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The following is a post I just made at www.WebLoggers.Org. I've added to it below because I believe NamePros is just as affected - the text of the WebLoggers post applies to NamePros as well...maybe even more so. NamePros info added below.

From WebLoggers post:

dgridley said:
I'm not a big fan of Alexa as the rank can be so easily manipulated, but congrats!

I agree, though the higher you go in Alexa's ranking, the more accurate (per Alexa's own admission).

Just read more about how Alexa ranks and I'll bet WebLoggers.Org's rank is strongly under-reported because Alexa does not count Firefox and other non-IE browsers and Alexa only works on Windows.

This from Alexa (bold added by me to emphasize likely under-reporting of WebLoggers.Org's traffic):

Some Important Disclaimers
The traffic data are based on the set of Alexa users, which may not be a representative sample of the global Internet population. Known biases include (but are likely not limited to) the following:

* Our users are disproportionately likely to visit alexa.com, amazon.com and archive.org, and traffic to these sites may be substantially overcounted.
* The Alexa Toolbar works only with the Internet Explorer browser. Sites frequented mainly by users of other browsers will be undercounted. For example, the AOL/Netscape browser is not supported, which means that Alexa collects little data from AOL users, and our traffic to aol.com is likely lower than it would be for a more representative sample.
* The Alexa Toolbar works only on Windows operating systems. Although a large majority of the Internet population currently used Windows, traffic to any sites which are disproportionately visited by users of other operating systems will be undercounted.
* The rate of adoption of Alexa software in different parts of the world may vary widely due to advertising locality, language, and other geographic and cultural factors. For example, to some extent the prominence of Korean sites among our top-ranked sites reflects known high rates of general Internet usage in South Korea, but there may also be a disproportionate number of Korean Alexa users.
* In some cases traffic data may also be adversely affected by our "site" definitions. With tens of millions of hosts on the Internet, our automated procedures for determining which hosts are serving the "same" content may be incorrect and/or out-of-date. Similarly, the determinations of domains and home pages may not always be accurate. When these determinations change (as they do periodically), there may be sudden artificial changes in the Alexa traffic rankings for some sites as a consequence.
* The Alexa Toolbar turns itself off on secure pages (https:). Sites with secure page views will be under-represented in the Alexa traffic data.

In addition to the biases above, the Alexa user base is only a sample of the Internet population, and sites with relatively low traffic will not be accurately ranked by Alexa due to the statistical limitations of the sample. Alexa's data come from a large sample of several million Alexa Toolbar users; however, this is not large enough to accurately determine the rankings of sites with fewer than roughly 1,000 total monthly visitors. Generally, Traffic Rankings of 100,000+ should be regarded as not reliable because the amount of data we receive is not statistically significant. Conversely, the more traffic a site receives (the closer it gets to the number 1 position), the more reliable its Traffic Ranking becomes.

A disproportionate number of our visitors use non-IE browsers and non-Windows OSs.

Would'nt it be great if Alexa updated their technology?

Here's our latest Alexa ranks for WebLoggers.Org:

When................Rank...............Page Views.........Reach per million users
Today...............65,198............56.0...................6
1 wk. Avg. ........84,962............28.1...................6.5
3 mos. Avg. ......100,876...........14.3...................7.05
3 mos. Change...up 851,840.......up 1%................up 2,250 %

~~~end of WebLoggers post~~~

Traffic Rank for NamePros.com

When...............Rank..............Page Views........Reach per million users
Today.................1,807............17.6...................280
1 wk. Avg. ..........1,778............16.5...................305
3 mos. Avg. ........1,772............13.8....................303
3 mos. Change.....up 266..........down 6%...............up 26 %

Perhaps a mod or admin here can list the browser and OS choices of visitors per the logs and stats. NamePros, IMHO, is the most awesome board on the planet. There are some anime folks out there who would disagree, no doubt. NamePros combines fun, profit - business and social aspects in a fine community (with it's own currency!); I'd just like to see the reporting of an 'authority' like Alexa be more accurate.

Top 2,000 sites on the planet is nothing to sneeze at, but the more likely top 1,000 ranking is probably an order of magnitude more traffic than top 2,000.

Regards,
Keith
 
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The views expressed on this page by users and staff are their own, not those of NamePros.
NP Stats :

http://www.namepros.com/statistik.php

Yeah - I'm not a huge fan of Alexa Rankings myself , or at least do not think they are worth worrying about when considering value on a site/domain. They can easily be manipulated Even on higher ranked sites despite what Alexa says ...
 
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thanks...

Mark said:
NP Stats :

http://www.namepros.com/statistik.php

Yeah - I'm not a huge fan of Alexa Rankings myself , or at least do not think they are worth worrying about when considering value on a site/domain. They can easily be manipulated Even on higher ranked sites despite what Alexa says ...

Thank you very much for the link, Mark.

I agree that Alexa ranks can be manipulated, but disagree about manipulation on high-ranked sites.

Yes, a short-term burst could be manipulated on any site, high- or low-ranked.

A long-term manipulation is another thing.

I define manipulation in this regard as false inflation of the numbers. Paying for ads that result in real / interested traffic is not a false inflation, IMHO. Paying for desktop click-throughs for people who never really view the pages in question is a false manipulation...one that will not lead to a larger community or enhance participation or revenue in the long run.

A site like NamePros, as close as it is to the top of the Alexa ranks, would find it unprofitable to inflate the numbers (plus, it's just not something the folks here would do). Not to mention, there's just no way to compete at the high end of the scale, long-term. No one's going to 'manipulate' (falsely inflate) numbers that rival Google, Yahoo, MSN, and the like. Therefore I place a lot of credence in the Alexa rank NamePros has, with the exceptions of the serious browser and OS under-reporting limitations of Alexa's technology.

From the stats: Firefox (Phoenix) 17.25% (769714)

I'm actually surprised that the FireFox numbers aren't a lot higher here than for the web in general. FireFox is about 15 % of the total world wide. Given the technical and forward-looking nature of NPers, I thought the FireFox numbers would be much higher here.

Netscape numbers for NP are remarkably high. From the stats:
Netscape Navigator 36.73% (1638845)

The OS numbers for NamePros are relatively negligable (sp?) - about 2% non-windows - compared to what I thought they'd be (I certainly though Mac stats would be higher given the number of designers here).

Thanks again.

Regards,
Keith
 
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Here are the real stats for brower and OS. This is staight from Google Analytics which we've been running for a couple months now

Browsers:
IE 54.02% Firfox 40.78% Opera 2.73% Safari 1.12% Mozilla .75% Netscape .47%

OS:
Windows 96.7% Macintosh 2.05% Linux 1.09%

NamePros Alexa rank is relatively high because it is part of the domain industy, in which many users have the Alexa toolbar installed. There is another domain forum that has an even higher Alexa ranking, with less traffic than us, because more of their members and staff have the Alexa toolbar installed.

Even on top 5000 ranked sites, the numbers can be manipulated. I noticed a drop in our Alexa ranking when just I myself switched over to Firefox. Firefox is by far the superior browser, so I expect we'll lose more Alexa ranking as more members make the switch. No big shakes, imho!
 
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:o Thats more FireFox than I actually expected ....

Firefox is by far the superior browser

I'll remember that the next time You're in chat and Freeze up :laugh: - We'll leave that arguement for another time :guilty: - lol
 
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WebForging said:
Mark said:
NP Stats :

http://www.namepros.com/statistik.php

Yeah - I'm not a huge fan of Alexa Rankings myself , or at least do not think they are worth worrying about when considering value on a site/domain. They can easily be manipulated Even on higher ranked sites despite what Alexa says ...

Thank you very much for the link, Mark.

I agree that Alexa ranks can be manipulated, but disagree about manipulation on high-ranked sites.

Yes, a short-term burst could be manipulated on any site, high- or low-ranked.

A long-term manipulation is another thing.

I define manipulation in this regard as false inflation of the numbers. Paying for ads that result in real / interested traffic is not a false inflation, IMHO. Paying for desktop click-throughs for people who never really view the pages in question is a false manipulation...one that will not lead to a larger community or enhance participation or revenue in the long run.

A site like NamePros, as close as it is to the top of the Alexa ranks, would find it unprofitable to inflate the numbers (plus, it's just not something the folks here would do). Not to mention, there's just no way to compete at the high end of the scale, long-term. No one's going to 'manipulate' (falsely inflate) numbers that rival Google, Yahoo, MSN, and the like. Therefore I place a lot of credence in the Alexa rank NamePros has, with the exceptions of the serious browser and OS under-reporting limitations of Alexa's technology.

From the stats: Firefox (Phoenix) 17.25% (769714)

I'm actually surprised that the FireFox numbers aren't a lot higher here than for the web in general. FireFox is about 15 % of the total world wide. Given the technical and forward-looking nature of NPers, I thought the FireFox numbers would be much higher here.

Netscape numbers for NP are remarkably high. From the stats:
Netscape Navigator 36.73% (1638845)

The OS numbers for NamePros are relatively negligable (sp?) - about 2% non-windows - compared to what I thought they'd be (I certainly though Mac stats would be higher given the number of designers here).

Thanks again.

Regards,
Keith

You would be wrong there. For example, the following site: free20(dot)com, pays their "members" up to $6.00/CPM to add a banner code to their site, which contains free20's Alexa code, but doesn't show the ranking box to the viewer. Interestingly enough, if you do add the code to your web page, that banner code activates a Javascript which performs full searches on two different search engines, and the whole things happens without your knowledge because it is placed in 0-iframes. Neat, huh? Many of the webmasters in the niche market I belong to have banned this program and those webmasters who we have caught using it from advertising on our sites.

Cheating traffic ranking systems and PPC search engines is nothing new, and the methods of doing so become more advanced each time they are caught. IMO, traffic rankings are one of the lowest ranking things to take into consideration when looking at the value of the domain, as they can and are manipulated frequently by unscrupulous individuals who are looking to screw the system for as much as they can before they are caught.

JMO,

Renee
 
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Thanks for the feedback....

graywolf30 said:
You would be wrong there. For example, the following site: free20(dot)com, pays their "members" up to $6.00/CPM to add a banner code to their site, which contains free20's Alexa code, but doesn't show the ranking box to the viewer. Interestingly enough, if you do add the code to your web page, that banner code activates a Javascript which performs full searches on two different search engines, and the whole things happens without your knowledge because it is placed in 0-iframes. Neat, huh? Many of the webmasters in the niche market I belong to have banned this program and those webmasters who we have caught using it from advertising on our sites.

Cheating traffic ranking systems and PPC search engines is nothing new, and the methods of doing so become more advanced each time they are caught. IMO, traffic rankings are one of the lowest ranking things to take into consideration when looking at the value of the domain, as they can and are manipulated frequently by unscrupulous individuals who are looking to screw the system for as much as they can before they are caught.

JMO,

Renee


Good feedback, but it misses a big point: I seriously doubt NamePros is trying to screw with any rankings ~ and the rankings for NamePros are fantastic.

True, other sites might manipulate rankings for awhile - but they will get caught and frozen out sooner or later.

The higher the ranking the more likely it is just that - a reflection of great traffic.

Regards,
Keith
 
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