
    harbors to shipping. The population of Iceland fell by half, but that may have
    been caused by skeletal fluorosis after the eruption of Laki in 1783. Iceland also
    suffered failures of cereal crops and people moved away from a grain-based diet.
    The Norse colonies in Greenland starved and vanished by the early 15th century,
    as crops failed and livestock could not be maintained through increasingly harsh
    winters. Greenland was largely cut off by ice from 1410 to the 1720s.

    According to Elizabeth Ewan and Janay Nugent, "Famines in France 1693–94,
    Norway 1695–96 and Sweden 1696–97 claimed roughly 10 percent of the population
    of each country. In Estonia and Finland in 1696–97, losses have been estimated
    at a fifth and a third of the national populations, respectively."
    Viticulture disappeared from some northern regions and storms caused serious
    flooding and loss of life. Some of them resulted in permanent loss of large
    areas of land from the Danish, German, and Dutch coasts."
     
  23. oldtimer

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    All kinds of anomalies are possible when it comes to Nature, but the fact is that the Oceans are warming and even though we might have an exceptionally cold season but the overall trend still shows that Global Warming is getting worse, now if you want to debate what exactly is causing the increase in temperature and don't believe that it has anything to do with human activity that is a separate matter from denying that Global Warming exists altogether as all measurements show that the Warming trend is real.

    IMO
     
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    [​IMG]

    If it gets too hot, then women will have to cover up completely or the sun will scorch their bodies!
     
  25. oldtimer

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    You should replace the word "Women" with "Everyone" in order to be politically correct.

    In case you ever wondered why the Arabs wore so much clothes when walking in the Sahara it's because to protect their bodies from the Sun and more importantly from the heat in the air when it's over 120 degrees outside (that's almost 50 degrees Celsius). Same as firefighters who have to wear very heavy and thick uniforms for the same reasons although they probably have to deal with much more extreme situations, but it's the same principle.

    IMO
     
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