.mobi .mobi dead or .mobi on NP dead ?

[tony_np]

I visited here every day.But seems no more news here.

.mobi dead or .mobi on NP dead ?

 

[fire123togo]

Personally I dont see the point in .mobi , what can you do with .mobi that you cant do with .com .net or any other extension? granted it has it's obvious appeal to mobile website owners and if you owned a site which has both a full HTML version and a wap version some people may automatically go to the .mobi version of the domain but then again they may be just as inclined to go to m.site.com

In the end it all boils down to the prefference of the domain owner, do they want to spend more money registering a .mobi or do they want to save money and just shove the mobile version of their site on their .com - personally i'd go with the later

Hope that all made sense

on pc , button"Ctrl" plus button "Enter" is .com

on mobile phone , it seems that .mobi is a default on mobile brower ,domain name and button confirm

is .mobi


eg: idn.mobi (also english.mobi)

after idn name and button confirm , u can acess .mobi site diretly

m.stie.com /m.site .net cannt do that

---------- Post added at 08:05 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:32 PM ----------

m.idn.com is not a good thing.

 

[mwzd]

on pc , button"Ctrl" plus button "Enter" is .com

on mobile phone , it seems that .mobi is a default on mobile brower ,domain name and button confirm is .mobi

Which phone do you see this on?

I've seen a few hundred cellphone handsets but never come across a 'default' mobi button.

But then maybe you have a mtld special :D

 

[dotcomisdead]

As of today sex.mobi is still unassigned, inactive, dead.
I wonder how many other premium domains are held back by mtld ?
Sometimes I am under the impression .mobi suffers from the .tv syndrome ie. premium keywords being priced unaffordably so it somewhat kills interest in the extension :imho:

The good news is that .mobi is now growing again, albeit at a modest place. But even .biz is growing, and while it may not be dead its raison d'être has always been questioned.
So much for the mobile Internet revolution.

What is the obsession with sex.mobi?

Dotmobi is an extension for 'marketing' it will succeed because it is targetting new business as well as old (note: new business not having the benefit of an uber cool dotcom domain name)

Sex is massive on the web... but only massive for the manufacturers of kleenex and for the sellers of paid for content.
Porn does not benefit society, porn is at worst a depressing reflection on society and although very popular it is not what Sir Tim Burners Lee envisaged when he invented the internet.

If we can strip away the comments made by easily led, spotty teenagers and scared portfolio owners whose very own lifeblood, already stifled by the rapid growth in domain numbers and a massive fall in parking revenues, we are left with a group of unbiased, openminded people... of those, many who show an interest in domains will be doing so for business reasons.

You don't have to look far to find newly developed corporate dotmobi sites, they are published daily - by household names.

Dotcom is a global TLD... quality will trounce the competition. Dotcom is dead where it comes down to the poor quality domains in circulation, most dotcoms are, by default, so unbelievably poor that they almost beggar belief but let's stick with quality domains.

Brands are developing a dotcom and / or their native country code domains.
Brands are not adding alternative content to .net / .org / .info / .biz etc.. where they own these extensions it is either because the dotcom wasn't available or they are defensive regs used primarily as re-directs.
With one exception; dotmobi

Big Brand Names are rolling out made for mobile content; using m. /mobile & .mobi As a rule, they are making use of all 3. In the very same way they have .org .net .info .biz to catch stray traffic, the mobile content is also accessible via multiple channels.

Anyone who keeps an eye on dotmobis progress will be aware of the launch of dotmobi in China... the extension remains in English as ".mobi" but now the Chinese can register Chinese language domains in their own 'alphabet' as it were.

The growth of dotmobi / mobile internet is not in question. The reasoning behind it is simple; it is another route to customers... however large a role the mobile internet plays in the future remains to be seen but it is here to stay.
Domainers don't know how to play this market yet... the rules aren't the same! There are no viable parking programmes for dotmobi (but... what revenues are other extensions earning from parking these days?)
Domainers can't flip them so easily because many don't understand them fully... even the 'experts' are still unsure about it.

This forum is doing itself a great disservice, over the last 3 years the forum has, for reasons best known to it's senior management, suppressed 'pro' dotmobi members and censored many threads after trolling by naysayers has started slanging matches resulting in both the poor & less poor posts being removed and in many cases members being banned.
Who does this serve best? I would argue; nobody..
There is growing support from end users for dotmobi.
The market for mobile ONLY internet is 3x that of the web as we know it... globally speaking, most internet users have access to small screen devices only (literally.. no pc access at all!)
Clearly this will not concern us 'westerners' with our houses, our 2 cars and several pc's / laptops and smart phones.. but if you look at the foothold that dotmobi has in South Africa for example it would be chirlish in the extreme to deny that dotmobi has a future. It was no mistake that dotmobi was released with Global Coverage, backed by global players..

Forget what you know about domaining, forget about the world being so US-centric... indeed even the UK is going to face some serious challenges if it is to avoid becoming a 2nd rate business entity.

Argentina was once richer than the UK.... it lost everything because of a similar financial crisis that the US & Europe are facing... unmanagable levels of debt...

So welcome to the new world... where most internet users will access the web from their phones.

All domains have potential, but this is not a 5 minute "back of a postcard" conclusion.... dotcom will remain the number 1 TLD... But only quality will add value.
Country codes are the Number 2... values will depend on the country; the .de & .co.uk markets are strong but others are fast groing.
dotmobi is almost certain to become number 3 because all companies that have a turnover of more than a few tens of $'s per annum will want a web presence that covers mobile - even if they use m. /mobile they will desire the dotmobi if only for brand protection.
Those same companies will desire the dotcom and the countrycodes of those countries that they trade in.

.tv / .travel / .biz and a whole raft of other extensions that exist now or will in the future are highly speculative; they do not fit 90% of businesses around the world - although .biz does have the strongest case as it is very non-specific. However, history shows that .biz is not a strong extension - it is more for stamp-collecting domainers to add to their collections.

The naysayers can of course come up with the same tired old reasons that dotmobi will fail but luckily for those who back the extension, a few hundred domainers will not influence the end-user market. mtld is a powerful marketing machine and has made great inroads into China and Europe.

I will try to post useful information about dotmobi, I do not intend to post regularly but I do encourage those who believe in the future of mobile internet - with it's data restrictions and SMALL screen, to continue to post on NP mobi section and simply ignore the trolls who just want to wind you up.
It's a losing battle they are fighting, we know that so let's leave them to it...

I do note from an earlier post that the dotmobi section is the 4th most popular section with the 3rd highest 'response' rate.... that tells me that dotmobi is not dead... (But it seems that many here wish it so? - one does have to ask why?)

Toodle pip!

 

[satsdifference.com]

Very Alarming

Believers will have you believe anything :D

They'd like you to believe that .mobi is a major success in an alternate reality.

I posted this in the .tv section - just as relevant here - The Cult Test, Questions 0

Hi, rule #0 (for all points revised 1-100)

Fear of the L-ord








Kind Regards,

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[mjnels]

It's not just about supply and demand. If you don't supply when there may be demand, customers will shop elsewhere or move on. At some point it's too late to release the goods. Or if you do, the market conditions may be less favorable as time goes by. Hold and wait is not always a winning strategy.

again, doesnt make a difference to me one way or another. if mTLD didnt hold these domains back some domainers would just be holding them or watering down the market even more by trying to flip them.

the argument that mTLD should have released them (or not held them back at all) so people can develop them is a valid one in theory... but in reality you're not gonna force anyone to develop something useful... again, just look at com, net, org as an example. some of the best keywords are still parking lots and those TLD's grew up fine without the best keywords. im not saying this is what is going to happen with .mobi... i am simply saying its not as big of a deal as people like to think it is and it actually ended up being good for the aftermarket. there is absolutely no way i would have been able to sell so many domains for $xxx-x,xxx early on if there were 5,000+ of the best domains floating around the market at the same time.

 

[dotcomisdead]

News:

mtld will be releasing a number of IDN.mobi over the next few months. These will allow non-Roman alphabet users to register .mobi's in their own language and script

The Chinese deal has been signed with Trey Harvin attending a major event at CATR - the China Academy of Telecommunication Research earlier this week.

The population of China is?
The number of annual University graduates in China is?
The market for mobile internet in China is?

The national debt of China is?
The national debt of the US is?

The average age in China is?
The average age in the US is?

These are seriously interesting questions...... they really would benefit from a nice graph...

Can you blame mtld for putting so much effort into relations with a country that over 99% of us 'out west' (including myself) have never been to?


toodle pip

 

[qO_Op]

It's no wonder this place is dying when you ban members like Pred.

 

[namewaiter]

my o my

 

[cosmik debris]

Some things never change around here.

 

[-REECE-]

Anything extremely rude about any member will be deleted. You agreed to a Code of Conduct when you signed up -- respect for other members was one condition of membership. I was only responsible for deleting one post -- one from Pred which I felt was insulting to Samit. I didn't delete the others and frankly, I don't even want to bother checking what was written because I probably don't want to know.

Namepros allows people to be for or against any domain extension they want -- you'll never get banned for liking .mobi however anyone making a habit of insulting staff,mods or other members will quickly find they're not welcome here.

If someone is insulting or ridiculing you (and that goes for any member of this forum) at any time -- day or night, send me or one of the other mods/staff a pm and I promise you it will be dealt with.

Wow, my post has been removed too. And all it said was 'Bingo' to what Pred had written (now 'removed'). This is interesting, as they are doing this same thing right now in IRAN, complete censorship of anything dissenting of management/government. (ahh, the ego trip of 'Mod Powers'!)

Will we be tear gased too?

 

[000]

You know, it's pathetic that the same argument has been going on for over 2 and 1/2 solid years, nonstop. And, even worse, it has been allowed to continue.

@NP Staff (as a whole, I'm not addressing anyone in particular) - there are ways to put an end to the constant, years-long bickering. Everyone is sick and tired of it (mods and regular members alike). Why isn't anything being done? What's the holdup? Perhaps I'm in the minority here, I don't know, but personally I don't think that even "polite" bickering is okay when that's basically all that happens here. A little bickering here and there, sure, of course that's gonna happen. But it happens on a daily basis. You can't get away from it... and that's simply not healthy nor acceptable for anyone or NamePros as a whole. I have a proposal for you. I think that anyone who comes here for the sole purpose of arguing (on either side of the fence) should be banned from the .mobi subforum (at first only for a month perhaps, and then for a year, or forever). Every member here should be able to contribute something positive (ie, useful) to the community.. it's a simple concept. If a member rarely or never contributes anything useful, then you've clearly got a trolling issue on your hands. And again, this goes for every member, whether they like .mobi or not. If you can't be a positive part of the community, you shouldn't be part of it at all.

 

[Electric-Shadow]

If posts are constructive i'm all for a good healthy debate but if posts are rude or offensive they are usually deleted (and rightly so) and dealt with appropriately, if you see any of these posts you can help the section moderators by reporting them.

 

[hawkeye]

Reece, Simply put, my post was deleted and all I wrote was 'Bingo. And a rep to you'. (paraphasing maybe). That's it, nothing more. So again to have that simple, non-offending, post deleted is nothing more than 'Mod Ego' censorship! If not, explain what is wrong with my statement that it needed to be 'deleted'!!

Anything extremely rude about any member will be deleted. You agreed to a Code of Conduct when you signed up -- respect for other members was one condition of membership. I was only responsible for deleting one post -- one from Pred which I felt was insulting to Samit. I didn't delete the others and frankly, I don't even want to bother checking what was written because I probably don't want to know.

Namepros allows people to be for or against any domain extension they want -- you'll never get banned for liking .mobi however anyone making a habit of insulting staff,mods or other members will quickly find they're not welcome here.

If someone is insulting or ridiculing you (and that goes for any member of this forum) at any time -- day or night, send me or one of the other mods/staff a pm and I promise you it will be dealt with.

 

[dotcomisdead]

You know, it's pathetic that the same argument has been going on for over 2 and 1/2 solid years, nonstop. And, even worse, it has been allowed to continue.

@NP Staff (as a whole, I'm not addressing anyone in particular) - there are ways to put an end to the constant, years-long bickering. Everyone is sick and tired of it (mods and regular members alike). Why isn't anything being done? What's the holdup? Perhaps I'm in the minority here, I don't know, but personally I don't think that even "polite" bickering is okay when that's basically all that happens here. A little bickering here and there, sure, of course that's gonna happen. But it happens on a daily basis. You can't get away from it... and that's simply not healthy nor acceptable for anyone or NamePros as a whole. I have a proposal for you. I think that anyone who comes here for the sole purpose of arguing (on either side of the fence) should be banned from the .mobi subforum (at first only for a month perhaps, and then for a year, or forever). Every member here should be able to contribute something positive (ie, useful) to the community.. it's a simple concept. If a member rarely or never contributes anything useful, then you've clearly got a trolling issue on your hands. And again, this goes for every member, whether they like .mobi or not. If you can't be a positive part of the community, you shouldn't be part of it at all.

Good evening Egnited

That is a very articulate post, would you be kind enough to explain to me (briefly of course) what this is all about? Being new to the forum I've not been following all of this in-fighting so it would be great to know who & what to look out for.
I do hope that this forum is a decent 'open' forum, I've spent so much time on other forums that just seem to be there to serve the owners own agenda.

Toodle pip

 

[-REECE-]

I'm not going to comment on the decision made by another moderator/staff and I wasn't here when the deleted posts were written so I really don't know the whole story myself. If your post was wrongfully deleted, you have my apologies for that -- I have deleted very few posts in the .mobi forum, only ones insulting other members and recently, those of some anti-.mobi trolls.

@Egnited: From what I've seen lately, I would say the forum has been running much more smoothly than it has in the past. I've started deleting pointless threads of the ".mobi is useless" nature, as it's clearly just a troll looking to start a problem. Members can't see posts and threads that I or other mods/staff have deleted, so it's difficult to know what exactly we're doing behind the scenes, however I have been less tolerant lately of threads I feel were just created to start a problem.

 

[scandiman]

Serious questions

Anything extremely rude about any member will be deleted. You agreed to a Code of Conduct when you signed up -- respect for other members was one condition of membership. I was only responsible for deleting one post -- one from Pred which I felt was insulting to Samit.

I'm curious Reece, do you find it insulting and rude for Samit to insinuate that a .mobi investor is a cultist? Or is that somehow fair game since no one was named specifically? Is that the respect called for in the code of conduct? Especially from a NamePros Team Leader?

Believers will have you believe anything :D

They'd like you to believe that .mobi is a major success in an alternate reality.

I posted this in the .tv section - just as relevant here - The Cult Test, Questions 0

I didn't delete the others and frankly, I don't even want to bother checking what was written because I probably don't want to know.

Considering you're the sole mod for this section, if you don't who will? I can't imagine being balanced in your policy enforcement without bothering to see what else was written.

 

[hawkeye]

I'm not going to comment on the decision made by another moderator/staff and I wasn't here when the deleted posts were written so I really don't know the whole story myself. If your post was wrongfully deleted, you have my apologies for that -- I have deleted very few posts in the .mobi forum, only ones insulting other members and recently, those of some anti-.mobi trolls.

My take would be that a sub forum has a moderator to moderate and control that certain subforum. But it seems it must be ok for any moderator, with or without their biased opinion, can just go to any sub forum, comment, delete, and what... 'ban', at will, just because....., I don't know, they have a 'moderator' status here!??!? Why then delegate each subforum with set mods then?? Just get a bunch of ego driven mods, and let them do as they please throughout the whole forum, because they are a 'mod'!!

Mods should only 'moderate' the forums they are assigned to! (of course that would just be logical..)

 

[-REECE-]

Mods can only delete/give warnings/ban people in their sections however staff can do so in any section. As a whole, I think the mods here are pretty reasonable -- maybe not as laissez-faire as at some other forums, but then again, I've been criticized for that myself, so it's hard to find a happy medium that will please most people. Frankly, anyone getting off on having the ability to delete posts and ban members on a forum needs to get a life imho. I try to remain as objective as possible when looking into matters -- we're just people and make mistakes like anyone else, however I do think all mods/staff have the best interest of the forum at heart when they take whatever actions are necessary.

My take would be that a sub forum has a moderator to moderate and control that certain subforum. But it seems it must be ok for any moderator, with or without their biased opinion, can just go to any sub forum, comment, delete, and what... 'ban', at will, just because....., I don't know, they have a 'moderator' status here!??!? Why then delegate each subforum with set mods then?? Just get a bunch of ego driven mods, and let them do as they please throughout the whole forum, because they are a 'mod'!!

Mods should only 'moderate' the forums they are assigned to! (of course that would just be logical..)

 

[Electric-Shadow]

Mods can only delete/give warnings/ban people in their sections however staff can do so in any section. As a whole, I think the mods here are pretty reasonable -- maybe not as laissez-faire as at some other forums, but then again, I've been criticized for that myself, so it's hard to find a happy medium that will please most people. Frankly, anyone getting off on having the ability to delete posts and ban members on a forum needs to get a life imho. I try to remain as objective as possible when looking into matters -- we're just people and make mistakes like anyone else, however I do think all mods/staff have the best interest of the forum at heart when they take whatever actions are necessary.

I agree, i'd also like to add that it is sometimes challenging to find the right balance when dealing with trolls, as if your too harsh it can be seen in the wrong light by some members but if your too soft it can give the wrong impression. Namepros encourages healthy, constructive debate but not when posts start turning rude / offensive thats when posts start getting deleted and don't forget there may also be more than meets the eye in some occaisions, so don't always asume this or that is why this person or that person was banned.

 

[mwzd]

I'm curious Reece, do you find it insulting and rude for Samit to insinuate that a .mobi investor is a cultist? Or is that somehow fair game since no one was named specifically? Is that the respect called for in the code of conduct? Especially from a NamePros Team Leader?

Since you've addressed me specifically, I'll answer.

1. I didn't insinuate any .mobi investor is a cultist, just those that don't allow anyone to question their 'god' and 'salvation'. I own .mobi's too, they're not worthless, just tough to sell at a price point I could even cover my costs at, so I'd rather develop them but haven't found an ide or tech that is future ready enough to impress me to get into it, as yet.

2. I'm tld unsensitive, it doesn't matter to me what is or what is not the tld. What gets my goat is to see people call any tld the solution to the worlds problems by being 'it'. Specially when you see a decided lack of any interest in sales, on the board and off it. This disparity between the 'pumpers' and the actual sales makes it seem like propaganda then, not a discussion, specially when they personally attack the person mentioning this, instead of offering constructive criticism or even a differing view, if so inclined.

3. RJ has very clearly mentioned that the Forum Rules provide a level playing field to all members, volunteer mods or team leaders or anyone else for that matter. Follow the rules, leave the personal attacks and the name calling out of it and no one will take any action on your posts or on your account.

No one has it in for you (not you specifically, just you all), least of all me, I'm an equal opportunity trader who's here to buy and sell domains. I'm sure I've had transactions with most of the people who disagree with me, but that is opinion, not business. I am not interested in politics, nor do I try to 'bash' tlds, but am well within my rights to say it as I see it, you might not agree with it, thats your call, you can always 'ignore' anyone by simply adding them to your ignore list.

But please, please, offer constructive NON OFFENSIVE opinions. Do not name call, you can disagree with anyone's opinion but calling them names just shows you pander to a cult, read the reference provided, was an education for me, might be for you too.