LLLL.coms - Will There Ever Be Enough Buyers?

[sashas]

Alright.

Suppose that LLLL.coms stay completely regged from now on. That means every name, even xqzj.com is snapped up, just as the situation with LLL names.

Now lets assume that since all such names haven been taken, we'll see a minimum wholesale price of $20 per name (even for xqzj.com).

But do you really think there will be buyers for all LLLL.coms?

There are over 450,000 LLLL.coms. Are there really 450,000 buyers for them? Or are there enough domainers who will buy 450,000?

LLL.coms, on the other hand, are just 17,000 something. There can be easily 17,000 buyers for such names (keep in mind that LLL names form many many more acronyms than LLLL names, hence, more buyers).

Look at the situation with LLL.us/.biz names. They've all been taken, but they are still hard to sell (even with the minimum resale price). One reason is that there just aren't enough buyers; people already have LLL.nets, .org, .infos to choose from (and of course, the .com).

IMO, so many LLLL.coms will only mean an overflooding of the market. Too many names for sale will not only make them harder to sell, but also degrade their value.

 

[Travis]

Alright.

Suppose that LLLL.coms stay completely regged from now on. That means every name, even xqzj.com is snapped up, just as the situation with LLL names.

Now lets assume that since all such names haven been taken, we'll see a minimum wholesale price of $20 per name (even for xqzj.com).

But do you really think there will be buyers for all LLLL.coms?

There are over 450,000 LLLL.coms. Are there really 450,000 buyers for them? Or are there enough domainers who will buy 450,000?

LLL.coms, on the other hand, are just 17,000 something. There can be easily 17,000 buyers for such names (keep in mind that LLL names form many many more acronyms than LLLL names, hence, more buyers).

Look at the situation with LLL.us/.biz names. They've all been taken, but they are still hard to sell (even with the minimum resale price). One reason is that there just aren't enough buyers; people already have LLL.nets, .org, .infos to choose from (and of course, the .com).

IMO, so many LLLL.coms will only mean an overflooding of the market. Too many names for sale will not only make them harder to sell, but also degrade their value.

The domaining market grows more and more every year. People will be seeking domain names to fill there needs. I think there will be plenty of buyers.

 

[GreenGambler]

The domaining market grows more and more every year. People will be seeking domain names to fill there needs. I think there will be plenty of buyers.

I agree with Travis. As the market grows, investors will want to own LLLL.com's for their portfolios. Collectors will trade them among each other and End Users will continue to buy them for their companies and websites.

I'm sure there will be enough buyers and end users, over the next few years they will all find their place.

 

[bro]

Not all 450,000 LLLL are xqzj and the fact that a large number of LLLL domains are already owned by end users.

 

[1john2004]

Alright.



But do you really think there will be buyers for all LLLL.coms?

Do not worry. Most of them will not come on market now or in the nearest future. We will see some massive sales in one year though(about 20.000 low quality domain that were bought recently).

 

[KingDon]

If you waited and have been holding LLLL's for a couple of years, then wait a few more years. One day the world will be online, and someone will buy your name for more than you paid. But can you wait?

Chances are you'll only have a few of the names you currently own in ten years. Register up your great names and put them away for ten years, I'm sure even the crappiest ones will be worth more than a couple hundred bucks, and you will find an end user.

 

[floatingworld]

How many domainers are there internationally? 25,000? Let us just say that the 4Ls are distributed evenly across all domainers. That's about 20 per domainer. Say also each domainer released just 10% of stock each year and the number of domainers increased by 10% each year each of whom wanted a slice of the action. Now throw in just a few end users. Now think about where prices are likely to go.

 

[KingDon]

Nicely put floatingworld; I'm gonna use that line of reasoning for my friends who are able to follow logic.

 

[Kaleidozone]

There will be enough buyers: having an LLLL.com for your business will be a "signature" domain just like the prized LLL.com. And, there are endless abbreviations and uses. :imho:

Andrea

 

[cache]

I like what you said. I know you are a true believer.
But did you acquire many names or are you ready to sell them now?

How many domainers are there internationally? 25,000? Let us just say that the 4Ls are distributed evenly across all domainers. That's about 20 per domainer. Say also each domainer released just 10% of stock each year and the number of domainers increased by 10% each year each of whom wanted a slice of the action. Now throw in just a few end users. Now think about where prices are likely to go.

 

[srisri24]

I think there will enough buyers always if the price is reasonable or affordable. Even for a LLL.com no one will jump to pick up if the price is $XXX,XXX.

One thing for sure there will be a definite buyer for any LLLL.com

If anyone is still not believeing in LLLL.com's i am always there to buy them and give them thier reg fee back.

 

[RJ]

A word of advice with these types of low value "investment" names -- don't forget to figure in your renewal fees. Every year you hold is going to add $7-9 per name to your hard costs, so if the names are increasing in value at a pace disproportionate to this you may want to consider a more short term flipping strategy.

With almost half a million LLLL's in circulation I can't see the value of the poorer quality ones increasing too high. The lack of supply may drive the price a few times over the values from a few months ago but don't expect these to go too far into the three figures.

 

[godolphin]

A word of advice with these types of low value "investment" names -- don't forget to figure in your renewal fees. Every year you hold is going to add $7-9 per name to your hard costs, so if the names are increasing in value at a pace disproportionate to this you may want to consider a more short term flipping strategy.

With almost half a million LLLL's in circulation I can't see the value of the poorer quality ones increasing too high. The lack of supply may drive the price a few times over the values from a few months ago but don't expect these to go too far into the three figures.

Thanks for your advice

 

[-REECE-]

I think the best comparison is triple bad letter LLL's. Realistically, many of these names will very likely never find an enduser. I've likened their existence in the past to domainer incest (as in they're repeatedly traded among domainers, each one upping the price from the last)..

Why do they have any value at all? I think that's best answered by the chance your bad name might be the next RCS.com..

Don't think of LLLL's as having 450,000 endusers, ask yourself if there could conceivably be a few thousand people willing to pay X,XXX for them.

5,000 buyers at 2k each over 3 years would completely pay for all registration fees (of every single LLLL) over those 3 years. If you then factor in domainer to domainer sales, bargin bin sales, etc.. Not hard to see how this could work.

And if 5,000 buyers at 2k each seems farfetched, let's not forget where we are today with CVCV's. In the end, it doesn't really matter whether the names find endusers or not -- as long as people think they will and continue to pay significant prices, as we see with 3x bad letter LLL's.

 

[Krossat]

depends on when u buy and for how much do you wish to flip, and also how much time you are ready to comprise waiting.
If you buy something at x price and then wait 2 years for it to become 5x, you have literally wasted your money.

Better to buy a domain at 3x of regfee and flip it in like 3 months for 6x of regfee and continue with the cycle (which is now possible becoz of the saleout and thus the hype).

 

[BLazeD]

A word of advice with these types of low value "investment" names -- don't forget to figure in your renewal fees. Every year you hold is going to add $7-9 per name to your hard costs, so if the names are increasing in value at a pace disproportionate to this you may want to consider a more short term flipping strategy.

With almost half a million LLLL's in circulation I can't see the value of the poorer quality ones increasing too high. The lack of supply may drive the price a few times over the values from a few months ago but don't expect these to go too far into the three figures.

Agreed. 3 years comes around quick and there's over $30 in registration plus renewal, and I can't really see the qwyz.com type ones being worth that much even then. Man... those are horrible letters!

 

[italiandragon]

Agreed. 3 years comes around quick and there's over $30 in registration plus renewal, and I can't really see the qwyz.com type ones being worth that much even then. Man... those are horrible letters!

Yep I agree......why in hell I`d pay $500 or even $1000 for names such:

QXY.COM
ZWX.COM
KYJ.COM
WQZ.COM
YWQ.COM

let`s just drop them.....right?

(yet other people buy them for $6,000)

 

[-REECE-]

Yep I agree......why in hell I`d pay $500 or even $1000 for names such:

QXY.COM
ZWX.COM
KYJ.COM
WQZ.COM
YWQ.COM

let`s just drop them.....right?

(yet other people buy them for $6,000)

:hehe:

I made >$5 off 2 LLLL.coms with Q's in them (okay, to be fair, the other 3 letters were premium) parked at SEDO yesterday. That from a couple names which probably would have gotten "try and get your regfee back" appraisals even a couple months back :lol:

 

[sashas]

depends on when u buy and for how much do you wish to flip, and also how much time you are ready to comprise waiting.
If you buy something at x price and then wait 2 years for it to become 5x, you have literally wasted your money.

Better to buy a domain at 3x of regfee and flip it in like 3 months for 6x of regfee and continue with the cycle (which is now possible becoz of the saleout and thus the hype).

Agreed completely. Liquidity of your portfolio is vital. If you're getting just $50 after waiting for 3 years on your $9 registration, I believe that its just not worth it.
I cannot imagine bad quality LLLL.coms appreciating in value like the LLL.coms did (which went from $400 to $6000 in under 2 years). Even if qxyz.com stays regged, I don't believe it'll earn more than $30-50 in 2 years time. Do you really want to see your cash flow stopped and your liquidity drop for two years? I would rather buy a good quality LLLL.com for $100, sell for $250 in 6 months.

 

[Expron]

This Is Completly Off The Record!

I feel like I instigated & rooted on the LLLL.com domain hysteria to buyout all the remaining LLLL.com's. I was nervous at first too! Look at me now that they're all gone! From 16,000 available 5 days - a week ago to 0 today. I knew it was time to jump on the wagon or be left behind in the dust.

I ran a scan a few minutes ago & 26 LLLL.com's were available. Someone scooped them right under me during the full scan. I would have purchased them instantly. Shows that they are all unavailable. Welcome to the aftermarket, you may need to brush up on that.

I think the needs of the end users come into play here & why this all happened. As domainers (most here have the real knowledge to break news), everyone created a supply & demand. Would you rather put all your chips in a stockmarket with falling rates or invest in a hip LLLL.com domain that you know is ROI (Return On Investment) or cheap for personal use. The ugly ones aren't THAT bad & are way easier to remember than a 7 digit phone number (I read that online earlier today). If you regret buying any LLLL.com's above you'll find a post that srisri24 posted saying he'll refund anyone's reg fees instantly for their LLLL.com domain purchased / remorse.

Anyways, Long story made really short:

I have a nine year old daughter & she's begging me to create 5 websites for her - she's willing to help in the designing (yay!)!! You won;t believe it but she has rules laid out already! ALL 5 websites have to be .com's, and they can't contain any pop-ups Speed is a must also..

She wants her #1 main website to focus on her cellphone texting & emails, #2 should be about puppies and alot of pictures, #3 her own networking / socializing site (she's not allowed on myspace.com yet!), #4 will be her EBay.com auctions, and alerts / stores she likes & recommends #5 A website that she can dump her iPod music into & play the playlist or share it online with her friends. Unfortanetly, her school & teachers can't keep up with her to make this all possible.

I guess i'm raising her well! I was the same way when I was 9 years old with the BBS, an apple II, apple II+, apple IIc, IIgs, comodore, amiga, TRS80, IBM PC & I tried buying www.sears.com & www.nasa.com (which were available) but I couldn't cough up the $100 USD approx to buy it & credentials back in the 1980's via the BBS networks as registrars were developed.

It's like comparing apples to oranges. Even 60 - 80 year old grandma's nowadays have websites & are addicted to email..