.tv My regged .tv name will be revoked without any reason! Help!!!

[fleaking]

I just got this email from Verisign...........

Dear Lin,

Please be advised that your registration to the domain name Pets.tv has been revoked because the domain name was not available for registration. Your registration fee will be refunded. We regret any inconvenience this may cause.

Best Regards,

Customer Service
VeriSign, Inc
www.verisign.com
1 703.925.6999
1 703.421.5828 Fax

I almost fainted when I received this email because I spent almost all of my savings to buy it for my website plan.
Honestly the domain name pets.tv is a standard reg fee one, that's why I bought it from the former owner, I think most of you know that there are still lots of good domains that were not premium priced and were registered by people at standard reg fees, pets.tv is just one of them but it is maybe the TOP one...........

can anyone tell me what I should do right now??
I am still shaking with anger but I don't know what I can do right now......

I need your Help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am about to suicide due to lossing of this domain name.............

 

[equity78]

Sharp right but he did not I am just trying to stick to this situation not every hypothetical. Hypothetically you are Correct

NO prob Dream I agree that is totally screwed up

 

[johntv]

Right not everyone has a renewal clause and that is irrelevant for this conversation PETS.tv was a new reg

Hi Raymond, I agree with you that for pets.tv the renewal clause does not matter at all.

The way Versign is now handling pets.tv can be an example of how they can act in the (near) future and, according to the contract, also with renewals.

That makes it relevant to discuss in my opinion. It kind of scares me how fast and with only little communication they handle this, all because it's in the contract.

 

[equity78]

John I did not mean it was irrelevant to discuss I was trying to keep the PETS.tv thread on the PETS.tv situation

 

[johntv]

John I did not mean it was irrelevant to discuss I was trying to keep the PETS.tv thread on the PETS.tv situation

Hi Ray, okay, I understand.

BTW, the way you are helping Fleaking on this issue with all your contacts is really great, I am sure everyone here appreciates that much

The outcome of this issue can have impact on all of us.

 

[antonis12]

Carlton they know the whois shows that when I spoke to Verisign they were well aware. THe key is the 30 Days when I regged LCD.tv for regualr fee that's what John Berryhill told me I had to have pass 30 days. Because for ANY reason they can cancel and everyone agrees to those Terms and conditions the reg does not go through without it

If I have understood this thread, this is what has happened:

1. Pets.tv was previously non-premium

2. Pets.tv dropped as non premium (BTW, the undiscussed stupid decision here)

3. Person A regged Pets.tv as soon as it dropped BUT Verisign/Enom wanted to re-classify it as premium since it dropped

4. While Verisign was doing the reclassification, Person A sold to Fleaking

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First, my sympathies to Fleaking - this is a very strange, difficult and painful situation for him.

Now, my understanding of the facts above is correct, then I think the implications are as follows:

1. You should not trust any new non-premium reg for 30 days and probably should not brag publicly (e.g. here) about the great non-premium reg you got

2. You should not acquire any names in the secondary market within 30 days of registration

3. If it is correct that Enom asks for the 30 day period both at initial reg and at renewal, but GoDaddy does it only at initial reg, then you should only use GoDaddy for non premium regs. Time to reread those contracts.

4. While I appreciate that Verisign has the right to reclassify non-premium drops (as you can see, they did not try to reclassify pets.tv while it was regged), they need to get their systems in shape to do the reclassification before the drop. Otherwise, they risk very unfortunate situations like this occuring.

5. It will be interesting to see if Enom attempts to apply 30 day service renewal clause to our premiums which will be held at Enom. I don't see how they could claim to honor the renewal pricing while keeping a clause like that in there and it is definitely an area to lobby at as a group. This clause has to be eliminated on renewal for it to be worthwhile to develop on this extension.

Please let me know if I have understood the situation correctly and my thoughts are with you fleaking.

 

[Argos]

Really a bad point for Verisign in absence of specific reason why Verisign takes the name back see how just 1 email could affect the promotional relaunch of the extension and does reinforce once again the existing suspicion on .tv registration and renewal issues. Not a good publicity at all, a pity. Fleaking, the .tv forum is a one voice community, you have our support, keep us updated please. Equity, thank you for your strong involvement in this matter.

 

[antonis12]

see how just 1 email could affect the promotional relaunch of the extension and does reinforce once again the existing suspicion on .tv registration and renewal issues. Not a good publicity at all, a pity. .

You would think after all the difficulties they have been through with .tv that they would have learned the lesson that by providing clear, solid and fair comunication and rights for registrants, the extension will get a lot further than by trying to keep all the options open for the registry.

The reason to do this is not to be "nice" to us in any way. They will ultimately make much more money by ensuring that people view the platform as a stable foundation for development and then actually use it.

I hope this is just them handling the transition clumsily.

 

[SKG]

I feel like there are some missing pieces here to what has happened. Something happened between 12/2 and 12/5. If in fact Verisign reassigned pets.tv into a premium how was a premium sold during the current blackout period to petstv.com? I have a strong suspicion that the person who caught the drop may or may not have and the service he/she used did something incorrectly. I also think that allowing the person to sell the domain under 60 days was also an issue. Fleaking you may have bought a domain the seller never really had........

On another note, the registration of pets.tv is currently showing Dec 5th. If this is true then that means premiums are being sold but to whomever they want while telling the masses they have to wait.

 

[antonis12]

On another note, the registration of pets.tv is currently showing Dec 5th. If this is true then that means premiums are being sold but to whomever they want while telling the masses they have to wait.

possibly preparing video channel partners for a launch?

 

[reesemley]

Whois Server Version 1.0

Domain names can now be registered with many different competing registrars.
Go to http://registrar.verisign-grs.com/whois/ for detailed information.

Domain Name: PETS.TV
Registrar: TV CORPORATION
Whois Server: whois.www.tv
Referral URL: http://www.tv
Name Server: No nameserver
Status: SERVER-RENEW-PROHIBITED
Status: SERVER-XFER-PROHIBITED
Status: SERVER-DELETE-PROHIBITED
Status: SERVER-UPDATE-PROHIBITED
Updated Date: 22-dec-2006
Creation Date: 22-dec-2006
Expiration Date: 22-dec-2007


>>> Last update of whois database: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 08:04:47 EST <<<

 

[Mark]

This is Terrible .... If this is not a case of a "Reserved" domain for TM reasons ... They are doing this for simple GREED ? and Because they Can ?

This makes me Direct my Money toward extensions where the Holding / Controlling Registrars can't classify something as "Premium" ..... The Whole setup this way just plain Sucks !

 

[Kate]

I am not into .tv names but I hate differential pricing.
And I would hate to see the practice spread to other TLDs, including .com run by the same Verisign

 

[namewaiter]

just terrible, hard to see how they have any right when enom is actually the registrar, i hope things work out for you fleaking!

 

[fleaking]

Hello everyone!!
I appreciate your replies and comments!!!
I just finished my home work today, and it's mid-night here, I am tired so I have to go to sleep right away, I will response you tomorrow.

thanks again!!

(PS. I will post the reponse from VeriSign if I get it tomorrow)

just found that the whois has been changed to petstv.com............ damn.....
I totally lost it........

http://www.whois365.com/domain/pets.tv

 

[equity78]

Mark you are absolutely right although we don't know what happened and Verisign never claimed they reclassified. What they have done I have seen happen before
You go to www.tv Name avail reg the domain get an email two days later you regged *****.tv We are sorry we have to cancel this reg and refund you as this name was not available. I think that is a complete JOKE and incompetence I regged Inter.tv For $100 premium I told argos about this couple days letter I got an email like Fleaking got it was already regged. The crazier thing was it still showed available after that and I told them and they never fixed. IMO Petstv.com contacted Verisign that they wanted PETS.tv when it dropped and there was a glitch that made it available they probably siad to Verisign what's going on and they used the Standard 30 day window to cancel the registration. Let me also say I believe the petstv.com would have made this a udrp if they di not get the domain so either way this was going to be a screwy situation for the registrant. Now Fleaking should get back what he paid the initial registrant and them get their $20 back and at least everyone is not out any money just time and aggravation.


TO Johntv and Argos you are quite welcome you are the few that ever appreciate anything and you are the Charter .tv subforum members ty

 

[RPK]

Wow, I'm just catching up on all of this. I also want to try and understand all of our situations and not just with Pets.tv.

Lets say I take one of my .tv domains. (Does it make a difference if it is a premium or a regualr reg?)

I develop it and put $100k into it. The site is now making me $500k a year. After 2 years I decide to renew it. 10 days later I am informed that Verisign or Enom or whoever is behind this decides that they want the 500,000 viewers a week that I built up and so they refund me my $50.00 - $500.00 back and say thanks, but the name is now ours.

Can this really happen?

Fleaking, we've talked before and I feel really bad for you. What was written in the contract that you used to purchase the domain? Was there a contract? It could be that you were scammed. The guy who had it may have known that he would not be able to hold on to it and quickly moved it to you for a quick payoff. If you paid anything less then $10k for this domain then that is probably what happened.

Any real domainer knows that this domain would be worth anywhere from $25k to $250k or more.

In anycase I fully back you and wish you the best of luck. I am also a little more nervous for all of us.

 

[equity78]

Searching in every agreement it says that so in effect technically can you reg a domain ( ANY EXT ) and in 30 days it be refunded ? yes Now the renewal policy seems to be unique to ENOM now we don't know why its there and need to find out I don't think the renewal would ever be used IMO I think it is there as language in a contract as a cover your ( ! ) in case something strange happens.

 

[SKG]

EQ, would it be possible if you could invite on the attorneys you mentioned into this conversation? It maybe very helpful.

 

[RPK]

So besides my premiums, most of my .tv reges are with GoDaddy or CenturyDomains, a GoDaddy Affiliate site so it seems I should be ok. Thanks for the quick reply Equity!

 

[equity78]

Searching you are ok and I do not think ENOM would use the renewal for an example you built DutchChannel.tv into a popular site and you renew it after a year and they say we are cancelling the reg You would have history to show I think the renewal line is there just as contract verbage in case a domain was claimed to have been stolen and renewed they have a window. This IMO Only MINE I am speaking of is a Unique situation.

SKG I could try I know they both very busy Jberryhill has not logged on here in over a month