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http://www.domainingblog.com/2005/09/special-edition-report-tv-domain-name.html

Many believe this is a dot com world and to a certain extent this is a partial truth. The king of all extensions is surely the most desirable in the domain name market of past, present and most likely the future but don’t be fooled there are other major markets in the world of domaining. For instance, there are many countries where ccTLD’s are very popular and widely accepted. Germany’s .DE, ccTLD, is the second most registered domain name in world nearing the 10 million .DE domain names registered marker. England’s .co.uk is another very popular and widely accepted ccTLD. Other popular ccTLD’s include; India’s new ccTLD, .IN, France’s .FR, Japan’s .JP, China’s .CN and Italy’s .IT just to name a few.

Now let’s not forget the tiny South Pacific nation of Tuvalu with it’s red hot ccTLD, .TV. Less than two weeks ago Travel.tv sold for $65,000 while Mail.tv sold for $35,000 and these are not even close to the highest reported sales of all-time. It was rumored that Golf.tv sold for $600,00 in years past but can not be verified. Other top reported .TV sales include; China.tv, Free.tv and Net.tv, all which had $100,000 price tags.

Why so much fuss over this tiny island country of just 11,636 inhabitants ccTLD? It’s simple really, the acronym TV is known around the world as the abbreviation for television, this acronym has no language barriers. It is without question one of the most recognized two letter combinations in the entire world and we all know the world has an incredible fascination with their beloved televisions. In fact in many countries throughout the world watching television is their favorite past time. From one study we saw it showed that an average person in a particular country watches TV for nearly 30 hours on average per week. That’s nearly 1,000 per year, nonetheless this a lot of time to devote to the tube.

The correlation? The market is absolutely enormous, so enormous in fact that the California-based company that partnered with Tuvalu ended up selling their share to VeriSign, operator of the .com and .net extensions, after claiming to sell more than 450,000 .TV domain names in December of 2001. This made the tiny island country of Tuvalu quite a bit of money (millions upon millions), enough in fact to build new roads and infrastructures. Now in the hands of VeriSign the .TV extension has been taken to all-new levels.

For companies and .TV speculators/investors the renewal fees are just a tad higher than for dot com’s, ranging from $29.99-$49.99 per year depending on the registrar. Seems fair enough but believe it or not VeriSign has marked a premium on many of the best names. For example if you want to register Comedy.tv, which is available at this very moment, it would cost you a whooping $100,000 per year in annual renewal fees, some even have premiums up to $1,000,000 per year for names like Business.tv. GreatDomains, premium domain name brokerage, currently has over 300 premium .TV domain names listed for sale including Trips.tv for $250,000 and Cinema.tv for $200,000.

The .TV extension is only now really starting to take off in a bigger way as large corporations such as the MLB are you using it to stream live Major League Baseball games at MLB.tv. Major televisions such as TNT are now using the .TV extension for their Internet presence. Many infomercials and made for television product companies are also using the .TV extension more and more on major television networks. All of this exposure is making the .TV extension more recognizable to the average person and the .TV extension is beginning to become more and more accepted each and everyday. With this acceptance comes an increase in traffic and more importantly value.

There was recently an incredibly informative sponsored thread on the .TV domain name extension at one of the top domaining forums, NamePros. We were so fortunate enough to get together with the thread’s creator and .TV connoisseur Raymond Hackney of 3Character.com for a short Q&A.

Here is what he had to say:

Q: db – When did you begin investing in .TV domain names?

A: RH – 2003, although I followed since 2000.

Q: db – What do you think of the two recent .TV sales of Travel.tv and Mail.tv?

A: RH - Elequa is the best .TV domainer on the planet, IMO . They are great names with the integration of computer and TV someday you may very well check your email on your TV, so I think that a great play. Travel is a very big market too so a lot of possibilities, IMO.

Q: db - From a traffic stand point what kind of results have you had with your best .TV domain names? Do you expect the traffic to increase in the future?

A: RH - .TV domains do get traffic, people think they don't but they do and I think they should keep getting traffic as more stations and companies use them.

Q: db - What do you think of the premiums that VeriSign charges for some of the .tv domain names? Do you think that this helps or hurts the .TV marketplace and why so?

A: RH - Goes both ways, many domainers do not like .TV, especially for this reason of premium pricing. So they are expensive but you have less competition. Think how much competition on a drop for a good LLL.com or a good keyword.

Q: db - What do you think the future beholds for the .TV extension?

A: RH - I think you will see continued use growing pretty rapidly. In England TV stations use them more and more each day. There will be naysayers but they cannot deny the fact that TV is the most popular and well-known 2-letter combination on the planet. If you speak Mandarin you know what a TV is, Greek you know what a TV is what it means even if you speak no English.

Q: db - What kind of advice could you give to other .TV domain name speculators/investors to help them become more successful?

A: RH - You have to be right in this extension more than any other. What I mean is you will not sell a bad reg to another domainer in a forum and get back your $30. If you buy a premium name you will certainly not get back the premium price. You must focus on END user needs. It should go with the ext, be intuitive. Examples; LCD.tv, Plasma.tv, Ten.tv Watch.tv See.tv. Focus on technology such as IP TV, programs but be careful for trademarks. Focus on numbers, I believe every country has stations and they are numbered three, six, ten, etc. Focus on popular things on TV such as sports, cooking, leisure. It is better to own 1 great .TV, yes, they are expensive but that is better than 25 so so .TV names. Focus on developing, especially if the name is intuitive it will stay with people i.e. branding. Remember it is about 4 to 1 most people can register a .com for $7 a .TV for $30 so that ratio you have to be aware of one bad .TV reg is like four .com. When you can reg the ****tv.com too, you will notice that TravelTV.com and MailTV.com were regged with the two .TV names always get the set. Gives you leverage with an end user, you get both sets of traffic. Major companies are mixed; SPIKETV.com, TNT.tv, SPICETV.com, CN8.tv, so even major companies are split on how to use them. If you have both you have control.

Without question .TV domain names can turn into successful investments or websites. The proof is how they say in the pudding. If you get the right .TV domain name you could make out quite well on your investment. Many have already turned reg fee .TV domains into five, even six-figures. Really, this is only the tip of the iceberg as the .TV extension is only going to become more recognizable to the general public from this point on. Like Raymond mentioned, be sure to get domains that have a direct correlation to the extension and try to always get the *****TV.com to accompany your .TV for more leverage and a full market share on the namespace.

Happy .TV domaining to all!

Source: NamePros.com

What does everybody think about the .TV domain name extension? Do you currently hold any .TV domains and if so, how many? What .TV domains do you hold and how much have they been speculated or appraised to be worth? What do you think the future has in store for the .TV domain name extension?

Please share all of your thoughts about on this topic by commenting on this post. Also, feel free to start up a conversation about this topic in the chat box or chat room.

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Thanks, equity, for the insightful flashback.

Never read the article, and my how time flies when you're having fun!
 
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Nice flashback.

It could have been written tomorrow its so insightful!
 
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congrats ray...

good answers and overview on .tv..

keep up the good work on moderating and your insights into .tv and your new development project!

cheers,
j
 
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Excellent interview, Ray.

It's great to see that you were spot on 3 years ago about .tv. :tu:

It's always a genuine pleasure to read your excellent analyses. This .tv subforum benefits a lot from your great insight and from your qualities as an excellent moderator. :)
 
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3 years ago!
Nice foresight EQ
the article is ahead of its time, I agree with jimbojimbo could have been written tomorrow and still be relevant.

Great vision!
 
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"Less than two weeks ago Travel.tv sold for $65,000 while Mail.tv sold for $35,000"

3 years down the track we still haven't seen any sales reported higher than these.
 
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snoop said:
"Less than two weeks ago Travel.tv sold for $65,000 while Mail.tv sold for $35,000"

3 years down the track we still haven't seen any sales reported higher than these.

I know there have been some very high unreported sales since. One name is Property.tv that sold for 100K, the same guy who sold it turned down 350K for RealEstate.tv not too long ago.
 
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Excellent article. It may not be recent, but it was still very relevant.
 
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MCB.TV said:
I know there have been some very high unreported sales since. One name is Property.tv that sold for 100K, the same guy who sold it turned down 350K for RealEstate.tv not too long ago.

:o wow
 
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WHY GUYS LIKE SNOOP JUST DON'T WANT TO GET IT.

Reported aftermarket sales do not tell the .TV story over the last 3 years.

Thousands of .TV premiums that have been registered in the last 3 years. Many for 5K even 10K PER YEAR Some even higher. Many to end users who have and are developing and boosting .TV awareness. The metrics in understanding growth in the .TV are and always will be different then .com. Many of the powerful premiums that were reged are and will be put in the public'S face with on point content, while the the .com counterparts make their PPC there market share will erode unless.

Two great examples.

Look at Nebraska.tv vs Nebraska.com- The ABC affiliate in Nebraska did not need the .com, went ahead and developed the .TV instead and now gets almost 4x the traffic as Nebraska.com

http://siteanalytics.compete.com/ne...a.tv/?metric=uv

Tulsa.tv (not owned by a major media company) gets more traffic then tulsa.com

http://siteanalytics.compete.com/tu....com/?metric=uv

Why, because when it is all said and done DEVELOPMENT IS THE GREAT EQUALIZER. For online video commerce and media sites (which is the future of all commerce sites) .TV is just as viable as .com if you develop and meet the expectations.

Guys like Snoop have time to moderate forums because they make PPC money and there main job is to protect their assets and try to stop any viable alternative from .com to be successful because it will eat away at their bottom line over time and show major companies that they do not need the .com domain be successful when .TV can beat .com when better content is provided. Many more feel like they need both the .com and .tv and smartly realize they are not only protecting their brands but opening up additional revenue opportunities.

IMO the longer these guys milk PPC and leave undeveloped sites online the better for us .TV owners because it leaves the door open to establish your brand and provide superior content. People want that, but you need to develop. The value of .TV is not about aftermarket sales that get reported. As we know the vast majority do not including at least 25 deals in the last 18 months I have been involved in (both buyer and seller at times) in the mid to high xxxx range and a few low xxxxx (10-25k)

The point is we are following the real world development money that media companies are putting into the space, not domainer money. These seeds are being planted and will be sprouting all over the place in the coming months and years. Major companies are already using .TV in mass. Many use .com for info and .TV for video. Many more use .TV alone as a stand alone business.

The genie is out of the bottle, guys like Snoop can kick and scream but ask yourself this. If Snoop was not threatened by .TV why would he spend so much of his time monitoring the NamePros .TV forum ???

He is not a saint. He is not doing the lords work to warn people about .TV. The is B.S.

He knows it has value. He knows its for real. It is here to stay. The day Snoop stops caring we are all in trouble.. :)
 
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MCB.TV said:
WHY GUYS LIKE SNOOP JUST DON'T WANT TO GET IT.

Reported aftermarket sales do not tell the .TV story over the last 3 years.

Thousands of .TV premiums that have been registered in the last 3 years. Many for 5K even 10K PER YEAR Some even higher. Many to end users who have and are developing and boosting .TV awareness.

This is the registry making money, not domainers making money. As I have said for a long time, .tv is a well used extension with very few opportunities for domainers. You have been promoting this extension for many years yet your sites are just coming soon pages? Are you making a profit from .TV?
 
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snoop said:
This is the registry making money, not domainers making money. As I have said for a long time, .tv is a well used extension with very few opportunities for domainers. You have been promoting this extension for many years yet your sites are just coming soon pages? Are you making a profit from .TV?

Yes, I have been in acquisition mode mainly for past 18 months. Snoop, I have nothing against you personally. I admire your passion however misdirected I think it may be. I hope you are successful at what you do. We come from different backgrounds and are taking different approaches. I am not a pure play domainer like you. I still make a living in the entertainment industry as I am developing my network and shooting content.

As far as making money in domaining, I have made far more then you would believe. None of these sales were reported anywhere. The money I have made has gone into acquiring more names (bigger cities).

At the end of the day Snoop, you always talk about the registry making all the money, but if you develop, in the real world, the $500 I pay per year for SantaMonica.tv is nothing more then a marketing expense. I have been meeting with businesses in Santa Monica and have gotten instant credibility dropping the name SantaMonica.tv The brand value is immense.

More down the road.

By the way Snoop what is your take on the Nebraska.tv and Tulsa.tv examples?

What is your take on vegas.com buying Las.tv, you never responded to the thread I left for you on the .TV forum of DomainState?
 
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MCB.TV said:
...Guys like Snoop have time to moderate forums because they make PPC money and there main job is to protect their assets and try to stop any viable alternative from .com to be successful because it will eat away at their bottom line over time and show major companies that they do not need the .com domain be successful when .TV can beat .com when better content is provided. Many more feel like they need both the .com and .tv and smartly realize they are not only protecting their brands but opening up additional revenue opportunities.



The genie is out of the bottle, guys like Snoop can kick and scream but ask yourself this. If Snoop was not threatened by .TV why would he spend so much of his time monitoring the NamePros .TV forum ???

He is not a saint. He is not doing the lords work to warn people about .TV. The is B.S.

He knows it has value. He knows its for real. It is here to stay. The day Snoop stops caring we are all in trouble.. :)

SHAZAAM...

That was kinda like hitting the pinata without having a blindfold on! D-:
 
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MCB.TV said:
By the way Snoop what is your take on the Nebraska.tv and Tulsa.tv examples?

What is your take on vegas.com buying Las.tv, you never responded to the thread I left for you on the .TV forum of DomainState?

As I have been saying since the start .tv is well used, so I think you are arguing a point I'm not debating. What I am debating is the ability of domainers to profit from this extension. Do I really think you'll end out developing the dozens of .tv you have registered?.....no because after years of talk (going back to 2005) not one looks to be developed.
 
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MCB.TV said:
I still make a living in the entertainment industry as I am developing my network and shooting content.

Just curious, I was wondering what type of entertainment you are involved in?

MCB.TV said:
in the real world, the $500 I pay per year for SantaMonica.tv is nothing more then a marketing expense.

This is a really great way to look at the premium fee's in a business plan.

Ray this thread was a great read and interview, thank you for this post.
 
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MINDWRECKER.TV said:
Just curious, I was wondering what type of entertainment you are involved in?



This is a really great way to look at the premium fee's in a business plan.

Ray this thread was a great read and interview, thank you for this post.

I have been working in the entertainment industry since 1996. I moved out there after graduating film school at Ithaca College in 1996.

On the business side I worked at MGM, and several small boutique talent agencies.

Then I moved to the creative side, after getting noticed doing stand up comedy, I appeared in over 30 national commercials for companies like (Burger King, Microsoft, Quiznos, Pepsi, a Verizon Super Bowl spot in 2006 with Kid Rock and Shaq, and a Twix commercial with Kareem Abdul Jabaar, to name a few) I had a re-curring role on the tv show "Gilmore Girls" playing a character named "Joe the Pizza guy" in approx 10 episodes. I appeared on a few other shows as well.

During the same time I performed comedy 5 times a week and promoted comedy shows for profit throughout the LA area and did some road gigs.

Around this time I started taking an interest in the .TV space as I was always interested in domains and .TV with my background made perfect sense to me.

I then wrote directed and acted in a 40 minute movie that got distribution called "Being Ron Jeremy" with Andy Dick and Ron Jeremy.www.beingronjeremy.com (a very low budget rated R comedy spoof of the move "Being John Malkovich" where I get trapped inside the body of Ron Jeremy). For those of you who have Netflix you can rent it.

Then to focus on my domain business I took a job at visual effects house in LA where I now do video editing as I am in development mode shooting stuff and developing my Geo platform for MCB.TV

I will be calling on many contacts and already have started to for my Geo Development. I still get asked to audition for stuff and occasionally do, but my true passion is developing MCB.TV and making it a force in the media business.

The thing I love about this space is it lets me combine my business and creative abilities and to me it is the best of both worlds. :)

You can Google my name "Brian Berke" to find more info about the above things I have referenced.
 
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BRJ was a great production, great work Brian!
 
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ATL.tv said:
BRJ was a great production, great work Brian!

Thanks!
 
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Snoop is just trying wreck another thread saying domainers are not making money off .tv. We keep hearing the same old speech.

Good job ray and .tv forum members with a very loyal group here and the successes of .tv
 
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