Name Drive & Sedo Competing For IDN's

[thegenius1]

(Not my Face Just the Non-Believers LOL)
I must Say N.D has been far ahead of the Curve For the IDNers , But today SEDO decided to Join the IDN Forum...

Hello hello,

I thought it was about time to join the IDN community.
We at Sedo have been working to get into the IDN scene, and as many of you know it has not been the quickest process.

Some of you have already realized that Sedo now accepts IDN domains for parking.
I was hesitant to post here until we had some useful information to report.

...so here it is:

it would appear that IDNs of Arabic, Russian, Chinese, and Japanese origin can all be successfully parked at Sedo.

The provided landing page should appear in the language of the IP, however should display results based on the domain.

Keywords are automatically provided for the domain, and we will be working on an optimization system for the future.


of course I am very interested in your feedback, and I hope that we can work together in the future and make IDN domains as succesful as possible

(I am still working on my account, so not signature yet)

-Bill

Now Parking IDN domains!
-Sedo
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Hi guys,

I've just come back from a week away to be told by tech that they feel they have achieved full implementation for our IDN parking. This has been touched on in a couple of threads, so I thought I'd gather it all up here. We've been at the forefront of pretty much everything that has gone on in IDN parking over the past 9 months and we're delighted to take this a step further.
There will no doubt be bugs and issues, but we are communicating very well with Google on this and things are looking good. We appreciate that IDN domains are the future rather than the present and we hope that the earnings you can acheive will only grow and grow.
Please let us know any feedback / comments / bugs you may have and we'll look into them as soon as possible.
You can get a faster answer by emailing me at [email protected]

Thank you for your many months of patience.

Ed

Now we are Just waiting for Uncle Bill To stop Buying IDN's Himself and Take a few minutes To Realese IE7 :tri: To count It All !

 

[movingconcierge]

Is the byproduct of the idn parking Foreign language ND pages?!? Like Chinese!!

I've got a name www.comicc.net that I had to build a mini site for because I had no conversion at ND...

I was watching 900-1000 uniques a month w/o a single click 'cause can't no one going to my site read English...At least I've had a few clicks with my minisite...

Please, oh please tell me that ND will put out a Chinese landing page!

 

[faisj]

Hi thegenius1,

I think IDN's are nice if you know the lang. etc.. But, even then
I think I would never buy one.

I think it has to do with the focus of the persons portoflio and
the fact no body i know uses IDN.

As such for me it is very hard to understand the IDN business is
"a gold rush" as you place it.

kind regards,

Faisj

 

[thegenius1]

I was watching 900-1000 uniques a month w/o a single click 'cause can't no one going to my site read English...At least I've had a few clicks with my minisite...

Please, oh please tell me that ND will put out a Chinese landing page!

Thats what im reporting that means you will get chinese Ads based on the IP location , so when people from china view your page they will see chinese Ads , And that also means my Portfolio of 200+ Japanese Real Estate terms with Ad bids Avg. $5.00 bucks a PoP are Now Live and ready to collect :hehe:

Got ND ? http://www.namedrive.com [MOD_EDIT]Affiliate/Referal links aren't allowed.[/MOD_EDIT]

Hi thegenius1,

I think IDN's are nice if you know the lang. etc.. But, even then
I think I would never buy one.

As such for me it is very hard to understand the IDN business is
"a gold rush" as you place it.

kind regards,

Faisj

There is No reason for me To reply to you because like you cliam even if you knew a foriegn Language you wouldnt buy one. I'll just show you some facts and let you convience yourself that you are missing out on Generic Words that pay Nice per click and Have Awesome Overture. Why do people think everbody speaks English ?, It just perplexes Me to no end.

Total number of users with European languages (excluding English): 276 million

Total number of users with Asian languages (excluding English): 241 million

Total number of Internet users

As of September 2005, approximately 960 million people use the Internet according to Internet World Stats.

Language Users (millions)
English 287.5
Chinese 102.6 <<<< They are 2 billion strong
Japanese 69.7
Spanish 65.6
German 52.9
Korean 29.9
French 28.0
Portuguese 25.7
Italian 24.3
Russian 18.5
Malay 13.6
Dutch 13.5
Arabic 10.5
Polish 9.5
Swedish 7.9
Turkish 5.8
Thai 4.9
Czech 4.2
Hebrew 3.8
Danish 3.5
Persian 3.4
Catalan 2.9
Norwegian 2.9
Finnish 2.8
Greek 2.7
Romanian 2.4
Vietnamese 2.2
Hungarian 1.7
Slovak 1.2
Serbo-Croatian 1.0
Ukrainian 0.9
Slovenian 0.8
Icelandic 0.2
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[faisj]

Thats what im reporting that means you will get chinese Ads based on the IP location , so when people from china view your page they will see chinese Ads , And that also means my Portfolio of 200+ Japanese Real Estate terms with Ad bids Avg. $5.00 bucks a PoP are Now Live and ready to collect :hehe:

Got ND ? http://www.namedrive.com [MOD_EDIT]Affiliate/Referal links aren't allowed.[/MOD_EDIT]

There is No reason for me To reply to you because like you cliam even if you knew a foriegn Language you wouldnt buy one. I'll just show you some facts and let you conviece yourself that you are missing out on Generic Words that pay Nice per click and Have Awesome Overture. Why do people think everbody speaks English ?, It just perplexes Me to no end.

Total number of users with European languages (excluding English): 276 million

Total number of users with Asian languages (excluding English): 241 million

Total number of Internet users

As of September 2005, approximately 960 million people use the Internet according to Internet World Stats.

Language Users (millions)
English 287.5
Chinese 102.6 <<<< They are 2 billion strong
Japanese 69.7
Spanish 65.6
German 52.9
Korean 29.9
French 28.0
Portuguese 25.7
Italian 24.3
Russian 18.5
Malay 13.6
Dutch 13.5
Arabic 10.5
Polish 9.5
Swedish 7.9
Turkish 5.8
Thai 4.9
Czech 4.2
Hebrew 3.8
Danish 3.5
Persian 3.4
Catalan 2.9
Norwegian 2.9
Finnish 2.8
Greek 2.7
Romanian 2.4
Vietnamese 2.2
Hungarian 1.7
Slovak 1.2
Serbo-Croatian 1.0
Ukrainian 0.9
Slovenian 0.8
Icelandic 0.2
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Please, do not see my post as an attack on your thread!
I just stated my opinion and perhaps also the opinion of some other people.

Its just very hard to understand the power and traffic of an IDN.

and ps. I am from Holland and speak Dutch (native)
(I also speak a bit of hindi, German, English and I am also studying French.)

 

[thegenius1]

Please, do not see my post as an attack on your thread!
I just stated my opinion and perhaps also the opinion of some other people.

Its just very hard to understand the power and traffic of an IDN.

and ps. I am from Holland and speak Dutch

Please Save your opinions , I just State Facts ... If you are not interested in IDN's i just think you shouldnt Comment

 

[faisj]

Please Save your opinions , I just State Facts ... If you are not interested in IDN's i just think you shouldnt Comment

Dear thegenius1,

This is an open discussion board where I place my opinions
(and many others do the same) as only then we can learn from each other.

Again please, do not see my post as a attack or anything like that...

 

[Jo]

I moved my two russian names from Namedrive (0 clicks maybe 2 views after a few months) and parked them at Sedo about a week ago when I got the email from Sedo. I have had 18 views and 1 click on the one russian .com and 1 view and 0 clicks on the other .com. So they are doing better at Sedo, so far. It stated in the email that you can only park the IDN names - they are NOT listed for sale. I guess that is coming in the future.

 

[B33R]

Dear thegenius1,

This is an open discussion board where I place my opinions
(and many others do the same) as only then we can learn from each other.

Again please, do not see my post as a attack or anything like that...

I'm with faisj on this. Everyone has different views, we can all express them.

Personally, I know absolutely no Russian, Chinese, Japanese, Arabic or any other language that uses IDNs. I'm not even sure why I'd want to target those areas. I have absolutely no interest in doing something I clearly know nothing about.

Unless I could get the equivalent of bank.com or loans or something short and popular like that, I don't really see the point. There's still a huge amount of .coms and .infos available and more dropping every day. They could keep me busy until I reach my grave and far beyond!

Good luck everyone with your IDN's but they're not for me. There's still too many great .coms and .infos around to make me move to IDNs.

 

[dottvfan]

There will definitely be merit in good generic (commerce term) IDN's, just as there is for equivalent Anglicized domain names. My only concern is that a few greedy Westerners might ruin their potential by regging thousands of IDN's and thus stymying their development as a whole (which is happening). If IDN's are abused it will be the ultimate form of cybersquatting and it will be interesting to see how ICANN deal with the worst offenders.

Other than that they have huge potential and I hope that Westerners who reg them, reg only a few, look for business partners in the relevant countries (for joint venture purposes) and don't just "sit" on them.

There is little too much arrogance on both sides of this argument - not talking about this thread - just generally - and a little moderation might be well advised.

Otherwise good luck to you and, as always, just my 1c opinion.

DOTTVFAN

[Incidentally I am looking for business partners for the IDN's I do have (see my signature - particularly 漫画.tv and 음악.tv). So, if you are native to the relevant country, experienced in the relevant industry and would like the opportunity to be part of the commercialisation of those domains please PM me to express your interest.]

 

[peaches017]

thegenius1 --

I've talked to you a few times before about IDN's, and i own a few myself.

I do not disagree with you about the merit of IDN's and the potential value they hold. However, your constant insistance of you being correct, all of us "missing the idn boat," etc. is what causes the 'turmoil' you speak of.

-Peaches

 

[thegenius1]

thegenius1 --

I've talked to you a few times before about IDN's, and i own a few myself.

I do not disagree with you about the merit of IDN's and the potential value they hold. However, your constant insistance of you being correct, all of us "missing the idn boat," etc. is what causes the 'turmoil' you speak of.

-Peaches

Peaches i have went through alot of bashing when dealing with IDN's so i aplogize if i come across happy and excited, but on the other hand i only want people to jump on the boat and not miss it , thats why i use that expression , Then boat has not left yet thats my point , im not trying to rub anything in because it hasnt left yet.

 

[Domainate.com]

If you are missing out on the Last Huge Gold Rush for the Internet i suggest you check out my Sig and Catch up or this will be you and this will be me all the way to the Bank :hehe:

Because if we're not making money on IDN names, we're apparently not making money. Glad you seem to think that belittling what everyone else does in this business is a way to get us all to "see the light". :zzz:

For the record, I DO agree that there is much money to be made with IDNs and other foreign language names. However, you have to understand people's stigma towards IDNs when dozens and dozens of IDN sellers are trying to pass their IDNs off as real letter names on eBay, the Bazaar, and other places. I don't mind people having stigma towards typos too...more for me to add on to my growing 5-figure parking income.

Also, I'm rather surprised Sedo wasn't the first one allowing IDN parking since they are so international-friendly with everything else. I actually thought they already allowed it...I guess it was just listing of the names and not parking.

 

[Bramiozo]

Hi thegenius1,

I think IDN's are nice if you know the lang. etc.. But, even then
I think I would never buy one.

I think it has to do with the focus of the persons portoflio and
the fact no body i know uses IDN.

As such for me it is very hard to understand the IDN business is
"a gold rush" as you place it.

kind regards,

Faisj

Sounds like a lack of insight(imo),dare and entrepreunering gut,what are you going to do; wait untill it is used and then frantically try to grab a few crappy combo's, is that your masterplan ?!

To all you guys, you are SPECULATORS, in terms of speculation the money is always in new and upcoming markets, if you have been a responsible (and smart) dn-speculator you must have learned about IDN's as a NEW market, you should be curious about whether it will form a good investment. Knowing nothing about these markets is a very shitty reason not to come in and learn a bit. I know the Dutch are very conservative when it comes to IDN's since we (still) seem to relate it solely to phishing and spamming but come on, I have been watching the dutch fora and I've seen nothing on IDN's, how's that for progressiveness.

I don't think that IDN's are at present a real market, the aftermarket is in place but it can hardly be called live and kicking, it's development time now, end user sales and usage (of non-german idn's ) will be months away (if it occurs at all).
In september/october ICANN will have finished the dname-testbed for idn's, the succes and failure of (our) idn's very much depends on the outcome of that testbed.

If genius says it's a "goldrush" he probably refers to the ideal situation in which idn's succeed completely in which case top-idn's are top-dn's.

 

[faisj]

Sounds like a lack of insight(imo),dare and entrepreunering gut,what are you going to do; wait untill it is used and then frantically try to grab a few crappy combo's, is that your masterplan ?!

I am very suprised to read this here on Namepros.

But, for your information Sir!
I am the Chairman and Managing Director of Evibe The Netherlands

Domain related:
I own 3000+ domain names and I think I do know the market a bit after
2 years. ( Do note: I see myself as a life time learner )

I think its unfair and unproffesional to call someone:

Sounds like a lack of insight(imo),dare and entrepreunering gut

without doing any research.

If someone does not agree with you or does not want to enter that segment
of the market it does not say anything about his insight, dare and entrepreunering gut!

I do have the right to post here as I do want to learn, discuss and talk
about this market segment. I want to know what attract people.
If I don't want to "get on the boat" well thats my choice to make.

 

[DropLister]

I dont know what the Mad face is about, ever see that commercial "when banks compete you win" same thing applies here. Competition amoung ppc providers is only going to better the service you receive.

 

[thegenius1]

I dont know what the Mad face is about, ever see that commercial "when banks compete you win" same thing applies here. Competition amoung ppc providers is only going to better the service you receive.

I agree droplister this was just a blow to the non believers re-read the very top , " Name Drive & Sedo Competing For IDN's ,
(Not my Face Just the Non-Believers LOL) "

I am very excited about the competition and the great advances happening this week

:talk: Me telling family and friends

 

[B33R]

I agree droplister this was just a blow to the non believers re-read the very top

OK, I've searched through this thread and many others and have yet to see any of these so called "non believers" you are talking about...

Do you think people who choose not to invest in IDN's, because they don't know them or decide for some other reason IDN's are not for them, are "non believers"?
Seriously no one in this thread, or any of the others I've looked at, say that IDN's suck or they will fail. That is a true "non believer".

People who choose not to buy into IDN's are not "non believers", they make a decision that IDNs are not for them, in the same way that some people decide wii, blooks, LLL's or adult domains are not for them.

All we ask is that you respect our decision not to buy IDN's, the same as we respect your decision to buy IDN's or any other area of domains.

As -RJ- said on IDNF:

Investing in something you don't understand is a great way to lose money. An IDN isn't valuable just because it's an IDN. There's ten of thousands of English words that aren't even worth reg fee. IDN's in any language are not different in that regard. Invest in good domains and you'll do well.

It is a wise man who invests in IDN's and an even wiser man who decides he knows diddleysquat about IDN's and that he'd be better to invest in something he does know.

Little chinese proverb for you there. :D

 

[thegenius1]

OK, I've searched through this thread and many others and have yet to see any of these so called "non believers" you are talking about...
Do you think people who choose not to invest in IDN's, because they don't know them or decide for some other reason IDN's are not for them, are "non believers"?
Seriously no one in this thread, or any of the others I've looked at, say that IDN's suck or they will fail. That is a true "non believer".

B33R , please stop posting the same thing , I respect your opinion and everbody elses, But i dont have to agree with everbodys Opinion , Your are not one of the hostile haters, you simply say its not for you for some reasons and that is cool with me , However there are so many other people on this forum espeacially in chat that have a Chip on their shoulder about IDN's , So if you think that people are not saying what you have mentioned above please think again or Go in chat and ask the consesus and see how many people say they Hate IDN's for no Reason , Im taking shots at them not at people like you that are wishing us the best of luck , So if i was you i wouldnt keep interjecting defending people that really feal that way

Without even going that far you can take a look at the IDN or Not Poll before you head to WW3 in the chatroom

 

[B33R]

So why are you posting the same thing over and over again in threads that are full of your supporters?

If anything, you're damaging your cause by continually referring to the "haters".

Go somewhere where there is non believers and try to convince them, calmly. There is little point in posting to haters in a thread that has none.