.mobi .mobi dead or .mobi on NP dead ?

[tony_np]

I visited here every day.But seems no more news here.

.mobi dead or .mobi on NP dead ?

 

[000]

The dotmobi pure-play domainers will have their day... that I am sure of.

Some yes, some no, imho... but only time will tell

 

[dotcomisdead]

unbelievable ... naysayers for the longest time have been saying... "show my an advertised .mobi", "nobody markets their .mobi", "when was the last time you saw a .mobi used in the media", "the general public will never know .mobi exists"

so when it's pointed out, and proven, that these things are starting to happen, like foxnews and the before mentioned bofa we are just being overzealous ... give me a break!

touche! :bingo: (but would you expect anything else?)

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WOW am I glad I have missed this debate .. I think once the new gTLDs start to flow there could be a few heart attacks on here .. seriously calm down everyone - remember the golden rule - spread your investments.

Anyone who only invests in .com is dreaming. They are the exact same people who did not buy lll.coms when they were 70 bucks.

No seriously - I think 10 years from now all TLDs will be accepted . People are naturally lazy - if they can just remember the first bit of the domain and assume its a .com then they are happier - but in time everyone will learn to take note of the TLD too. Whatsit.whatsit - simple as that - not so hard is it?

I have been thinking its time to get rid of my lll.com domains - they really have plateaued over the last 5 years ....

AND I can think of loads of great .mobi names - eg. pizza.mobi , nytaxi.mobi - in fact I am just about to launch one
myself .. plus slimline, cutdown versions of normal sites - godaddy could use one for sure.

I may be going out on a limb here - but I suspect $10k invested in lll.me, lll.info and lll.mobi (approx 100 domains) would be worth far more in 5 years than one of my lll.com domains - anyone want to bet on that? I may just try that ... will this thread still be here in 5 years?

This is precisiely what I've been saying for some time now... I agree that $10k invested in one LLL.com (or even 2!) compared to $10k invested in a basket of other LLL's in say; 5 years time... I'll take the basket everytime...

My other bug-bear is that many viewpoints are related to NOW... what people with sites NOW will do for mobile..
They completely ignore the fact that 1,000's of new businesses start every single day of the week... these folks don't own killer dotcoms and are unlikely to want to pay for them; they are however buying countrycodes NOT dotcoms in many, many cases... they will also be considering dotmobi!

I will wager $50 on your side of the bet :sold:

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reserving 5000 premium domains, selling them off one by one, and focusing all energy on getting domainers invested in the extension really was genius on their part... Not good for the .mobi ecosystem however.

I disagree with the latter part of that statement; I believe that it is good for the 'ecosystem'
I agree that it was genius to hold them back... 5,000 domains will not make a big hole in the 'free float' of names out there but when dotmobi comes of age the premiums will be released to ensure that most end up developed... as opposed to what has happened to far more than 5,000 dotcoms... parked!

Has anyone taken a look at the 5,000 premiums (or at least those being held back) and checked the matching dotcom to see if they are well developed or parked or non-resolving?

 

[exsedo]

OK let's think of a better TLD for mobile phone friendly websites.

.phone
.tel
.mobile
.mob (nice)
.pda
.iphone
.portable (french)
.go
.small
.simple
.live
.go

so far .mobi is as good as any of these.

i like .go - does that exist?

how about :-
.nokia
.wii
.pod
.ipod
.sony
.lg

 

[dotcomisdead]

how about :-
.nokia
.wii
.pod
.ipod
.sony
.lg

You've done it again! :lol:


But it illustrates a good point because I'm fairly sure that we will be seeing some of these in the not too distant future;

nokia.mobi
wii.mobi
pod.mobi
ipod.mobi
sony.mobi
lg.mobi

 

[kemjika11]

Oh man, this thread has gotten a bit wilder, but juicier!First of all, there is already considerable dilution in the extensions market. Each new one that starts,gets rationalized, and patronized(by domainers too), and its a cycle i've seen at least 4 times. I think .mobi is struggling, and LLL and one word owners are probably going to get the best out of .mobi sales on the aftermarket.A few notes:
1.ccTLDs are in, and there's growth potential
2..mobi is struggling
3.THe mobile web could boost .mobi
5.Are people developing .mobis? and,
6.Are people really ready to browse the mobile web and embrace all its functionalities?

THat is .mobi's future to me...

 

[snoop]

I may be going out on a limb here - but I suspect $10k invested in lll.me, lll.info and lll.mobi (approx 100 domains) would be worth far more in 5 years than one of my lll.com domains - anyone want to bet on that? I may just try that ... will this thread still be here in 5 years?

The thing with those types of investments is they have huge holding costs. A low quality LLL.mobi would need to double in value in a year just for the owner to be in a breakeven scenario. People have made the same argument for years, and those people have stayed poor.

 

[dotcomisdead]

Oh man, this thread has gotten a bit wilder, but juicier!First of all, there is already considerable dilution in the extensions market. Each new one that starts,gets rationalized, and patronized(by domainers too), and its a cycle i've seen at least 4 times. I think .mobi is struggling, and LLL and one word owners are probably going to get the best out of .mobi sales on the aftermarket.
A few notes:
1.ccTLDs are in, and there's growth potential
2..is mobi is struggling?
3.The mobile web will boost .mobi
5. People are developing .mobis! and,
6. People really are ready to browse the mobile web and embrace all its functionalities!

The future is .mobi to me...

:bingo:

just a minor edit required & you're spot on!

 

[snoop]

unbelievable ... naysayers for the longest time have been saying... "show my an advertised .mobi", "nobody markets their .mobi", "when was the last time you saw a .mobi used in the media", "the general public will never know .mobi exists"

so when it's pointed out, and proven, that these things are starting to happen, like foxnews and the before mentioned bofa we are just being overzealous ... give me a break!

This is exaggerated in my view because there has always been some promotion of these domains, eg bank of america. What many naysayers have been saying for a while is that the level of promotion is insignificant in comparison to the promotion of .mobi alternatives (such as subdomains).

I don't think things are "starting to happen" it is just the same low usage levels that has been going on for a couple of years, yes every 6 months someone will start a thread about how they saw a .mobi advertised. The day people see a .mobi advertised and doesn't say a word about it (because it is commonplace and no longer newsworthy), that will be the day "things are starting to happen" for .mobi.

 

[dotcomisdead]

The thing with those types of investments is they have huge holding costs. A low quality LLL.mobi would need to double in value in a year just for the owner to be in a breakeven scenario. People have made the same argument for years, and those people have stayed poor.

keep your perspective though! We are talking about a $10,000 investment not a single domain at regfee...

So, pro-rata you need to say that holding 50 names at say $8 per annum = $400 per annum (4% of the 'fund') Compared to $8 for a single name... 0.08%

Then you have the downside risk of a single $10k dotcom - easily 20% potential on the downside as dilution starts to really eat into all but the highest tier of domains.. that's a $2,000 cost right there.

5 years & your basket of domains (50 names) has cost you $2,000 to 'hold' total invested $12,000

A single dotcom in 5 years may or may not have held its value... it may or may not have risen & it may or may not have collapsed in value.

whereas your basket of 50 names have spread your risk.... 20 names might be worthless... 20 names might be worth $200 each... (covering your holding costs)

in this scenario the other 10 names would need to average $1,000 each to breakeven but in 5 years they could be worth anything from $0 to ..... well, whatever... But I'd wager that 50 comparable names in alternative extensions will beat a single dotcom..

But... I'll be quite straight with you... it's not a done deal.. but I would, hand on heart go for the basket of 50 non-dotcom domains rather than a single $10k dotcom..

Bottom line, neither investment is for widows or orphans!

Toodle pip

 

[snoop]

Then you have the downside risk of a single $10k dotcom - easily 20% potential on the downside as dilution starts to really eat into all but the highest tier of domains.. that's a $2,000 cost right there.

5 years & your basket of domains (50 names) has cost you $2,000 to 'hold' total invested $12,000

A single dotcom in 5 years may or may not have held its value... it may or may not have risen & it may or may not have collapsed in value.

whereas your basket of 50 names have spread your risk.... 20 names might be worthless... 20 names might be worth $200 each... (covering your holding costs)

in this scenario the other 10 names would need to average $1,000 each to breakeven but in 5 years they could be worth anything from $0 to ..... well, whatever... But I'd wager that 50 comparable names in alternative extensions will beat a single dotcom..

Alot of this is numbers from nowhere. You've applied "fuzzy logic" and it has spat out the answer you want, *buy alt tlds*.

The fact is collections of cheap names have very high holding costs. The same is true for low quality .com's, over time they have seriously underperfomed names that do not have reg fees as a major component of their price. The odds are stacked against the person with high holding costs and names of uncertain value.

When you buy lots of cheap alt tld you aren't really spreading risk, the asset you are buying are all in the same category (high risk alternatives to the norm). Diversification does not mean not mean buying unusual assets of low value. If you were about to retire an investment advisor wouldn't be saying telling you to put 50% of your money in 100 different laregly unknown investments that in total represent 1% of the market. Most of the market, 99% of it value wise, is c/n/o and country codes.

but I would, hand on heart go for the basket of 50 non-dotcom domains rather than a single $10k dotcom..

Dude, that is obvious, whether it is a good idea or not is another thing entirely.

 

[dotcomisdead]

Alot of this is numbers from nowhere. You've applied "fuzzy logic" and it has spat out the answer you want, *buy alt tlds*.

The fact is collections of cheap names have very high holding costs. The same is true for low quality .com's, over time they have seriously underperfomed names that do not have reg fees as a major component of their price. The odds are stacked against the person with high holding costs and names of uncertain value.

When you buy lots of cheap alt tld you aren't really spreading risk, the asset you are buying are all in the same category (high risk alternatives to the norm). Diversification does not mean not mean buying unusual assets of low value. If you were about to retire an investment advisor wouldn't be saying telling you to put 50% of your money in 100 different laregly unknown investments that in total represent 1% of the market. Most of the market, 99% of it value wise, is c/n/o and country codes.



Dude, that is obvious, whether it is a good idea or not is another thing entirely.

I respect your reply; fair comments indeed, we simply disagree on a few points..

1. You are relying on a single $10k (2009) value dotcom holding it's value relative to the market..
(so if we see 25% inflation over 5 years you're looking for $12,500 + any 'real' capital gain)

2. You say 99% of value is c/n/o & country codes). I agree with you to a point but I believe that there will be a shift within that group; country codes will outperform in relative terms.

3. I genuinely believe that your list in 5 years will be that 99% of the value is is c/countrycodes/mobi/n/o (and in that order) .

 

[snoop]

I respect your reply; fair comments indeed, we simply disagree on a few points..

1. You are relying on a single $10k (2009) value dotcom holding it's value relative to the market..
(so if we see 25% inflation over 5 years you're looking for $12,500 + any 'real' capital gain)

I'm not relying on anything holding its value, I'm simply saying cheap names have issues with holding costs. Buy 10 $1000 names if you want. $6 names however are a huge risk.

2. You say 99% of value is c/n/o & country codes). I agree with you to a point but I believe that there will be a shift within that group; country codes will outperform in relative terms.

It has already happened in my view over the last year or so. That is to say nothing for the future. I think a couple of years ago many would have predicted .mobi to outperform, instead of that it was the peak of the market.

3. I genuinely believe that your list in 5 years will be that 99% of the value is is c/countrycodes/mobi/n/o (and in that order) .

I don't doubt that you think that, are you believing in your own BS though, that is the question?

I mean that seriously, remember we are all wrong about 50% of the time and when it comes to predictions involving a future change we are probably wrong an even higher % of the time. Personally I have no certain idea what the future will bring, so I'm interested in doing what works today, that does not including owning domain where the reg fees have a large effect on the domain value, it is like living in a country with 90% taxes, the odds are stacked against you.

 

[dotcomisdead]

I'm not relying on anything holding its value, I'm simply saying cheap names have issues with holding costs. Buy 10 $1000 names if you want. $6 names however are a huge risk.

I know you know but can I remind you anyway... not least because it is very important! EVERY SINGLE DOMAIN was once a $6 name and the launch of a new TLD is when that $6 opportunity presents itself. I am happy with 10 x $1,000 names for the sake of this discussion but I am also happy with my reg fee domains... (luckily I have the option to use my brain to identify good names to reg and then the luxury of time and of course the option to drop at the end of year 1, 2 or 3 and lose only my reg fee for that particular domain. I feel very confident that I can reg $1,000 domains for $6 as I have already sold some for over $2,000

It has already happened in my view over the last year or so. That is to say nothing for the future. I think a couple of years ago many would have predicted .mobi to outperform, instead of that it was the peak of the market.

How can a market peak when it's target market is the fastest growing thing on the planet? mobile internet is at 2 or 3 on a scale of 10... :imho: There was a peak in domainer circles as there is after any launch.. many people bale out within the 1st 6 months - that's normal in any market economy... the end user market has no more peaked than has the environmental lobby or space exploration (yes, I know... off on a tangent there! lol

I don't doubt that you think that, are you believing in your own BS though, that is the question?

It would be wrong of me not to have faith in my own beliefs, I'm not trying to sell you snake oil.... I am 100% behind what I say about dotmobi.

I mean that seriously, remember we are all wrong about 50% of the time and when it comes to predictions involving a future change we are probably wrong an even higher % of the time. Personally I have no certain idea what the future will bring, so I'm interested in doing what works today, that does not including owning domain where the reg fees have a large effect on the domain value, it is like living in a country with 90% taxes, the odds are stacked against you.

If I thought I could only be wrong 50% of the time I'd be very happy! Funny you mention 90% tax... have you lived in the UK before? lol I totally respect your policy of sticking with what you know works.. it's safer that way & I cannot deny that for a moment.. but tell me, IF dotmobi proves to be a good punt, do you deny that the % growth will beat your safe play? (I also accept that if it doesn't prove such a wise move that I will make far less than you will - that is why I have other investments outside of domaining).

Toodle pip

 

[exsedo]

I'm surprised that ' naysayer dot mobi ' is still available considering the number of times it's used in this thread :hehe:

 

[kemjika11]

where are the .mobi sales?:gl:

If people are able to sell .mobis at even an average rate compared to the major TLDs, then good luck to .mobi and there probably will be some big sales in the future.If .mobi can create sales and exchanges, then it will be back on track...

 

[scandiman]

where are the .mobi sales?:gl:

I've been enjoying the good prices.:sold:

 

[mis_chiff]

where are the .mobi sales?:gl:

If people are able to sell .mobis at even an average rate compared to the major TLDs, then good luck to .mobi and there probably will be some big sales in the future.If .mobi can create sales and exchanges, then it will be back on track...

I just read your post after seeing the front page of Sedo today

usone.mobi 500 $US - (not mine)

 

[snoop]

How can a market peak when it's target market is the fastest growing thing on the planet?

Ask the market? It has peaked. It is a bit like the Nasdaq, how could it have peaked 9 years ago when the Internet has grown so much? The answer is people get well ahead of reality with valuations.

IF dotmobi proves to be a good punt, do you deny that the % growth will beat your safe play?

You'd hope so given the risk levels involved with it.

 

[-REECE-]

A post I think everyone investing for the long term should read: e-Buy.com: A piece of internet history.. in 2000, a 7 million offer received?! - NamePros.com . Bottom line is what Snoop said -- we're wrong 50% of the time and most likely more when we're trying to predict the future of something we've invested in.

 

[acc]

dotcomisdead - There are diehard anti-mobi domainers. No matter how you explain anything they will spin it negatively against .mobi.

Re: the $10,000 single LLL.com vs. $10k worth of .mobi regs. I get your point loud and clear even if some can't.

All domain investing is speculative. Even the "safest" domainer trading cards - LLL.com - took a big hit and tanked to under $3k each for a while. And to see the fallicy of "just .com domaining" even more clearly look at the "little sisters" - the LLLL.coms. Reece's signature says it all ... "Under 500 LLLL.coms left. Only $1.50 per if you buy all."

$1.50 each for LLLL.coms? Say, weren't the next big safest .com domainer investment all locked at about $40-$50 each just last fall? Can't go wrong with dot com ... right .... That same $$$ could have been invested in pure generic .mobi names that have REAL WORLD meaning and straight forward development potential instead of being domainer trading cards.

Back to the OP's question ... the answer is that it is NP, not the extension although this thread is reviving the discussion here at NP. Dot mobi domaining is active as others mentioned. Lively, friendly, substantive discussion and real development is taking place elsewhere. Somewhere without the need to constantly justify the extension to those who either refuse to admit there is good potential to this new extension or those who just make sport of arguing. We all know that long story.

That's my answer. Now I'm just gonna skedaddle.:notme: