.tv My regged .tv name will be revoked without any reason! Help!!!

[fleaking]

I just got this email from Verisign...........

Dear Lin,

Please be advised that your registration to the domain name Pets.tv has been revoked because the domain name was not available for registration. Your registration fee will be refunded. We regret any inconvenience this may cause.

Best Regards,

Customer Service
VeriSign, Inc
www.verisign.com
1 703.925.6999
1 703.421.5828 Fax

I almost fainted when I received this email because I spent almost all of my savings to buy it for my website plan.
Honestly the domain name pets.tv is a standard reg fee one, that's why I bought it from the former owner, I think most of you know that there are still lots of good domains that were not premium priced and were registered by people at standard reg fees, pets.tv is just one of them but it is maybe the TOP one...........

can anyone tell me what I should do right now??
I am still shaking with anger but I don't know what I can do right now......

I need your Help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am about to suicide due to lossing of this domain name.............

 

[equity78]

That's what it means

This is not rocket science standard verbage in any agreement Terms and Conditions just because 99% of all domainers don't read them means nothing

 

[lambda]

And it is the same for any extension?

Can you please provide a link to the .com version (if available)?

Thanks.

 

[equity78]

That was not a link to anyone extension Dream each registrar does it differently that was enoms just by logging in you agree to that. Godaddy tells you to check the UNiversal Service Agreement they all do it differently but they all have it it is not EXTENSION specific.

Sharp you are 100 % right weird for renewals and probaly never comes up it is there to cover the REGISTRARS ( ! )

and lets be clear this was a fresh reg by a registrant who sold to Fleaking in the first 30 days and Fleaking you are a member here thee Place for .tv and I am rooting for you I have been working on this for you since 6 pm eastern yesterday and have not been to bed yet but I am not going to mislead you most likely they can do this because of the terms of registration. BUT I would speak to John BerryHill pm him here ask his advice.

 

[johntv]

elect to discontinue providing Service(s) to you for any reason within 30 days of a Service initiation or a Service renewal.

Fleaking, I wish you good luck, but according to the contract it will be tough. Although the name is worth it to have it checked by a lawyer. Some time ago I had contacted Ari Goldberger (www.esqwire.com) and he was fast in respons, helpful and I have not seen a bill, you might want to check him out.

Maybe you can contact Verisign and ask for a compensation in form of a different premium domain name.

Versign should understand that, although they might be on the right, it will hurt their reputation to just refund a $20 fee compared to the 'mess up' and confusion with this name.

Being Versign (Enom) it wouldn't hurt to show you some decent compensation in form of, for example, a nice premium domain name. If they solve this problem nicely, they can do some damage control on their side.

BTW, one thing is bothering me in this contract, it's the last 4 words:

"or a Service renewal"

This looks like that after renewing a name, they can terminate the contract and take the name away within 30 days after the renewal is paid.

As lot of people here (including me) have nice names with major discounts.

 

[equity78]

Right Johntv Ari or John berryhill email [email protected] Fleaking he has not been on NP for over a month

Johntv Verisign did not transact business with Fleaking on this domain the original registrant did Fleaking needs to get back from them whatever he paid

 

[Zilla]

the 30-days risk is really confuse, is that means even google may lose google.com if the verisign want keep it? internet need a revolution..

 

[lambda]

This is an extract of Go Daddy's Software Universal Terms of Service:

Go Daddy reserves the right to terminate Services if Your usage of the Services results in, or is the subject of, legal action or threatened legal action, against Go Daddy or any of its affiliates or partners, without consideration for whether such legal action or threatened legal action is eventually determined to be with or without merit. Go Daddy may review every account for excessive space and bandwidth utilization and to terminate or apply additional fees to those accounts that exceed allowed levels.

Except as set forth below, Go Daddy may also cancel Your use of the Services, after thirty (30) days, if You are using the Services, as determined by Go Daddy in its sole discretion, in association with spam or morally objectionable activities. Morally objectionable activities will include, but not be limited to: activities designed to defame, embarrass, harm, abuse, threaten, slander or harass third parties; activities prohibited by the laws of the United States and/or foreign territories in which You conduct business; activities designed to encourage unlawful behavior by others, such as hate crimes, terrorism and child pornography; activities that are tortuous, vulgar, obscene, invasive of the privacy of a third party, racially, ethnically, or otherwise objectionable; activities designed to impersonate the identity of a third party; illegal access to other computers or networks (i.e., hacking); distribution of Internet viruses or similar destructive activities; and activities designed to harm or use unethically minors in any way.

O.K., The services maybe include 'renew services", but they mention reasons for the termination...

It is quite different from Enom's "for any reason"

 

[equity78]

NO DREAM not true

http://www.godaddy.com/gdshop/legal_agreements/show_doc.asp?se=+&pageid=REG_SA THis is th edomain registration agreement not Universal

You agree that Go Daddy, in its sole discretion and without liability to You, may refuse to accept the registration of any domain name. Go Daddy also may in its sole discretion and without liability to You delete the registration of any domain name during the first thirty (30) days after registration has taken place.sole discretion is just like any

If after 30 days there is a reason
Go Daddy may also cancel the registration of a domain name, after thirty (30) days, if that name is being used, as determined by Go Daddy in its sole discretion, in association with spam or morally objectionable activities. Morally objectionable activities will include, but not be limited to: activities designed to defame, embarrass, harm, abuse, threaten, slander or harass third parties; activities prohibited by the laws of the United States and/or foreign territories in which You conduct business; activities designed to encourage unlawful behavior by others, such as hate crimes, terrorism and child pornography; activities that are tortious, vulgar, obscene, invasive of the privacy of a third party, racially, ethnically, or otherwise objectionable; activities designed to impersonate the identity of a third party; and activities designed to harm or use unethically minors in any way. In the event Go Daddy refuses a registration or deletes an existing registration during the first thirty (30) days after registration, You will receive a refund of any fees paid to Go Daddy in connection with the registration either being canceled or refused. In the event Go Daddy deletes the registration of a domain name being used in association with spam or morally objectionable activities, no refund will be issued.

 

[equity78]

Right not everyone has a renewal clause and that is irrelevant for this conversation PETS.tv was a new reg

 

[lambda]

I agree with you for the registration, and yes, this post is about a name registered less than 30 days ago, but sorry for that, i was focused on the renew-thing only.

If necessary, I will create a specific subject about these damn renewal policies

Fleaking, I wish you good luck, and Equity, Thank you for your assistance to our .TV community.

Pascal

 

[equity78]

Sharp right but he did not I am just trying to stick to this situation not every hypothetical. Hypothetically you are Correct

NO prob Dream I agree that is totally screwed up

 

[johntv]

Right not everyone has a renewal clause and that is irrelevant for this conversation PETS.tv was a new reg

Hi Raymond, I agree with you that for pets.tv the renewal clause does not matter at all.

The way Versign is now handling pets.tv can be an example of how they can act in the (near) future and, according to the contract, also with renewals.

That makes it relevant to discuss in my opinion. It kind of scares me how fast and with only little communication they handle this, all because it's in the contract.

 

[equity78]

John I did not mean it was irrelevant to discuss I was trying to keep the PETS.tv thread on the PETS.tv situation

 

[johntv]

John I did not mean it was irrelevant to discuss I was trying to keep the PETS.tv thread on the PETS.tv situation

Hi Ray, okay, I understand.

BTW, the way you are helping Fleaking on this issue with all your contacts is really great, I am sure everyone here appreciates that much

The outcome of this issue can have impact on all of us.

 

[antonis12]

Carlton they know the whois shows that when I spoke to Verisign they were well aware. THe key is the 30 Days when I regged LCD.tv for regualr fee that's what John Berryhill told me I had to have pass 30 days. Because for ANY reason they can cancel and everyone agrees to those Terms and conditions the reg does not go through without it

If I have understood this thread, this is what has happened:

1. Pets.tv was previously non-premium

2. Pets.tv dropped as non premium (BTW, the undiscussed stupid decision here)

3. Person A regged Pets.tv as soon as it dropped BUT Verisign/Enom wanted to re-classify it as premium since it dropped

4. While Verisign was doing the reclassification, Person A sold to Fleaking

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First, my sympathies to Fleaking - this is a very strange, difficult and painful situation for him.

Now, my understanding of the facts above is correct, then I think the implications are as follows:

1. You should not trust any new non-premium reg for 30 days and probably should not brag publicly (e.g. here) about the great non-premium reg you got

2. You should not acquire any names in the secondary market within 30 days of registration

3. If it is correct that Enom asks for the 30 day period both at initial reg and at renewal, but GoDaddy does it only at initial reg, then you should only use GoDaddy for non premium regs. Time to reread those contracts.

4. While I appreciate that Verisign has the right to reclassify non-premium drops (as you can see, they did not try to reclassify pets.tv while it was regged), they need to get their systems in shape to do the reclassification before the drop. Otherwise, they risk very unfortunate situations like this occuring.

5. It will be interesting to see if Enom attempts to apply 30 day service renewal clause to our premiums which will be held at Enom. I don't see how they could claim to honor the renewal pricing while keeping a clause like that in there and it is definitely an area to lobby at as a group. This clause has to be eliminated on renewal for it to be worthwhile to develop on this extension.

Please let me know if I have understood the situation correctly and my thoughts are with you fleaking.

 

[Argos]

Really a bad point for Verisign in absence of specific reason why Verisign takes the name back see how just 1 email could affect the promotional relaunch of the extension and does reinforce once again the existing suspicion on .tv registration and renewal issues. Not a good publicity at all, a pity. Fleaking, the .tv forum is a one voice community, you have our support, keep us updated please. Equity, thank you for your strong involvement in this matter.

 

[antonis12]

see how just 1 email could affect the promotional relaunch of the extension and does reinforce once again the existing suspicion on .tv registration and renewal issues. Not a good publicity at all, a pity. .

You would think after all the difficulties they have been through with .tv that they would have learned the lesson that by providing clear, solid and fair comunication and rights for registrants, the extension will get a lot further than by trying to keep all the options open for the registry.

The reason to do this is not to be "nice" to us in any way. They will ultimately make much more money by ensuring that people view the platform as a stable foundation for development and then actually use it.

I hope this is just them handling the transition clumsily.

 

[SKG]

I feel like there are some missing pieces here to what has happened. Something happened between 12/2 and 12/5. If in fact Verisign reassigned pets.tv into a premium how was a premium sold during the current blackout period to petstv.com? I have a strong suspicion that the person who caught the drop may or may not have and the service he/she used did something incorrectly. I also think that allowing the person to sell the domain under 60 days was also an issue. Fleaking you may have bought a domain the seller never really had........

On another note, the registration of pets.tv is currently showing Dec 5th. If this is true then that means premiums are being sold but to whomever they want while telling the masses they have to wait.

 

[antonis12]

On another note, the registration of pets.tv is currently showing Dec 5th. If this is true then that means premiums are being sold but to whomever they want while telling the masses they have to wait.

possibly preparing video channel partners for a launch?

 

[reesemley]

Whois Server Version 1.0

Domain names can now be registered with many different competing registrars.
Go to http://registrar.verisign-grs.com/whois/ for detailed information.

Domain Name: PETS.TV
Registrar: TV CORPORATION
Whois Server: whois.www.tv
Referral URL: http://www.tv
Name Server: No nameserver
Status: SERVER-RENEW-PROHIBITED
Status: SERVER-XFER-PROHIBITED
Status: SERVER-DELETE-PROHIBITED
Status: SERVER-UPDATE-PROHIBITED
Updated Date: 22-dec-2006
Creation Date: 22-dec-2006
Expiration Date: 22-dec-2007


>>> Last update of whois database: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 08:04:47 EST <<<

 

[Mark]

This is Terrible .... If this is not a case of a "Reserved" domain for TM reasons ... They are doing this for simple GREED ? and Because they Can ?

This makes me Direct my Money toward extensions where the Holding / Controlling Registrars can't classify something as "Premium" ..... The Whole setup this way just plain Sucks !

 

[Kate]

I am not into .tv names but I hate differential pricing.
And I would hate to see the practice spread to other TLDs, including .com run by the same Verisign

 

[namewaiter]

just terrible, hard to see how they have any right when enom is actually the registrar, i hope things work out for you fleaking!

 

[fleaking]

Hello everyone!!
I appreciate your replies and comments!!!
I just finished my home work today, and it's mid-night here, I am tired so I have to go to sleep right away, I will response you tomorrow.

thanks again!!

(PS. I will post the reponse from VeriSign if I get it tomorrow)

just found that the whois has been changed to petstv.com............ damn.....
I totally lost it........

http://www.whois365.com/domain/pets.tv

 

[equity78]

Mark you are absolutely right although we don't know what happened and Verisign never claimed they reclassified. What they have done I have seen happen before
You go to www.tv Name avail reg the domain get an email two days later you regged *****.tv We are sorry we have to cancel this reg and refund you as this name was not available. I think that is a complete JOKE and incompetence I regged Inter.tv For $100 premium I told argos about this couple days letter I got an email like Fleaking got it was already regged. The crazier thing was it still showed available after that and I told them and they never fixed. IMO Petstv.com contacted Verisign that they wanted PETS.tv when it dropped and there was a glitch that made it available they probably siad to Verisign what's going on and they used the Standard 30 day window to cancel the registration. Let me also say I believe the petstv.com would have made this a udrp if they di not get the domain so either way this was going to be a screwy situation for the registrant. Now Fleaking should get back what he paid the initial registrant and them get their $20 back and at least everyone is not out any money just time and aggravation.


TO Johntv and Argos you are quite welcome you are the few that ever appreciate anything and you are the Charter .tv subforum members ty